Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

[El Poochio]

maybe doncic is killing his own stock

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Classic Donchoke

Must be too depressed after learning he cant play with Tatum

tatum made a special request to me and said not to draft him

[Deeeez Knicks]

Long combo forward who can stretch the floor as a legit shooter, score in transition and has the tools to be a plus defender. With his shooting ability and athleticism at his size he can be a nightmare of a cover at both SF and PF. He needs to become a better shot creator and show the willingness to be great but the potential is there.

You could say the same things about Mikal though.

You can’t because it took Mikal 3 years until he was 21 to show the scoring ability that Knox showed at 18 years of age.

Knox is also bigger (in height and in stature) as well as being stronger all while being 3 years younger.

Knox has more potential because he has more time to develop. By the time Knox is 22, then you can compare 22 year old Knox to 22 year old rookie Mikal Bridges.


At the end of the day, you don’t get drafted based on how good you are, you get drafted based on how good you are and how good you can be.

I def agree we should be drafting on how good you can be. I just think people are underestimating Mikal’s ability to improve based on age especially when we have seen a lot of players take jumps in there early 20’s. I love that Mikal has already shown the ability to improve significantly every season and he has not stopped getting better. He has all the traits I would look for in a player that will work on his game and continue to improve. Length, pure jump shot, feel for the game, motor, defensive ability… He may not get there, but I think his upside is definitely being underestimated.

I am taking Mikal over Knox, but I actually don’t have Knox too far below him.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Will always seemed out of control, though. Real herky jerky and a better athlete (so different movement patterns) and Brown as the better playmaker. I don't see it that much, to be honest. I'm sorry, haha.

And I don’t see the comparison to Evan Turner. Complete different body type and athletic skill set.

Barton has very good handles/passing ability/Vision, not sure how u could call Brown a better playmaker when he hasn’t played an NBA minute yet. Barton ran the point guard position on a nightly basis in Denver.

Turner was stronger and less athletic, but the games are remarkably similar IMO.

I also don’t think Barton has the vision. He’s never played point for Denver, it’s always been a secondary / tertiary role off of a man guy, usually Jokic. Much more score first, IMO. In college too, Brown showed much more vision and playmaking ability.

Agree to disagree, I guess.


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[thebuzzardman]

I can't wait until next year's draft, especially if the Knicks draft a guard this year. The Knicks will be bad, but they'll be epicly bad running out a team that' would go 7 deep with guards, no starting quality SF or PF, and a defensively liability at C backed by a project who shoots 3's.

"We're gonna play 2 PG's at PG, A PG and SG at SG, and two SG's at SF"

[Mecca]

thats where you call up orlando and do a trae for bamba swap 6 to 9...with an extra asset going to orlando.

What extra asset do we have again? You won't trade a future first and I prob wouldn't either unless it's insanely protected. Doston doesn't carry that value.

was it orlando that had interest in Mudiay at the deadline (before we traded for him)? Swap him for Shelvin Mack and add pick #36

6 and mack for 9, mudiay, and 36

if it came down to it to swap bamba for trae I would contemplate sending a protected pick to orlando. That is how much I want no part of Trae Young.

There's no way Mudiay and 36 are valuable enough assets to get to pick 6. No way.

[3toheadmelo]

Classic Donchoke

Must be too depressed after learning he cant play with Tatum

tatum made a special request to me and said not to draft him

one will be a cav!!!

[HEZI]

Yea I agree Hezi. I’m not understanding the interest for this particular team. I like the stroke and the athleticism but he isn’t a positionless player and thus will create a surplus at the 2.

Right, and remember Fizdale's "guards" comment when talking about our PGs? When you throw in guys like Mudiay and Frank into the mix and the chance of them seeing some action over at the 2 guard spot, it just doesn't look like it would make much sense to add Lonnie who is kind of stuck at that 2 guard position. I don't see him being much of a 1 or a 3, he's likely going to be strictly a 2 so it just doesn't make much sense. It could just be a smokescreen and the Knicks are being real quiet about who they really want.

