2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I was thinking....
Is there a team we could trade Tim to on some KG/Pierce to BK stuff where we end up with a future pick that turns to gold? Like taking a chance that Detroit goes in the crapper, trading Tim and Trey for Jon Leuer, Luke Kenard and their 2020 first round pick?
SVG is gonna be feening this summer if he’s retained.

He’s gonna be desperate to find some wings and guards to put around Blake and Andre. I’m sure he’ll kick the tires on Fournier, Barton, Harris, Isaiah Thomas and every other possibly available twenty point a game type guy. When they all come up too expensive, boom.

The Michigan boys coming home. Daddy Tim already there. We look crazy to give up on two of our better “young” players for a draft pick we don’t see for two years. And a Luke.

I want to see us thinking a little more outside the box.
If we gonna rebuild let’s not halfazz it. Get rid of Tim.
Let the others (Lee and Noah) expire if you can’t get back shorter deals and picks/young players. The KP injury can turn out to be a blessing in disguise as there’s no urgency to contend. Just develop. And that way when we are in year three of this and likely better than a bottom feeder (if even not by much) we can kinda outsource the build. We can improve on the court while that fragile Detroit team is old and in caphell.
We reap the benefit in the long term.

[KnickFan33]

I was thinking....
Is there a team we could trade Tim to on some KG/Pierce to BK stuff where we end up with a future pick that turns to gold? Like taking a chance that Detroit goes in the crapper, trading Tim and Trey for Jon Leuer, Luke Kenard and their 2020 first round pick?
SVG is gonna be feening this summer if he’s retained.

He’s gonna be desperate to find some wings and guards to put around Blake and Andre. I’m sure he’ll kick the tires on Fournier, Barton, Harris, Isaiah Thomas and every other possibly available twenty point a game type guy. When they all come up too expensive, boom.

The Michigan boys coming home. Daddy Tim already there. We look crazy to give up on two of our better “young” players for a draft pick we don’t see for two years. And a Luke.

I want to see us thinking a little more outside the box.
If we gonna rebuild let’s not halfazz it. Get rid of Tim.
Let the others (Lee and Noah) expire if you can’t get back shorter deals and picks/young players. The KP injury can turn out to be a blessing in disguise as there’s no urgency to contend. Just develop. And that way when we are in year three of this and likely better than a bottom feeder (if even not by much) we can kinda outsource the build. We can improve on the court while that fragile Detroit team is old and in caphell.
We reap the benefit in the long term.

I don't think there are any teams that would be willing to pull off a similar move to what the Nets did for Pierce and KG. Putting that aside, I don't think Tim is seen as having as much value as either Pierce nor KG at the time of that trade, chances are we'd have to take on a worse contract to get a first. Though I could be mistaken.

[KnickFan33]

What are thoughts on maybe signing Tony Parker (if he's willing) for a year to mentor Frank and Trae? Don't see how it would hurt as long as he's playing limited minutes.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

What are thoughts on maybe signing Tony Parker (if he's willing) for a year to mentor Frank and Trae? Don't see how it would hurt as long as he's playing limited minutes.

LeJaret Jacques?
I wouldn’t hate it as long as he’s the third string guy from day one.

[Garbagelo]

I can't believe people still want to trade for mercenaries.

I can't believe people still want to trade 1st round picks.

Doesn't get any dumber.

[Marty McFly]

Tim is Mills’ project. There’s just no way he’s going to allow Perry to move him, and If Bud comes on, it becomes even less likely.

[Marty McFly]

What are thoughts on maybe signing Tony Parker (if he's willing) for a year to mentor Frank and Trae? Don't see how it would hurt as long as he's playing limited minutes.

I think the Knicks need to steer clear of championship winning pg’s whove **** teammates girlfriends.

[br7knicks]

Have we discussed Gallo for Hardaway yet?

Because that would clear up a lot. Saves a year of salary and cuts into our forward needs so we can punt on that position in the draft if there's a guy we like better or put less immediate pressure on whoever we pick. Clippers might consider it because they're forward heavy and don't have their pick next year. They need healthy bodies.



We'd need additional moves but on its face I'd do it.

i don't think clippers would do that move without some sort of compensation, like draft picks.

I proposed this trade not to long ago.
THJ + 9th
Galo + 12th/13th

Grab Miles Bridges and Smith or even Sexton/Knox
Trade Lee for a second rd.
Let Kanter go but resign K.O
Grab Devonte Graham with our sec rd.
If we could get a player like Nerlins Noel for cheap than role with it
If Beasley comes cheap than I don't mind having him back

Frank/Burke/Graham
Smith/Dotson
Bridges/Thomas/T.Will
Galo/Beasley/Hicks
Noel/K.O/Kormet (KP)

That would be my dream come true. Great defensive team with a lot of athleticism. Youth movement in place!

