Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

Big Brown fan but most of the time he faces single coverage while Tatum gets all the double and triple teams. so I am not sure how Brown is as a #1 option. it’s pretty close between him and Mitchell imo.

[mpharris36]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Brown has zero chance coming here...so whats the point?

[Madskillzz024]

Dolan always wants his stars that he can sell and Leon was brought in to bring in stars. There should be no doubt there is pressure on the front office to deliver. Mitchell being local and going to Rangers games I am sure has Dolans attention.

Sure fair point---BUT Ainge does have much more pressure than some fans want to admit (in hopes of getting a deal done soon). Ainge took a 50+ win team (First seed in 20/21) and teared it down with the main purpose of having a top 5 (probably top 3) in a historically loaded draft. Trading Gobert but then starting the season with a disgruntled Mitchell who plays them out of the top 5 is gonna hurt his Plan big time. The Jazz have zero intention to start the season with Mitchell. Ainge IMO has not gotten the green light to gut a 50+ win team in a small market for a bordeline top 10 pick. His plan is clear--he wants that high 2023 pick---the only way to maximize his odds at it is to trade Mitchell during the offseason. Even 2 months of steller play by Mitchell could completely destroy his plans at a top 5 pick next year. He can't walk to the Jazz owner and say: "ooops sorry I traded away a playoff team and two all-stars for the ninth pick in the upcoming draft." ----That simply ain't happening. He will trade Mitchell before the season starts---he does have pressure to deal him.

What if Ainge changes his mind and does a 180 and flips the Rudy picks for another star? Maybe JB demands a trade and Ainge moves his assets to pair JB with Mitchell. He did draft JB after all

[KnixinSix]

One thing seems pretty clear ...Lakers are involved as a potential 3rd team in Utah and Knicks talks

[F N 11]

One thing seems pretty clear ...Lakers are involved as a potential 3rd team in Utah and Knicks talks

Agreed esp since lakers want win now players.

[KnicksGadfly]

Dolan always wants his stars that he can sell and Leon was brought in to bring in stars. There should be no doubt there is pressure on the front office to deliver. Mitchell being local and going to Rangers games I am sure has Dolans attention.

Sure fair point---BUT Ainge does have much more pressure than some fans want to admit (in hopes of getting a deal done soon). Ainge took a 50+ win team (First seed in 20/21) and teared it down with the main purpose of having a top 5 (probably top 3) in a historically loaded draft. Trading Gobert but then starting the season with a disgruntled Mitchell who plays them out of the top 5 is gonna hurt his Plan big time. The Jazz have zero intention to start the season with Mitchell. Ainge IMO has not gotten the green light to gut a 50+ win team in a small market for a bordeline top 10 pick. His plan is clear--he wants that high 2023 pick---the only way to maximize his odds at it is to trade Mitchell during the offseason. Even 2 months of steller play by Mitchell could completely destroy his plans at a top 5 pick next year. He can't walk to the Jazz owner and say: "ooops sorry I traded away a playoff team and two all-stars for the ninth pick in the upcoming draft." ----That simply ain't happening. He will trade Mitchell before the season starts---he does have pressure to deal him.

What if Ainge changes his mind and does a 180 and flips the Rudy picks for another star? Maybe JB demands a trade and Ainge moves his assets to pair JB with Mitchell. He did draft JB after all

Cross that bridge when we get to it, but I'd be okay with the Knicks making a move for JB too.

[Esq-4]

One thing seems pretty clear ...Lakers are involved as a potential 3rd team in Utah and Knicks talks

Makes sense. The salaries go to LAL. The expirings (Westbrook), youth and picks to UTA, Mitchell to NYK.

[thebuzzardman]

You all who are worried that another team will come in and "steal" Donovan:

You must realize that if somehow some team finds a way to offer a package that actually competes with what we are offering, the first thing Ainge will do, is leak it so that he gets a bidding war started and drives up the price. It's not like a team will swoop in without us knowing.

And the cost of this bidding war, will only be to get us to offer what he wants right now anyway - he wants all of our picks and grimes obi and iq.

The odds that this "other team" makes a comparable offer are extremely low. So, there is no reason not to wait so that Ainge faces the reality of going into the season with Donovan - and Donovan getting upset - his tank in jeopardy.

At which point he may come down to making a trade that is closer to what he got from the wolves = 3 unprotected, 1 protected, a swap, and a young (or sub another protected).

Then I don't want Mitchell.

Can't completely empty the cupboard unless it's to compete for a title.

The Knicks don't have the assets to get someone that can near guarantee them to compete for a title.

So, back to giving a good amount of assets for Mitchell, who clearly makes them better, but not so many that there isn't some left over that they have some semblance of depth after the trade and all the picks aren't gone (just how few left depends)

[Chislic]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Brown has zero chance coming here...so whats the point?

I think NY should appear to be VERY interested in Brown to weaken the Jazz's leverage.

[mpharris36]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Brown has zero chance coming here...so whats the point?

I think NY should appear to be VERY interested in Brown to weaken the Jazz's leverage.

its not even worth that, because no one would believe we have a legit shot at Brown...the celtics who were in the finals have no interest in our package of middling young players that would barely crack there rotation or a bunch of unknown 1st round picks.

