OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[robillionaire]

I’m a member of some community forums in Florida as my parents live there, lots of complaining about NYers. Someone complained about noise from a church, “go back to NY.” Someone called police about gun use on nearby property “damn northerner”

Mind you they have no idea the identity of the person complaining.

I do wonder if more people moving to Florida will ever turn it back to a 50/50 red/blue state

That’s funny. I was born in Florida and my mom and grandparents and some other relatives still live there. Moved away when I was 7. But I also moved to New York for 6 years too. Now where I live in North Carolina people hate both NYers as well as Floridians because they’re both moving to this area and causing the prices to go up. When I bought my house the neighbors were relieved when I said I’m from Kentucky (where I lived for over 20 years) because they heard some New Yorkers bought it and were relieved to hear the hint of our southern drawl. People are getting weirdly territorial about their states I mean they really aren’t that different in the grand scheme of things. Maybe it’s because the confederacy is about to be reestablished in the next 5-10 yrs

Why is it weird? People are territorial by nature, and crave homogeny by nature. It's not about black vs. white either. It's more like- hey, we like to hunt, and we believe in our right to bear arms. We don't want to live on top of each other. We want to have our land, our peace and quiet, and we want to live and let live. If you think the same way, you're welcome here. If you prefer the hustle and bustle of the city life, if you want to be loud and in our face about your progressive political beliefs, and if you think people should be required to be vaccinated just to enter a restaurant or a basketball game.... then stay in the f*cking city and away from my children lol. No need to come to the country side. Pretty simple, no? Same reason Clyde just admitted he's going to move back North. You've been propagandized to think it's all about race and restoring the confederacy.

So in your eyes is a rural vs urban issue and we can’t live in one or the other unless we adhere to your philosophy? F that, we are all free to have our values no matter where it is. I’ve lived in the most impoverished rural areas and the biggest city the country has to offer and there are mixed opinions and good and bad people no matter where you go. Now you have your set of values and a care for your family and community which I think you are sincere about, but you have to understand there are folks who are also sincere that don’t want you bringing back smallpox and measles and spreading Covid and diseases because your newfound rejection of all established institutions has caused you to have a disdain for higher education and science and medicine etc. nor do I want my kids gunned down in school and I don’t want to get stoned to death for not following religious laws. We have the same reasoning you do to protect people we care about but we simply have a different set of values and that’s aside from any race discussion. Now what is to be done about that I have no idea

also why should we be bound to what you describe as “nature” are we just wild animals or do humans have the ability for higher reasoning and compassion

[Clyde_Style]

Good to see Rob again. I missed that guy

[Gorilla Monsoon]

That’s funny. I was born in Florida and my mom and grandparents and some other relatives still live there. Moved away when I was 7. But I also moved to New York for 6 years too. Now where I live in North Carolina people hate both NYers as well as Floridians because they’re both moving to this area and causing the prices to go up. When I bought my house the neighbors were relieved when I said I’m from Kentucky (where I lived for over 20 years) because they heard some New Yorkers bought it and were relieved to hear the hint of our southern drawl. People are getting weirdly territorial about their states I mean they really aren’t that different in the grand scheme of things. Maybe it’s because the confederacy is about to be reestablished in the next 5-10 yrs

Why is it weird? People are territorial by nature, and crave homogeny by nature. It's not about black vs. white either. It's more like- hey, we like to hunt, and we believe in our right to bear arms. We don't want to live on top of each other. We want to have our land, our peace and quiet, and we want to live and let live. If you think the same way, you're welcome here. If you prefer the hustle and bustle of the city life, if you want to be loud and in our face about your progressive political beliefs, and if you think people should be required to be vaccinated just to enter a restaurant or a basketball game.... then stay in the f*cking city and away from my children lol. No need to come to the country side. Pretty simple, no? Same reason Clyde just admitted he's going to move back North. You've been propagandized to think it's all about race and restoring the confederacy.

So in your eyes is a rural vs urban issue and we can’t live in one or the other unless we adhere to your philosophy? F that, we are all free to have our values no matter where it is. I’ve lived in the most impoverished rural areas and the biggest city the country has to offer and there are mixed opinions and good and bad people no matter where you go. Now you have your set of values and a care for your family and community which I think you are sincere about, but you have to understand there are folks who are also sincere that don’t want you bringing back smallpox and measles and spreading Covid and diseases because your newfound rejection of all established institutions has caused you to have a disdain for higher education and science and medicine etc. nor do I want my kids gunned down in school and I don’t want to get stoned to death for not following religious laws. We have the same reasoning you do to protect people we care about but we simply have a different set of values and that’s aside from any race discussion. Now what is to be done about that I have no idea

also why should we be bound to what you describe as “nature” are we just wild animals or do humans have the ability for higher reasoning and compassion

Some people do, some people don't. I just don't think it's fair to categorize an entire region of the country as racist based on other policies and beliefs those areas tend to cling to that have nothing to do with race.

We are not wild animals, but we are imperfect creatures with different cultures, tendencies, biases, beliefs, hopes and wishes. Sure, someone who is good natured and open minded can spend half their life in Manhattan and the other half of their life in rural Kentucky and get along with all of their neighbors just fine. But I think statistically and realistically speaking... people live where they live for a reason, and don't make that decision only because of their job or the cost of living.

I'm in real estate so I can tell you based on my experience helping people from all walks of life buy and sell.... home prices and taxes are a major factor, yes... but it's also the environment and the way of life that draws people to one area or another, probably more than anything else. And that's totally okay. I used to dream of living in Manhattan when I was younger. Does it make me a bigot because as I got older, I started to value other things, and now dream of living on multiple acres somewhere in the mountains?

