Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Brock Aller is going to convert #21 and #32 into 10 2nd round draft picks and the rights to a pair of 45 year old Slovakian back up centers

He's then going to trade those pair of rights for a $5m contract that a contender wants to jettison and take a 2023 FRP in return. He'll then trade the $5m player for 2 $2.2m contracts and 2 2023 FRP and the Knicks will immediately cut the two $2.2m players.

But my question is, what happens once the Knicks and OKC corner the market in 2RP?

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[robillionaire]

nba teams are scoring more ppg now than any season since 1970 and scoring has ramped up since 2016 so I don't know if its particularly meaningful or not that he scored 24ppg especially since his team was tanking every year and every game was garbage time

[SelbyCobra]

imagine being this hungry to get colin sexton. jesus.

When’s the last time we had a rookie contract player who averaged 24 ppg!?

i'm just saying, thinking of him as some kind of savior is probably gonna lead to disappointment. because there's no proof those points help. maybe they will, maybe they won't, but nobody can really say. if there was, or if more teams even thought so, you couldn't get him for obi and a late 1st. we're kind of betting that the knicks brain trust sees something in him that almost nobody else sees.

You just described the entire player selection process in the NBA for 99.44% of its players, though - that isn't an indictment of Sexton's viability or value.

There are probably less than 10 guys in the league where you know for sure that the points he scores lead directly to winning. There are even some accepted stars that the jury's still out on in that regard. Almost every single time a team trades for a player the acquiring team is betting that they see something more, or that the production is greater/more valuable in their system than it is in the former team's. The exact same argument can be (and has been) scaled for Bradley Beal, for example. Or even James Harden.

[prophet_of_rage]

Josh Hart is an RFA. That's the guy to go get!

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[god shammgod]

When’s the last time we had a rookie contract player who averaged 24 ppg!?

i'm just saying, thinking of him as some kind of savior is probably gonna lead to disappointment. because there's no proof those points help. maybe they will, maybe they won't, but nobody can really say. if there was, or if more teams even thought so, you couldn't get him for obi and a late 1st. we're kind of betting that the knicks brain trust sees something in him that almost nobody else sees.

You just described the entire player selection process in the NBA for 99.44% of its players, though - that isn't an indictment of Sexton's viability or value.

There are probably less than 10 guys in the league where you know for sure that the points he scores lead directly to winning. There are even some accepted stars that the jury's still out on in that regard. Almost every single time a team trades for a player the acquiring team is betting that they see something more, or that the production is greater/more valuable in their system than it is in the former team's. The exact same argument can be (and has been) scaled for Bradley Beal, for example. Or even James Harden.

do you not believe in analytics at all ? because they say for sure there's more than 10 guys and they also say sexton doesn't help. could more development and a different situation change things for him ? sure. other guys have improved after year 3 and become positive players. do i think the knicks front office, seeing their recent draft history, are the guys to recognize this before everyone else ? doesn't seem likely.

p.s. i'm not even against it with a price that low. but the likelihood is it probably won't help us that much so i'm not overly excited.

[DaGawd]

i'm just saying, thinking of him as some kind of savior is probably gonna lead to disappointment. because there's no proof those points help. maybe they will, maybe they won't, but nobody can really say. if there was, or if more teams even thought so, you couldn't get him for obi and a late 1st. we're kind of betting that the knicks brain trust sees something in him that almost nobody else sees.

You just described the entire player selection process in the NBA for 99.44% of its players, though - that isn't an indictment of Sexton's viability or value.

There are probably less than 10 guys in the league where you know for sure that the points he scores lead directly to winning. There are even some accepted stars that the jury's still out on in that regard. Almost every single time a team trades for a player the acquiring team is betting that they see something more, or that the production is greater/more valuable in their system than it is in the former team's. The exact same argument can be (and has been) scaled for Bradley Beal, for example. Or even James Harden.

do you not believe in analytics at all ? because they say for sure there's more than 10 guys and they also say sexton doesn't help. could more development and a different situation change things for him ? sure. other guys have improved after year 3 and become positive players. do i think the knicks front office, seeing their recent draft history, are the guys to recognize this before everyone else ? doesn't seem likely.

p.s. i'm not even against it with a price that low. but the likelihood is it probably won't help us that much so i'm not overly excited.

I feel like you’re a fairly reasonable poster.. you don’t think under Thibs coaching this dudes value sky rockets? His game is almost tailor made for the way point guards who usually excel while coached by Thibs play

[3toheadmelo]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

[sol537]

1) Lowry @ 2-3 Years
2) Dunca Robinson @ 2-3 Years
3) Draft BPA's at 19, 21, 32
4) Retain Rose, Taj, and Frank on cheap deals

Take the next step in our rebuild. 50+ win consistent team.

Then, the year after, we go for contention status by adding "the final piece".