[Chislic]

Brown has zero chance coming here...so whats the point?

I think NY should appear to be VERY interested in Brown to weaken the Jazz's leverage.

its not even worth that, because no one would believe we have a legit shot at Brown...the celtics who were in the finals have no interest in our package of middling young players that would barely crack there rotation or a bunch of unknown 1st round picks.

Good point. I guess IF Brown requests a trade then it would be a different story.

[TrueWarrior]

So nothing changed much over the weekend.

The game of chicken continues.

I will echo what others have said tho, we cant insist on keeping our young guys if they’re only going to be playing 15 mpg this year.

If we arent gonna trade Julius, then Obi should be traded. He can be semi-replaced by Paschall as a backup, but the Julius/Obi thing needs to be resolved.

We gave up a 1st for Cam, so play him or trade him.

If we get Mitchell, then IQ and Grimes will never get off the bench here so they should be the first ones shipped out. Wed still have DRose, McBride, and Rokas at backup guard. Plus Mitchell and Brunson can be staggered to play with the bench a bit, and RJ can play some 2.

[Capn'O]

One thing seems pretty clear ...Lakers are involved as a potential 3rd team in Utah and Knicks talks

Agreed esp since lakers want win now players.

Westbrook may be more desirable for the Jazz than the Knicks. They'd just cut him whereas the Knicks would never. Fournier (and Rose) could help LAL too.

[thebuzzardman]

So nothing changed much over the weekend.

The game of chicken continues.

I will echo what others have said tho, we cant insist on keeping our young guys if they’re only going to be playing 15 mpg this year.

If we arent gonna trade Julius, then Obi should be traded. He can be semi-replaced by Paschall as a backup.

We gave up a 1st for Cam, so play him or trade him.

If we get Mitchell, then IQ and Grimes will never get off the bench here so they should be the first ones shipped out. Wed still have DRose, McBride, and Rokas at backup guard. Plus Mitchell and Brunson can be staggered to play with the bench a bit, and RJ can play some 2.

I'd still keep one of Grimes or IQ, for the shooting depth. Especially, in this case, that you seem to be sending Fournier out. I'd send Rose out instead.

[Capn'O]

One thing seems pretty clear ...Lakers are involved as a potential 3rd team in Utah and Knicks talks

Makes sense. The salaries go to LAL. The expirings (Westbrook), youth and picks to UTA, Mitchell to NYK.

Knicks may even gain some of the pick compensation Utah wants via LAL.

[Wildcat]

BOS Gets: Spida
NYK Gets: Brown
UTAH Gets: Fournier, Grimes and Picks from NYK & Boston

Who says no?

I do. I like Brown but the thing about Boston players is that they excel in their system and are quite average in others. Do you trust Thibs to coach similar to Ime? I don't know.

Brown is a young 2-way guy who was rumored to want out of BOS. He has winning playoff experience and has come up big on the big stage several times. Would be a nice get IMO, especially if we can't get Spida. Brown slots in nicely next to Brunson and RJ.

Brunson, RJ, Brown, Randle (or Obi), Mitch (or Hart)

...very solid, young team. Which should also leave us with more assets left over than if we get Spida.

Actually, let me rephrase. How many picks are we talking?

[DaGawd]

Big Brown fan but most of the time he faces single coverage while Tatum gets all the double and triple teams. so I am not sure how Brown is as a #1 option. it’s pretty close between him and Mitchell imo.

ignoring that fact he’s just a better fit in terms of size and defensive ability… not that we’re really in a position to choose any way

[Capn'O]

This is probably why there were reports from the credible Utah guys that there was a deal agreed on but not imminent. NYK and Utah have a version of a deal that they'll do if they have to but bringing in additional teams could better provide each party with their desired pieces without giving up some painful pieces in the process.

[Iron Mantis]

You all who are worried that another team will come in and "steal" Donovan:

You must realize that if somehow some team finds a way to offer a package that actually competes with what we are offering, the first thing Ainge will do, is leak it so that he gets a bidding war started and drives up the price. It's not like a team will swoop in without us knowing.

And the cost of this bidding war, will only be to get us to offer what he wants right now anyway - he wants all of our picks and grimes obi and iq.

The odds that this "other team" makes a comparable offer are extremely low. So, there is no reason not to wait so that Ainge faces the reality of going into the season with Donovan - and Donovan getting upset - his tank in jeopardy.

At which point he may come down to making a trade that is closer to what he got from the wolves = 3 unprotected, 1 protected, a swap, and a young (or sub another protected).

Then I don't want Mitchell.

Can't completely empty the cupboard unless it's to compete for a title.

The Knicks don't have the assets to get someone that can near guarantee them to compete for a title.

If not, then the Knicks need to build assets by developing and featuring the youth they have and stop faking jacks with negative value guys like Burks and Fournier. Value is in developing young players, period.

Not too far from now, another all-star will hit the market and the Knicks will have the assets to make a fair trade with a different team without getting a first class Ainge raping. Build the assets and be opportunistic, don't gift your entire life savings to "trader Dan" for a non-superstar.

[Jimmit79]

Until Dolan says he won't meddle we can't say the Knicks have any leverage in dealing with Ainge.