2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[HarthorneWingo]

This team needs either someone who can create offense for themselves or create offense for others off the bench. Don’t think you can go into playoffs without either of those. I like Olynyk but if you’re not getting back Sexton or Clarkson I think that second unit is gonna run into the same issues as last year. Yes you can theoretically run the offense through Olynyk, but don’t think that should be a primary objective of his role off the bench in a playoff situation.

Tyus Jones doesn’t seem like a bad option if you’re looking for playmaking. He’s a free agent this offseason so he’d be a short term option for this season only.

There are several things going on.

We don't know if the FO is in "hoard all assets besides getting OG" mode. If so, they'll make ZERO deals.

Do they want to do some small low cost deals to make any playoff round better, but they really don't care - getting a back up C for the rest of the year, some "meh" vet PG... etc

Do they want a "continuous soup" deal, where they convert Fourniers contract into a somewhat useful player for the now, but really with a trade in the offseason in mind - Brogdan and/or Murrary

Do they really value Murray?

Kind of have to trust in Aller/The collective.

Brogdan\Olynyk are "do they want to try and make some noise THIS playoffs but also help moving forward BUT, the FO might view it as not worth the assets.

Portland's not going anywhere anyhow. What do they need Brogdan for? They should take a draft pick and give him to us.

Same for Olynic in Utah. Is it Utah?

[spree2kawhi]

I might be willing to give up the Wizards Protected pick since I don't expect it to ever convey as more than 2 second round picks.

It’s not worth it though. We need to raise our ceiling before adding the complementary pieces like Olynyk and Brogdon.

The team needs to replace IQs scoring. Can they figure it out with what we have left? It looked rough after one game. The team needs to have a productive backup 4/5 as well. Achiuwa/Taj/Sims are not the answer. We solidified our starting 5(even though we lost Mitch) but, we hurt our offense and weakened our bench. We already needed the backup 4 long before we lost Mitch. The cost of the WAS pick for Olynyk? That's a great trade. Is it possible? Who knows? This is just to solidify this seasons ceiling without costing real assets.

As long as no assets are involved, okay. I mean, imagine missing out on Mitchell or who knows who because you couldn’t add a fourth middling first-rounder. I love players like Olynyk and Brogdon. It’s just that I think a major trade should be next, or as I said already, needn’t be compromised.

[Polk377]

Murray would be the perfect counter guard to go along with Brunson. He can guard the best of the 2 backcourt players and let OG handle the best wing. He would allow the Knicks to be able to stagger lineups in the 2nd and early 4th as the bench unit playmaker along with either Randle or OG out there with him while the other guys get some rest.

[spree2kawhi]

This team needs either someone who can create offense for themselves or create offense for others off the bench. Don’t think you can go into playoffs without either of those. I like Olynyk but if you’re not getting back Sexton or Clarkson I think that second unit is gonna run into the same issues as last year. Yes you can theoretically run the offense through Olynyk, but don’t think that should be a primary objective of his role off the bench in a playoff situation.

Tyus Jones doesn’t seem like a bad option if you’re looking for playmaking. He’s a free agent this offseason so he’d be a short term option for this season only.

There are several things going on.

We don't know if the FO is in "hoard all assets besides getting OG" mode. If so, they'll make ZERO deals.

Do they want to do some small low cost deals to make any playoff round better, but they really don't care - getting a back up C for the rest of the year, some "meh" vet PG... etc

Do they want a "continuous soup" deal, where they convert Fourniers contract into a somewhat useful player for the now, but really with a trade in the offseason in mind - Brogdan and/or Murrary

Do they really value Murray?

Kind of have to trust in Aller/The collective.

Brogdan\Olynyk are "do they want to try and make some noise THIS playoffs but also help moving forward BUT, the FO might view it as not worth the assets.

Portland's not going anywhere anyhow. What do they need Brogdan for? They should take a draft pick and give him to us.

Same for Olynic in Utah. Is it Utah?

Guys, why not Jerami Grant? Imagine that defensive look and roster flexibility: Brunson, OG, Grant, Randle, Mitch with DD, Hart etc. That’s bananas.

[8516knicks]

It’s not worth it though. We need to raise our ceiling before adding the complementary pieces like Olynyk and Brogdon.