[DOT]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

I like him cause the proposals look like this:

Read on Twitter

Which is basically nothing to get a guy on his rookie contract for one more year to evaluate, and we'd still have max cap room next summer.

[GONYK]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

I like him cause the proposals look like this:

Read on Twitter

Which is basically nothing to get a guy on his rookie contract for one more year to evaluate, and we'd still have max cap room next summer.

Yup, the price point is the most attractive thing.

Sexton's fit and potential are all debatable. Him being potentially being cheap puts that all on the backburner.

[thebuzzardman]

nba teams are scoring more ppg now than any season since 1970 and scoring has ramped up since 2016 so I don't know if its particularly meaningful or not that he scored 24ppg especially since his team was tanking every year and every game was garbage time

Ok. Adjust him to 21 ppg.

I'd buy that for a dollar

[thebuzzardman]

Wait a minute, I don't like Sexton but his numbers are All-Star Caliber.

It's the efficiency for me.

As a pro or con?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

I like him cause the proposals look like this:

Read on Twitter

Which is basically nothing to get a guy on his rookie contract for one more year to evaluate, and we'd still have max cap room next summer.

Yup, the price point is the most attractive thing.

Sexton's fit and potential are all debatable. Him being potentially being cheap puts that all on the backburner.

That's a great deal for the Knicks imo. No idea why the Cavs would value multiple years of Noel. Sexton seems worth much more than that to me, but what do I know about the Cavs GM?

[3toheadmelo]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

I like him cause the proposals look like this:

Read on Twitter

Which is basically nothing to get a guy on his rookie contract for one more year to evaluate, and we'd still have max cap room next summer.

Yep that too. It’s basically a perfect scenario for us. Sounds too good to be true

[ITGM]

Wait a minute, I don't like Sexton but his numbers are All-Star Caliber.

It's the efficiency for me.

As a pro or con?

As a pro for sure: 24ppg on 47.5fg% is solid at the guard position.

[SelbyCobra]

do you not believe in analytics at all ?

[god shammgod]

do you not believe in analytics at all ?

[N8isScofield]

nba teams are scoring more ppg now than any season since 1970 and scoring has ramped up since 2016 so I don't know if its particularly meaningful or not that he scored 24ppg especially since his team was tanking every year and every game was garbage time

Everyone who keeps trying to detract from this kid ignores that fact that the 24ppg game at the kind of elite efficiency that compares to players like Dame and Spida. You cannot fluke what he did. He's an elite scorer, period. If anything, his efficiency should only improve on a team with more talent and better coaching. It has nothing to do with garbage time.

[god shammgod]

You just described the entire player selection process in the NBA for 99.44% of its players, though - that isn't an indictment of Sexton's viability or value.

There are probably less than 10 guys in the league where you know for sure that the points he scores lead directly to winning. There are even some accepted stars that the jury's still out on in that regard. Almost every single time a team trades for a player the acquiring team is betting that they see something more, or that the production is greater/more valuable in their system than it is in the former team's. The exact same argument can be (and has been) scaled for Bradley Beal, for example. Or even James Harden.

do you not believe in analytics at all ? because they say for sure there's more than 10 guys and they also say sexton doesn't help. could more development and a different situation change things for him ? sure. other guys have improved after year 3 and become positive players. do i think the knicks front office, seeing their recent draft history, are the guys to recognize this before everyone else ? doesn't seem likely.

p.s. i'm not even against it with a price that low. but the likelihood is it probably won't help us that much so i'm not overly excited.

I feel like you’re a fairly reasonable poster.. you don’t think under Thibs coaching this dudes value sky rockets? His game is almost tailor made for the way point guards who usually excel while coached by Thibs play

his value ? you mean in a trade ? if you trade him before you pay him. guys values always go up in winning situations. but unless he has some kind of miracle turnaround to his approach like randle did, i'd be real wary of paying him max money. and after the playoffs, it's scary enough that we might pay randle. a team with a big 3 of sexton, rj & randle sounds like a disaster to me. it really does. if they trade for sexton and the next move is to trade rj or randle for a much bigger name i'll feel a lot better. i don't know that once you pay any of those 3 guys that they become easily tradeable though so you better do it quick.

[SelbyCobra]

The main reason why we thirsty for him is cause our other options suck. I would rather take a chance on Sexton instead of overpaying Lonzo/Schroder.

I like him cause the proposals look like this:

Read on Twitter

Which is basically nothing to get a guy on his rookie contract for one more year to evaluate, and we'd still have max cap room next summer.

Yep that too. It’s basically a perfect scenario for us. Sounds too good to be true

That probably because it is. The Obi/1st/2nd/filler stuff has always seemed like internet fantasy to me, and I'm not even someone who is convinced Sexton is a "must have" in a vacuum.

At that fantasy price point though, he goes from an intriguing, LOVE his positives but concerned about his negatives guy, to a "must have" for sure.