I liked Noel when he came in. Now, I'd rather have me at center, and I'm 5'9 and a year removed from knee surgery

[King Ken]

Please note, the trade below is wonky. I think my minimum roster spots numbers are off but that's neither here or there. The likelyhood isn't slim but there is a lot of what ifs that would have to go the Knicks way for this to work. I'll let you be the judge:

Knicks has this as their current personnel.

6 Kristaps Porzingis
1 Emmanuel Mudiay
9 Kyle O'Quinn
00 Enes Kanter
13 Joakim Noah
5 Courtney Lee
42 Lance Thomas
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
31 Ron Baker
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley
55 Jarrett Jack
2 Luke Kornet (TW)
4 Isaiah Hicks (TW)
23 Trey Burke
0 Troy Williams

This is a middle of the pack roster. One star who is a borderline superstar and under 23 yo. You have some decent contracts (Hardaway Jr, Lee, and O'Quinn. Rookie contracts in Frank, KP, and a number of guys. Cheap contracts like Beasley, Burke, and Williams. Terrible contracts like Noah and Thomas.

Cap shape- Good. They have 3 million in cap space with Jack and Beasley is FAs.

How can this middle of the pack roster upgrade into the best in the East. Here is how:

They have to remove the bad contracts while improving.

Add a superstar.

If KP is traded, it must be for a superstar or a similar prospect like Giannis, Embiid, or Towns.

This tends to be the case for a lot of teams. Why the hell is NY even thinking this is possible?

Coach Bud is an excellent coach with a system that has been proven to work. If everyone on this roster is healthy. This team is a 6th to 8th seed. He is also attractive to FA prospects.

The NY media market is extremely attractive. Not just for endorsements but it's also attractive for stupid hype. Especially for Basketball. This could be attractive to brand based athletes.

So with that said, LeBron would have lurkwarm interest in NY as they stand if everyone is healthy. Maybe more than Cleveland and Philly but less than Houston and LAL.

How do they get the superstar and how is Bud a difference maker then?

For Kawhi Leonard.

Kawhi circle wants him with the Lakers or the Knicks. They want him in a major media market but the Spurs dont have interest in getting anything less than a young star for Leonard. Guess what the Knicks have. You got it, a young star. Now most NBA teams will never trade their young star for Leonard. Why would the Knicks? Are they stupid? Partly, they are. But it's also could be them not believing in the upcoming draft classes and maybe the Knicks having questions on KPs long term health even if they are agree KP is a special talent and a superstar potential player.

The trade for Leonard has to be strong but beneficial to the Knicks as one poor player move would kill the Knicks flexibility to get a max player.

Trade 1: Knicks get Ron Baker to opt in which he was going to do anyway, Courtney Lee, and KP to SAS for Kawhi Leonard to NYK.

This clears 1.8 million from the Knicks giving them. Gives them 4.8 million.

The other big move is another easy move that's highly likely. O'Quinn which says he will opt out, leaves NY for a contender like GS. This clears up critical cap space. This would give NY 8.8 million in cap space. O'Quinn also has to opt out or be traded for cap space but word is O'Quinn is opting out anyway.

The Knicks have to clear major space to get around 35.5 million needed for LeBron James.

They have two terrible contracts and still lack the depth at the center position now that O'Quinn is leaving and Noah wants out of NY. How can do solve and who can give NY what they want and take bad deals.

This is where my Hawks arrive. Hawks wants bad contracts and they want top 10 picks.

Hawks trade: Gets Dedmon to opt in, 33rd pick for Mudiay, Noah, Lance Thomas and the 9th pick.

This clears 22.2 million for the Knicks. Gives them 31 million in cap space and they have 4 minimum roster spots to fill.

They are are still short 4.5 mil for LeBron while needing 7.5 million in total cap space.

This is critical. They must get Enes Kanter to opt out and get him to start his contract around the 11 million dollar range. This is the only way LeBron is possible and this gives the Knicks minimum cap space for roster spots and a max contract spot for a player with 10+ years in the NBA.