I'm not sure how that trade would impact our ability to raise our ceiling as I don't think that pick would impact if a trade would happen or not.

I meant to say that the Knicks shouldn’t give away any more picks before a trade for that top level player or at least borderline all star has been made.

2044?

[cgf]

I should have clarified. I heard this on KnicksFanTV from CP and Alex.

And after iHart’s game yesterday I probably shouldn’t have even posted it.

Fair enough, just as someone who watches too much Bulls basketball, I have no interest in trying to cover up for Drummond

Lavine, Pat Williams, Caruso, Jevon Carter, or Torrey Craig could definitely help a playoff team like us. I think DDR could help a team like Brooklyn or Utah that had some shooters but lacked creators...though his refusal to shoot 3s makes him rough on a team's spacing...and I waffle on whether Vucevic could help a good team...unless maybe a return to Orlando?

But Dre is 100% an empty calories guy who's feet are just too slow to hide defensively on most nights.

Didn't the Bulls play Drummond recently and his put up big numbers? Was Vuc out or something?

Yeah Vuc went down for a week or two and Drummond produced big #s against a Philly team without Embiid & Atlanta...and he was awful against the Pacers in the other game he started...but the Bulls Defense has been successful in recent years because of their perimeter defenders being so stout at the point of attack and active as help defenders, not their rim protection.

Even after Lonzo went down Caruso & Patrick Williams are elite perimeter defenders; like IQ, Coby White's become a really good defender; Jevon Carter is a very good defender off the bench; Craig can still put in a solid shift when he's health; neither DDR nor Lavine is awful...though neither one is good...and their scheme is kinda built around not asking much of their centers other than to stand next to the rim and wait while everyone else runs around.

[8516knicks]

There are several things going on.

We don't know if the FO is in "hoard all assets besides getting OG" mode. If so, they'll make ZERO deals.

Do they want to do some small low cost deals to make any playoff round better, but they really don't care - getting a back up C for the rest of the year, some "meh" vet PG... etc

Do they want a "continuous soup" deal, where they convert Fourniers contract into a somewhat useful player for the now, but really with a trade in the offseason in mind - Brogdan and/or Murrary

Do they really value Murray?

Kind of have to trust in Aller/The collective.

Brogdan\Olynyk are "do they want to try and make some noise THIS playoffs but also help moving forward BUT, the FO might view it as not worth the assets.

Portland's not going anywhere anyhow. What do they need Brogdan for? They should take a draft pick and give him to us.

Same for Olynic in Utah. Is it Utah?

Guys, why not Jerami Grant? Imagine that defensive look and roster flexibility: Brunson, OG, Grant, Randle, Mitch with DD, Hart etc. That’s bananas.

Fess up; you are Jerami Grant's agent, aren't you?

[cgf]

Grimes
Fournier
Mavs 1st
Obi TPE

for

Colin Sexton
Kelly O

Jazz seemed to like Grimes last year and currently have no 2024 1sts

We get the IQ replacement/ball handler of the bench spark and add a big who can stretch the floor a bit. Sexton has been lauded as a good defender in the past. He's not as good nor does he have the potential of IQ imo but Thibs would like his mentality on defense.

Brunson/Sexton
Donte/Sexton
OG/Hart
Randle/OG/Precious
Hartenstein/Kelly O


I think this team can make an ECF run if things go right then look to Go big game hunting again next season with the remaining picks and swaps plus Sexton or Randle + Mitch to secure the true Star.

Wishful thinking maybe but hey

This is… pretty nice. Either that or a play for Brogdon makes sense. Olynyk and Sexton would make our bench devastating. Ainge is probably going to help Boston over us by sending them Olynyk.

Jazz fans were actually cool with just Fournier + WSH FRP + SRP for Olnyk + our choice of Sexton or Clarkson. No need to include Grimes or that Dallas FRP.

[cgf]

New York in - Olynyk, Dunn
Utah in - Fournier, Sims, Utah Second Round Pick

Olynyk would add some scoring to the bench while spacing the floor and he is an excellent passer. He is averaging 5 assists in 22 minutes this year. I think we have enough good defenders to mask some of his limitations as a rim protector. Personally I think we should swap Grimes back into the starting lineup and bring DDV back to the bench. I think Grimes would perform better this time with more ball movement, more touches and more shots available. He would also benefit from not being asked to guard the toughest perimeter matchup this time no matter the size. DDV would provide a more experienced on ball player in comparison to Grimes and McBride. I also think DDV and Olynyk would be a great pairing offensively off the bench. Olynyk is excellent at hitting the cutter and he could help facilitate the offense. Olynyk would also reduce Precious' role allowing him to be used more situationally for defensive purposes.