I just think it’s hard to fake interest in a kid if you’re meeting him for 3 hours for dinner. They might be thinking that Tim isn’t only a 2(mistake) and that Lonnie can be a 2 and a 3(questionable). I’m disappointed in the lack of Miles talk.

I don't think they are faking interest in him, just like when they brought in Mitchell for his 2nd workout last year and spent extra time with him, it still doesn't mean he's going to be the guy they take. But then again, if Mills is running the show then anything can happen.

[Knicksfan20]

Will always seemed out of control, though. Real herky jerky and a better athlete (so different movement patterns) and Brown as the better playmaker. I don't see it that much, to be honest. I'm sorry, haha.

And I don’t see the comparison to Evan Turner. Complete different body type and athletic skill set.

Barton has very good handles/passing ability/Vision, not sure how u could call Brown a better playmaker when he hasn’t played an NBA minute yet. Barton ran the point guard position on a nightly basis in Denver.

Turner was stronger and less athletic, but the games are remarkably similar IMO.

I also don’t think Barton has the vision. He’s never played point for Denver, it’s always been a secondary / tertiary role off of a man guy, usually Jokic. Much more score first, IMO. In college too, Brown showed much more vision and playmaking ability.

Agree to disagree, I guess.


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I watch a lot of Nuggets games. Barton runs the point often. He’s not the starting PG, but he plays as the main ball handler and plays the point with Gary Harris at the 2. He’s also a better playmaker then Jamal Murray.

Barton is the one bringing the ball up and initiating offense. He runs quite a bit of pick and roll also.

Yes the offense is primarily ran through Jokic, but Jokic doesn’t play 48 mpg.

Barton has played plenty of PG last season for the Nuggets. To say “he’s never played point for Denver” is a very false statement.

[taj2133]

The only way i want the knicks to pick lonnie walker if the knicks trade down to the clipper for both the 12 and 13 picks but not at 9.

[taj2133]

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[mpharris36]

What extra asset do we have again? You won't trade a future first and I prob wouldn't either unless it's insanely protected. Doston doesn't carry that value.

was it orlando that had interest in Mudiay at the deadline (before we traded for him)? Swap him for Shelvin Mack and add pick #36

6 and mack for 9, mudiay, and 36

if it came down to it to swap bamba for trae I would contemplate sending a protected pick to orlando. That is how much I want no part of Trae Young.

There's no way Mudiay and 36 are valuable enough assets to get to pick 6. No way.

its only a few spots and if Orlando is locked in on Trae who knows...

Also a lottery protected 1st would probably be an overpay for moving up 3 spots. So maybe if we were able to work out something in the middle like.

#6, terrence ross, and biyombo for #9, lottery protected 2019 1st rounder, Courtney Lee, and Noah.

That trade does two things. It sheds of lee's 12 million for next year for more room to sign Kyrie/Klay whoever wants to come.

It also gets us Bamba. And just swaps dead weight new scenory contracts in Noah and Bismack (but bismack might have something left in the tank).

[dakomish23]

If Donic is Manu Ginobili and Manu was in this draft, in what slot would you draft Manu, relative to the talent and projected talent of the other players?

Just playing the what if game. Not that Donic will be "Bird" or "Harden" or Kukoc or whatever. Let's say exactly Ginobili.

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[NoLayupRule]

You could say the same things about Mikal though.

You can’t because it took Mikal 3 years until he was 21 to show the scoring ability that Knox showed at 18 years of age.

Knox is also bigger (in height and in stature) as well as being stronger all while being 3 years younger.

Knox has more potential because he has more time to develop. By the time Knox is 22, then you can compare 22 year old Knox to 22 year old rookie Mikal Bridges.


At the end of the day, you don’t get drafted based on how good you are, you get drafted based on how good you are and how good you can be.