This new roster will shape like

23 LeBron James
14 Dwayne Dedmon
00 Enes Kanter
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley (cap hold)
55 Jarrett Jack (cap hold)
2 Kawhi Leonard
33 Trey Burke
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
(Open spot)

The Knicks will have two 2nd rounders as well as 3 open slots with the MMLE. The Knicks lineup will be: 

Frank/Burke/Jack
Cheap good vet FA/Hardaway Jr/Dotson
Leonard/vet/2nd rounder
LeBron/cheap fa vet/Beasley
Dedmon/Kanter/2nd rounder

Gives the Knicks a great bench, great starting five, a lot of shooting, two elite two way forwards in James and Kawhi and great defense in the starting five. Add coach Bud system and this is the best team in the East and best team in the NBA.

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[Metta World WAR]

Please note, the trade below is wonky. I think my minimum roster spots numbers are off but that's neither here or there. The likelyhood isn't slim but there is a lot of what ifs that would have to go the Knicks way for this to work. I'll let you be the judge:

Knicks has this as their current personnel.

6 Kristaps Porzingis
1 Emmanuel Mudiay
9 Kyle O'Quinn
00 Enes Kanter
13 Joakim Noah
5 Courtney Lee
42 Lance Thomas
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
31 Ron Baker
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley
55 Jarrett Jack
2 Luke Kornet (TW)
4 Isaiah Hicks (TW)
23 Trey Burke
0 Troy Williams

This is a middle of the pack roster. One star who is a borderline superstar and under 23 yo. You have some decent contracts (Hardaway Jr, Lee, and O'Quinn. Rookie contracts in Frank, KP, and a number of guys. Cheap contracts like Beasley, Burke, and Williams. Terrible contracts like Noah and Thomas.

Cap shape- Good. They have 3 million in cap space with Jack and Beasley is FAs.

How can this middle of the pack roster upgrade into the best in the East. Here is how:

They have to remove the bad contracts while improving.

Add a superstar.

If KP is traded, it must be for a superstar or a similar prospect like Giannis, Embiid, or Towns.

This tends to be the case for a lot of teams. Why the hell is NY even thinking this is possible?

Coach Bud is an excellent coach with a system that has been proven to work. If everyone on this roster is healthy. This team is a 6th to 8th seed. He is also attractive to FA prospects.

The NY media market is extremely attractive. Not just for endorsements but it's also attractive for stupid hype. Especially for Basketball. This could be attractive to brand based athletes.

So with that said, LeBron would have lurkwarm interest in NY as they stand if everyone is healthy. Maybe more than Cleveland and Philly but less than Houston and LAL.

How do they get the superstar and how is Bud a difference maker then?

For Kawhi Leonard.

Kawhi circle wants him with the Lakers or the Knicks. They want him in a major media market but the Spurs dont have interest in getting anything less than a young star for Leonard. Guess what the Knicks have. You got it, a young star. Now most NBA teams will never trade their young star for Leonard. Why would the Knicks? Are they stupid? Partly, they are. But it's also could be them not believing in the upcoming draft classes and maybe the Knicks having questions on KPs long term health even if they are agree KP is a special talent and a superstar potential player.

The trade for Leonard has to be strong but beneficial to the Knicks as one poor player move would kill the Knicks flexibility to get a max player.

Trade 1: Knicks get Ron Baker to opt in which he was going to do anyway, Courtney Lee, and KP to SAS for Kawhi Leonard to NYK.

This clears 1.8 million from the Knicks giving them. Gives them 4.8 million.

The other big move is another easy move that's highly likely. O'Quinn which says he will opt out, leaves NY for a contender like GS. This clears up critical cap space. This would give NY 8.8 million in cap space. O'Quinn also has to opt out or be traded for cap space but word is O'Quinn is opting out anyway.

The Knicks have to clear major space to get around 35.5 million needed for LeBron James.

They have two terrible contracts and still lack the depth at the center position now that O'Quinn is leaving and Noah wants out of NY. How can do solve and who can give NY what they want and take bad deals.

This is where my Hawks arrive. Hawks wants bad contracts and they want top 10 picks.

Hawks trade: Gets Dedmon to opt in, 33rd pick for Mudiay, Noah, Lance Thomas and the 9th pick.

This clears 22.2 million for the Knicks. Gives them 31 million in cap space and they have 4 minimum roster spots to fill.

They are are still short 4.5 mil for LeBron while needing 7.5 million in total cap space.

This is critical. They must get Enes Kanter to opt out and get him to start his contract around the 11 million dollar range. This is the only way LeBron is possible and this gives the Knicks minimum cap space for roster spots and a max contract spot for a player with 10+ years in the NBA.