Dunn would provide extra guard depth as a more experienced ball handler with good point of attack defense. He has posted solid shooting numbers over the last couple seasons in Utah and most importantly he would be someone that would probably be more content in the limited role available behind Brunson than some of the other names mentioned. We would not be forced back into a situation where we are struggling to find minutes and touches for a bunch of small guards that are used to playing 25-30+ minutes a game. Unfortunately he seems to have been moved into the starting line-up although it is in a limited role but Ainge may use that as a reason to raise his price.

It's not a sexy trade but I do believe it would improve our bench without costing much or committing long term to questionable fits. A top 8 of Brunson,Grimes, OG, Randle, iHart, DDV, Hart, and Olynyk with Dunn, McBride and Precious as your end of rotation guys is fine imo. The roster could be re-evaluated in the offseason and they can attempt to fill in whatever holes they see and they would still have maintained all of their draft capital for a bigger piece if necessary.

Olynyk will cost a 1st round pick, if even available

Nah, he'll cost a SRP or two. Sexton/Clarkson would cost another 2-3 SRPs. So Jazz fans seem to think that the WSH FRP that's likely to become 2 SRPs + the UTA/MIA SRP we have this year, would be plenty to flip Fournier for Olnyk + Sexton/Clarkson

[cgf]

Hard pass. Deuce would be a better rim protector than Drummond.

I should have clarified. I heard this on KnicksFanTV from CP and Alex.

And after iHart’s game yesterday I probably shouldn’t have even posted it.

Getting Drummond for cheap is just to back up iShart for rest of this year. Would have to be low cost, if no better options available

I'd rather give those minutes to Jericho Sims.

[cgf]

It’s not worth it though. We need to raise our ceiling before adding the complementary pieces like Olynyk and Brogdon.

I'm not sure how that trade would impact our ability to raise our ceiling as I don't think that pick would impact if a trade would happen or not.

I meant to say that the Knicks shouldn’t give away any more picks before a trade for that top level player or at least borderline all star has been made.

They shouldn't give up Grimes or any unprotected future FRPs, because those are what we'll need to trade for an MVP caliber guy. But our protected FRPs & pick this year won't impact our ability to land a title caliber #1.

[G_K_F]

Let’s get Rozier.

[BKlutch]

Anybody think of watching how Deuce and Grimes do without RJ for a couple of weeks before making a trade that could make it harder to get our final piece?

[cgf]

Murray would be the perfect counter guard to go along with Brunson. He can guard the best of the 2 backcourt players and let OG handle the best wing. He would allow the Knicks to be able to stagger lineups in the 2nd and early 4th as the bench unit playmaker along with either Randle or OG out there with him while the other guys get some rest.

I just don't see it. Murray has been a bad defender for 3 years now and he scores as efficiently as RJ.

[cgf]

Anybody think of watching how Deuce and Grimes do without RJ for a couple of weeks before making a trade that could make it harder to get our final piece?

The only people arguing we give up anything we'd need for our final piece are the people asking for Murray...but yeah, we have a month before the deadline. None of these trades have to happen right this second.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It’s not worth it though. We need to raise our ceiling before adding the complementary pieces like Olynyk and Brogdon.

The team needs to replace IQs scoring. Can they figure it out with what we have left? It looked rough after one game. The team needs to have a productive backup 4/5 as well. Achiuwa/Taj/Sims are not the answer. We solidified our starting 5(even though we lost Mitch) but, we hurt our offense and weakened our bench. We already needed the backup 4 long before we lost Mitch. The cost of the WAS pick for Olynyk? That's a great trade. Is it possible? Who knows? This is just to solidify this seasons ceiling without costing real assets.

As long as no assets are involved, okay. I mean, imagine missing out on Mitchell or who knows who because you couldn’t add a fourth middling first-rounder. I love players like Olynyk and Brogdon. It’s just that I think a major trade should be next, or as I said already, needn’t be compromised.

