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Re: Around The NBA - Regular Season version (Harden traded...now what?) 

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Post#1822 » by dakomish23 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 3:21 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.


Always wanted the first round to at least be best of 5 like the old days, if not best of 3. First round of the playoffs is generally boring except for the 4/5 matchup and maybe the 3/6.

My ideal playoffs would be best of 3, then best of 5, then best of 7 and best of 7.


I have to be wrong about this but I remember someone telling me the reason they went away from the best of 5 cuz too many upsets were happened. Making things more predictable just seems counter intuitive.


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Post#1823 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Dec 5, 2023 3:23 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.

I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


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Chanel Bomber wrote:I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


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the knicks dominating a midseason tournament that brings about the demise of the nba sounds pretty amazing, tbh.
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Post#1827 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:10 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.

I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


I totally disagree. The way bigger issue is the continued devalue of the regular season. The rating distance with the nfl is growing even worse and they need a real pitch to the networks to keep growing the league. Judging how the nba leads in social impression means that nba fans don’t even like watching the nba. Have to spice it up somehow.

I’m sure they first pitched the champions league, some people thought it devalue their countries league but Naples went wild when Napoli won the Scudetto last year. That’s not even the only tournament they do in European soccer either. This just doesn’t have the prestige of those yet.
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Post#1828 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:31 am

Zions defensive effort is horrible :lol: you're basically always 1 dribble away from an open shot when he closes out on you, no such thing as second effort from him.
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Post#1829 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:42 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.

I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


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:lol: exactly. It's saving the regular season. Everyone knows it's not the playoffs. They should do two. And ditch all star weekend.
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Post#1830 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:48 am

There was a lot of rumors we wanted to draft trey Murphy. It’s a real bummer that the pelicans beat us to him.
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Post#1832 » by Galvationknicks » Tue Dec 5, 2023 5:35 am

1 step closer to getting tickets to Vegas in NBA app thing.

I got Lakers winning tomorrow and then they lose to pelicans

We beat bucks and pacers and win the tournament against the pelicans
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Post#1835 » by Spot31 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 7:08 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.

I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


I LOVE the 82 regular season Knick games and watch every minute of it, never get bored. Definitely don't need a pointless tournament to peak my interest in the NBA. If the Knicks were to win it, yay whatever, but I'm looking forward to seeing Knicks basketball in late May early June. Also I don't need Dolan increasing season ticket prices if they win the in-season tournament.
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Post#1837 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Dec 5, 2023 12:53 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I said this on the GB. The midseason tourney becomes instant fan favorite if a non title contending team wins it. Having an anything can happen element makes anything more exciting. That can be an issue in the nba cuz too often the team that's supposed to win at the beginning of the year wins the title. Let’s hope the kings or the pelicans make a run out of the west.

I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


I totally disagree. The way bigger issue is the continued devalue of the regular season. The rating distance with the nfl is growing even worse and they need a real pitch to the networks to keep growing the league. Judging how the nba leads in social impression means that nba fans don’t even like watching the nba. Have to spice it up somehow.

I’m sure they first pitched the champions league, some people thought it devalue their countries league but Naples went wild when Napoli won the Scudetto last year. That’s not even the only tournament they do in European soccer either. This just doesn’t have the prestige of those yet.

It's a flawed analogy because these different European competitions are among different leagues (either across countries or across domestic divisions) that convene teams that would not normally have the opportunity to face eachother within their domestic league. The NBA, on the other hand, is a closed circuit. The NBA tournament makes 0 conceptual sense besides as a cash grab that is devoid of meaning.

The biggest problems are the officiating, the amount of stoppage of play and the way foreign players are covered (the disconnect between a league that is used as a soft power tool and its best players being international).

This tournament will backfire in the long run. It will enhance the RS but diminish the playoffs. I think it's a strategic calamity long term.
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Post#1839 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:29 pm

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Always wanted the first round to at least be best of 5 like the old days, if not best of 3. First round of the playoffs is generally boring except for the 4/5 matchup and maybe the 3/6.

My ideal playoffs would be best of 3, then best of 5, then best of 7 and best of 7.


I have to be wrong about this but I remember someone telling me the reason they went away from the best of 5 cuz too many upsets were happened. Making things more predictable just seems counter intuitive.


I thought it was ticket sales?


Maybe I’m confusing the best of 5 series with the 2-3-2 format that the best of 7 series used to be in? That would probably give the lower seed an even bigger advantage than just playing 5 games?
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Post#1840 » by j4remi » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:59 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I think this is awful and counterproductive in the long run because it diminishes the NBA's most valuable asset (the NBA championship). Its value comes from its scarcity. The cup removes this element of scarcity.

If the Knicks win the tournament, James Dolan will sell it as a meaningful achievement because it puts less pressure on them to actually win a championship. Which is what we should want, as fans. This applies to most NBA franchises but especially to non-title favorites.

I think this tournament is a disaster that will cost us fans and the NBA in the long run. I'll go as far as to say that if the NBA were to crumble in years to come, this will likely be remembered as the starting point.


I totally disagree. The way bigger issue is the continued devalue of the regular season. The rating distance with the nfl is growing even worse and they need a real pitch to the networks to keep growing the league. Judging how the nba leads in social impression means that nba fans don’t even like watching the nba. Have to spice it up somehow.

I’m sure they first pitched the champions league, some people thought it devalue their countries league but Naples went wild when Napoli won the Scudetto last year. That’s not even the only tournament they do in European soccer either. This just doesn’t have the prestige of those yet.

It's a flawed analogy because these different European competitions are among different leagues (either across countries or across domestic divisions) that convene teams that would not normally have the opportunity to face eachother within their domestic league. The NBA, on the other hand, is a closed circuit. The NBA tournament makes 0 conceptual sense besides as a cash grab that is devoid of meaning.

The biggest problems are the officiating, the amount of stoppage of play and the way foreign players are covered (the disconnect between a league that is used as a soft power tool and its best players being international).

This tournament will backfire in the long run. It will enhance the RS but diminish the playoffs. I think it's a strategic calamity long term.


UEFA fans aren't fooled by the tournaments into devaluing the League championships just because their teams won a FA Cup. I don't think NBA fans would devalue the NBA Championship either. Winning the FA Cup is an achievement, and middling teams that can't afford to compete with the Man City's of the world do get to provide their fanbases with something to celebrate, but my favorite team has won the most FA Cups in history and the only thing the fanbase values out of it is a guaranteed slot in the Champion's League (since we haven't always been guaranteed to finish top-4) and the revenue increase that comes with a few more meaningful games.

I think the IST is flawed on this rollout, but it's a cool idea and something they can try to tweak for better results. I think it could be cool if they removed the regular season W/L implications, and expanded rosters for the IST games. The idea would be that teams can send in developmental guys from the end of the bench and G-League guys that have played well, and put them into bigger arenas (plus the 500K payout is way more meaningful for a G-Leaguer than a max contract player). But that comes with its own set of risks, particularly whether the second-units would command enough attention to warrant it.

But regardless, I wouldn't stress about IST taking away glory from the NBA Championship. The IST can work, but it'll take time to iron out the best approach.
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