This new roster will shape like

23 LeBron James
14 Dwayne Dedmon
00 Enes Kanter
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley (cap hold)
55 Jarrett Jack (cap hold)
2 Kawhi Leonard
33 Trey Burke
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
(Open spot)

The Knicks will have two 2nd rounders as well as 3 open slots with the MMLE. The Knicks lineup will be: 

Frank/Burke/Jack
Cheap good vet FA/Hardaway Jr/Dotson
Leonard/vet/2nd rounder
LeBron/cheap fa vet/Beasley
Dedmon/Kanter/2nd rounder

Gives the Knicks a great bench, great starting five, a lot of shooting, two elite two way forwards in James and Kawhi and great defense in the starting five. Add coach Bud system and this is the best team in the East and best team in the NBA.

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No.

[jullybully21]

If Kanter and O'Quinn opt out, would anyone take the chance signing Jabari Parker to a contract(around 15 mil) if we get a coach like Bud? I think Bud would bring out the best in Jabari teaching him defense and putting him in the best spots to score; the thing is I struggle with Parker's past injury history and is it worth the gamble.

[Phish Tank]

say no to Kawhi.

[bleedblue3303]

Please note, the trade below is wonky. I think my minimum roster spots numbers are off but that's neither here or there. The likelyhood isn't slim but there is a lot of what ifs that would have to go the Knicks way for this to work. I'll let you be the judge:

Knicks has this as their current personnel.

6 Kristaps Porzingis
1 Emmanuel Mudiay
9 Kyle O'Quinn
00 Enes Kanter
13 Joakim Noah
5 Courtney Lee
42 Lance Thomas
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
31 Ron Baker
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley
55 Jarrett Jack
2 Luke Kornet (TW)
4 Isaiah Hicks (TW)
23 Trey Burke
0 Troy Williams

This is a middle of the pack roster. One star who is a borderline superstar and under 23 yo. You have some decent contracts (Hardaway Jr, Lee, and O'Quinn. Rookie contracts in Frank, KP, and a number of guys. Cheap contracts like Beasley, Burke, and Williams. Terrible contracts like Noah and Thomas.

Cap shape- Good. They have 3 million in cap space with Jack and Beasley is FAs.

How can this middle of the pack roster upgrade into the best in the East. Here is how:

They have to remove the bad contracts while improving.

Add a superstar.

If KP is traded, it must be for a superstar or a similar prospect like Giannis, Embiid, or Towns.

This tends to be the case for a lot of teams. Why the hell is NY even thinking this is possible?

Coach Bud is an excellent coach with a system that has been proven to work. If everyone on this roster is healthy. This team is a 6th to 8th seed. He is also attractive to FA prospects.

The NY media market is extremely attractive. Not just for endorsements but it's also attractive for stupid hype. Especially for Basketball. This could be attractive to brand based athletes.

So with that said, LeBron would have lurkwarm interest in NY as they stand if everyone is healthy. Maybe more than Cleveland and Philly but less than Houston and LAL.

How do they get the superstar and how is Bud a difference maker then?

For Kawhi Leonard.

Kawhi circle wants him with the Lakers or the Knicks. They want him in a major media market but the Spurs dont have interest in getting anything less than a young star for Leonard. Guess what the Knicks have. You got it, a young star. Now most NBA teams will never trade their young star for Leonard. Why would the Knicks? Are they stupid? Partly, they are. But it's also could be them not believing in the upcoming draft classes and maybe the Knicks having questions on KPs long term health even if they are agree KP is a special talent and a superstar potential player.

The trade for Leonard has to be strong but beneficial to the Knicks as one poor player move would kill the Knicks flexibility to get a max player.

Trade 1: Knicks get Ron Baker to opt in which he was going to do anyway, Courtney Lee, and KP to SAS for Kawhi Leonard to NYK.

This clears 1.8 million from the Knicks giving them. Gives them 4.8 million.

The other big move is another easy move that's highly likely. O'Quinn which says he will opt out, leaves NY for a contender like GS. This clears up critical cap space. This would give NY 8.8 million in cap space. O'Quinn also has to opt out or be traded for cap space but word is O'Quinn is opting out anyway.

The Knicks have to clear major space to get around 35.5 million needed for LeBron James.

They have two terrible contracts and still lack the depth at the center position now that O'Quinn is leaving and Noah wants out of NY. How can do solve and who can give NY what they want and take bad deals.

This is where my Hawks arrive. Hawks wants bad contracts and they want top 10 picks.

Hawks trade: Gets Dedmon to opt in, 33rd pick for Mudiay, Noah, Lance Thomas and the 9th pick.

This clears 22.2 million for the Knicks. Gives them 31 million in cap space and they have 4 minimum roster spots to fill.