You gotta pay to play. Our own picks extend out every year. We could deal one this year(and use DAL pick if we want to draft someone) to help out and then re-up it next year. No star trade is on the horizon before then anyway. If we don't solve our bench/backup big issues the OG trade(and Mitch injury) has caused, we will not get very far this season.

I'm not looking to break open the piggy jar but, we can't be pinching pennies right now either. IMO the team is weaker now for this season and, they can afford to make a smaller level deal or two to fix it without hurting the asset base.

[Chanel Bomber]

The team needs to replace IQs scoring. Can they figure it out with what we have left? It looked rough after one game. The team needs to have a productive backup 4/5 as well. Achiuwa/Taj/Sims are not the answer. We solidified our starting 5(even though we lost Mitch) but, we hurt our offense and weakened our bench. We already needed the backup 4 long before we lost Mitch. The cost of the WAS pick for Olynyk? That's a great trade. Is it possible? Who knows? This is just to solidify this seasons ceiling without costing real assets.

As long as no assets are involved, okay. I mean, imagine missing out on Mitchell or who knows who because you couldn’t add a fourth middling first-rounder. I love players like Olynyk and Brogdon. It’s just that I think a major trade should be next, or as I said already, needn’t be compromised.

You gotta pay to play. Our own picks extend out every year. We could deal one this year(and use DAL pick if we want to draft someone) to help out and then re-up it next year. No star trade is on the horizon before then anyway. If we don't solve our bench/backup big issues the OG trade(and Mitch injury) has caused, we will not get very far this season.

I'm not looking to break open the piggy jar but, we can't be pinching pennies right now either. IMO the team is weaker now for this season and, they can afford to make a smaller level deal or two to fix it without hurting the asset base.

Who would you trade the 2024 first for to improve the team? Genuinely curious. Can't remember if it was you who mentioned Brogdon.

[thebuzzardman]

This team needs either someone who can create offense for themselves or create offense for others off the bench. Don’t think you can go into playoffs without either of those. I like Olynyk but if you’re not getting back Sexton or Clarkson I think that second unit is gonna run into the same issues as last year. Yes you can theoretically run the offense through Olynyk, but don’t think that should be a primary objective of his role off the bench in a playoff situation.

Tyus Jones doesn’t seem like a bad option if you’re looking for playmaking. He’s a free agent this offseason so he’d be a short term option for this season only.

There are several things going on.

We don't know if the FO is in "hoard all assets besides getting OG" mode. If so, they'll make ZERO deals.

Do they want to do some small low cost deals to make any playoff round better, but they really don't care - getting a back up C for the rest of the year, some "meh" vet PG... etc

Do they want a "continuous soup" deal, where they convert Fourniers contract into a somewhat useful player for the now, but really with a trade in the offseason in mind - Brogdan and/or Murrary

Do they really value Murray?

Kind of have to trust in Aller/The collective.

Brogdan\Olynyk are "do they want to try and make some noise THIS playoffs but also help moving forward BUT, the FO might view it as not worth the assets.

Portland's not going anywhere anyhow. What do they need Brogdan for? They should take a draft pick and give him to us.

Same for Olynic in Utah. Is it Utah?

Yes, Utah. I think Olynyk is an Ainge favorite though

[thebuzzardman]

I should have clarified. I heard this on KnicksFanTV from CP and Alex.

And after iHart’s game yesterday I probably shouldn’t have even posted it.

Getting Drummond for cheap is just to back up iShart for rest of this year. Would have to be low cost, if no better options available

I'd rather give those minutes to Jericho Sims.

Simms kind of sucks

[Polk377]

Murray would be the perfect counter guard to go along with Brunson. He can guard the best of the 2 backcourt players and let OG handle the best wing. He would allow the Knicks to be able to stagger lineups in the 2nd and early 4th as the bench unit playmaker along with either Randle or OG out there with him while the other guys get some rest.

I just don't see it. Murray has been a bad defender for 3 years now and he scores as efficiently as RJ.

Murray is surrounded by bad defenders in Atlanta. He shoots the ball decently from 3 and over 50% from 3-10 feet in. Thibs doesn't want his guys shooting mid range shots anyway. Think of him as more of an IQ replacement that you can start because of his size.