I def agree we should be drafting on how good you can be. I just think people are underestimating Mikal’s ability to improve based on age especially when we have seen a lot of players take jumps in there early 20’s. I love that Mikal has already shown the ability to improve significantly every season and he has not stopped getting better. He has all the traits I would look for in a player that will work on his game and continue to improve. Length, pure jump shot, feel for the game, motor, defensive ability… He may not get there, but I think his upside is definitely being underestimated.

I am taking Mikal over Knox, but I actually don’t have Knox too far below him.

There’s is a stunning habit on this board to rate the unknown so much more than the known

A pick, whatever that pick might be, is always better than a player

And a younger, less skilled player is always more exciting than an accomplished one who has a few more years


Players who might become mikal in a couple of years are not intrinsically better than mikal himself

Running out a rookie deal before that player reaches his level isn’t good business either


It’s a strange obsession with age

[NBA Fan 1234]

And I don’t see the comparison to Evan Turner. Complete different body type and athletic skill set.

Barton has very good handles/passing ability/Vision, not sure how u could call Brown a better playmaker when he hasn’t played an NBA minute yet. Barton ran the point guard position on a nightly basis in Denver.

Turner was stronger and less athletic, but the games are remarkably similar IMO.

I also don’t think Barton has the vision. He’s never played point for Denver, it’s always been a secondary / tertiary role off of a man guy, usually Jokic. Much more score first, IMO. In college too, Brown showed much more vision and playmaking ability.

Agree to disagree, I guess.


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I watch a lot of Nuggets games. Barton runs the point often. He’s not the starting PG, but he plays as the main ball handler and plays the point with Gary Harris at the 2. He’s also a better playmaker then Jamal Murray.

Barton is the one bringing the ball up and initiating offense. He runs quite a bit of pick and roll also.

Yes the offense is primarily ran through Jokic, but Jokic doesn’t play 48 mpg.

Barton has played plenty of PG last season for the Nuggets. To say “he’s never played point for Denver” is a very false statement.

They were one of my favorite teams to watch last year, so I watched them a heavy amount as well. I agree Murray isn't a playmaker at all, but that doesn't mean Barton is the PG. That team ran the offense through Jokic (which is why Murray was able to "play" point) when he was on the court and just general motion when he was off. I don't remember seeing Barton effectively playing point for the team, but maybe I just missed it.

Anyways, it's just what I'm seeing/have seen. I don't see the Barton comp, and you don't see the Turner one. Agree to disagree.

[HEZI]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

[Meat]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

no way jjj doest go top 5

[NBA Fan 1234]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

Could be posturing? Kings hoping someone bits on wanting a Bamba/Doncic etc and will either trade up...or they're putting it out there that they really like MPJr in hopes that someone likes him even more calls them up for a trade? If I were in the front office, that's what I would do.

I think Hawks trade down, by the way, and Mavs trade up.

[HEZI]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

Could be posturing? Kings hoping someone bits on wanting a Bamba/Doncic etc and will either trade up...or they're putting it out there that they really like MPJr in hopes that someone likes him even more calls them up for a trade? If I were in the front office, that's what I would do.

I think Hawks trade down, by the way, and Mavs trade up.

True, but what explains the MPJ canceled workouts though? I could understand the Kings posturing, but it would be a strange coincidence that MPJ cancels his workout 2 days before it's supposed to take place and then the Kings news gets leaked.

[DaGawd]

If Bamba falls to 9....

[HEZI]

So is there any reason why MPJ would cancel his workouts for Friday other than him getting a guarantee from the Kings at 2? The only other reason I could think of would be he suffered an injury, which I doubt is what happened.

Suns - Ayton
Kings - MPJ
Hawks - Trae?

Looks like the top 3 is shaping up. Doncic to the Mavs made sense to me for weeks now, especially if Memphis takes Bagley

Ayton
MPJ
Trae?
Bagley
Doncic

Top 5 shaping up

no way jjj doest go top 5

He's not that good. He's a raw big man project in a draft that's stacked with big men at the top. I could see him dropping, for sure. Somebody could even take Bamba before they take JJJ