They are are still short 4.5 mil for LeBron while needing 7.5 million in total cap space.

This is critical. They must get Enes Kanter to opt out and get him to start his contract around the 11 million dollar range. This is the only way LeBron is possible and this gives the Knicks minimum cap space for roster spots and a max contract spot for a player with 10+ years in the NBA.

This new roster will shape like

23 LeBron James
14 Dwayne Dedmon
00 Enes Kanter
11 Frank Ntilikina
3 Tim Hardaway
21 Damyean Dotson
8 Michael Beasley (cap hold)
55 Jarrett Jack (cap hold)
2 Kawhi Leonard
33 Trey Burke
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
Roster Hold
(Open spot)

The Knicks will have two 2nd rounders as well as 3 open slots with the MMLE. The Knicks lineup will be: 

Frank/Burke/Jack
Cheap good vet FA/Hardaway Jr/Dotson
Leonard/vet/2nd rounder
LeBron/cheap fa vet/Beasley
Dedmon/Kanter/2nd rounder

Gives the Knicks a great bench, great starting five, a lot of shooting, two elite two way forwards in James and Kawhi and great defense in the starting five. Add coach Bud system and this is the best team in the East and best team in the NBA.

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I would do this. We going to the finals the next 3 years with that team.

[King Ken]

I would do this. We going to the finals the next 3 years with that team.

It's a lot but this would put the Knicks is a favorable position to win it all for the next 3-4 seasons plus get prime Leonard for the next 5-7 seasons.

[8516knicks]

"Gives the Knicks a great bench, great starting five, a lot of shooting, two elite two way forwards in James and Kawhi and great defense in the starting five. Add coach Bud system and this is the best team in the East and best team in the NBA" I have this bridge for sale. It's in Brooklyn. I'll throw in Jeremy Lin. Interested?

[KnickFan33]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Melo is gonna end up Meloing his way to Houston after opting in to keep CP3 around and to give their fans hope after GD dismisses them in the playoffs and Lebron spurns them in free agency for a jump to the process.

Ryan Anderson and a draft pick (sound familiar?) are moved out of Houston for Melo and rerouted to....

.....Cleveland for Kevin Love once Lebron leaves to start the rebuild. Presti does it again.

Love and Westbrook make more sense than PG or Melo.
And Russ is Kevin’s guy.

Melo to Hou
Love to OKC
Ryno and picks to Cleveland.

Take that for Potata!

[NoLayupRule]

Melo is gonna end up Meloing his way to Houston after opting in to keep CP3 around and to give their fans hope after GD dismisses them in the playoffs and Lebron spurns them in free agency for a jump to the process.

Ryan Anderson and a draft pick (sound familiar?) are moved out of Houston for Melo and rerouted to....

.....Cleveland for Kevin Love once Lebron leaves to start the rebuild. Presti does it again.

Love and Westbrook make more sense than PG or Melo.
And Russ is Kevin’s guy.

Melo to Hou
Love to OKC
Ryno and picks to Cleveland.

Take that for Potata!

Anderson would fit very well in OKC actually

they desperately need someone who can hit a shot off Westbrooks penetration and chuck

[Fat Kat]

"Gives the Knicks a great bench, great starting five, a lot of shooting, two elite two way forwards in James and Kawhi and great defense in the starting five. Add coach Bud system and this is the best team in the East and best team in the NBA" I have this bridge for sale. It's in Brooklyn. I'll throw in Jeremy Lin. Interested?

Nope. Locker room harmony and player accountability cannot exist in the presence of entitled vets and aging stars. Just won’t work. Melo is past his prime, but he’s also a woefully out of shape. I think he’s past the point of getting in shape or playing defense. You don’t want to put that burden on a coach

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Melo is gonna end up Meloing his way to Houston after opting in to keep CP3 around and to give their fans hope after GD dismisses them in the playoffs and Lebron spurns them in free agency for a jump to the process.

Ryan Anderson and a draft pick (sound familiar?) are moved out of Houston for Melo and rerouted to....

.....Cleveland for Kevin Love once Lebron leaves to start the rebuild. Presti does it again.

Love and Westbrook make more sense than PG or Melo.
And Russ is Kevin’s guy.

Melo to Hou
Love to OKC
Ryno and picks to Cleveland.

Take that for Potata!

Anderson would fit very well in OKC actually

they desperately need someone who can hit a shot off Westbrooks penetration and chuck

Agreed but Love LOVES Russ. Anderson makes loads of sense as well but you figure if Cle loses Lebron they’ll start selling off the expensive gust and Love would be high on the list; he just adds the name cache. And he’s still and All Star.