A lot of that has to do with what one might call "liberal policies" in the city. Mask and vaccine mandates. Bail reform and "police reform", which has led to higher crime rates. And bigger government which always equals higher taxes and higher cost of living. If you're voting for those policies, why then move to the south or to a rural area where those issues aren't as prevalent, just to vote for the same sh*t that made you leave the city in the first place?

Also, let me know which part of the country is stoning people to death over "religious laws". I'll make sure to avoid that place myself.

[robillionaire]

Why is it weird? People are territorial by nature, and crave homogeny by nature. It's not about black vs. white either. It's more like- hey, we like to hunt, and we believe in our right to bear arms. We don't want to live on top of each other. We want to have our land, our peace and quiet, and we want to live and let live. If you think the same way, you're welcome here. If you prefer the hustle and bustle of the city life, if you want to be loud and in our face about your progressive political beliefs, and if you think people should be required to be vaccinated just to enter a restaurant or a basketball game.... then stay in the f*cking city and away from my children lol. No need to come to the country side. Pretty simple, no? Same reason Clyde just admitted he's going to move back North. You've been propagandized to think it's all about race and restoring the confederacy.

So in your eyes is a rural vs urban issue and we can’t live in one or the other unless we adhere to your philosophy? F that, we are all free to have our values no matter where it is. I’ve lived in the most impoverished rural areas and the biggest city the country has to offer and there are mixed opinions and good and bad people no matter where you go. Now you have your set of values and a care for your family and community which I think you are sincere about, but you have to understand there are folks who are also sincere that don’t want you bringing back smallpox and measles and spreading Covid and diseases because your newfound rejection of all established institutions has caused you to have a disdain for higher education and science and medicine etc. nor do I want my kids gunned down in school and I don’t want to get stoned to death for not following religious laws. We have the same reasoning you do to protect people we care about but we simply have a different set of values and that’s aside from any race discussion. Now what is to be done about that I have no idea

also why should we be bound to what you describe as “nature” are we just wild animals or do humans have the ability for higher reasoning and compassion

Some people do, some people don't. I just don't think it's fair to categorize an entire region of the country as racist based on other policies and beliefs those areas tend to cling to that have nothing to do with race.

We are not wild animals, but we are imperfect creatures with different cultures, tendencies, biases, beliefs, hopes and wishes. Sure, someone who is good natured and open minded can spend half their life in Manhattan and the other half of their life in rural Kentucky and get along with all of their neighbors just fine. But I think statistically and realistically speaking... people live where they live for a reason, and don't make that decision only because of their job or the cost of living.

I'm in real estate so I can tell you based on my experience helping people from all walks of life buy and sell.... home prices and taxes are a major factor, yes... but it's also the environment and the way of life that draws people to one area or another, probably more than anything else. And that's totally okay. I used to dream of living in Manhattan when I was younger. Does it make me a bigot because as I got older, I started to value other things, and now dream of living on multiple acres somewhere in the mountains?

A lot of that has to do with what one might call "liberal policies" in the city. Mask and vaccine mandates. Bail reform and "police reform", which has led to higher crime rates. And bigger government which always equals higher taxes and higher cost of living. If you're voting for those policies, why then move to the south or to a rural area where those issues aren't as prevalent, just to vote for the same sh*t that made you leave the city in the first place?

Also, let me know which part of the country is stoning people to death over "religious laws". I'll make sure to avoid that place myself.

I don’t have time to respond to the whole thing because I am watching the Kentucky vs Kansas game so sorry about that but to your first paragraph I agree with you, I mean I’m a southerner from appalachia and once again live in appalachia and my ideas have never been majority popular in the region sure but I’ve also not had any problem finding friends and community who share my values in pockets of the south either. The ideologies aren’t as homogenous as electoral politics might lead people to believe imo

To your next point my belief is most people live where they live because they were born there. Not everyone feels a need to move around. Most people in my hometown are still there today and likely will be forever. Nothing wrong with it. But we shouldn’t be expected to just move away if we don’t like how things are either. I mean there are plenty of conservatives in NY. What do you think they should do?

[Gorilla Monsoon]

So in your eyes is a rural vs urban issue and we can’t live in one or the other unless we adhere to your philosophy? F that, we are all free to have our values no matter where it is. I’ve lived in the most impoverished rural areas and the biggest city the country has to offer and there are mixed opinions and good and bad people no matter where you go. Now you have your set of values and a care for your family and community which I think you are sincere about, but you have to understand there are folks who are also sincere that don’t want you bringing back smallpox and measles and spreading Covid and diseases because your newfound rejection of all established institutions has caused you to have a disdain for higher education and science and medicine etc. nor do I want my kids gunned down in school and I don’t want to get stoned to death for not following religious laws. We have the same reasoning you do to protect people we care about but we simply have a different set of values and that’s aside from any race discussion. Now what is to be done about that I have no idea

also why should we be bound to what you describe as “nature” are we just wild animals or do humans have the ability for higher reasoning and compassion

Some people do, some people don't. I just don't think it's fair to categorize an entire region of the country as racist based on other policies and beliefs those areas tend to cling to that have nothing to do with race.

We are not wild animals, but we are imperfect creatures with different cultures, tendencies, biases, beliefs, hopes and wishes. Sure, someone who is good natured and open minded can spend half their life in Manhattan and the other half of their life in rural Kentucky and get along with all of their neighbors just fine. But I think statistically and realistically speaking... people live where they live for a reason, and don't make that decision only because of their job or the cost of living.

I'm in real estate so I can tell you based on my experience helping people from all walks of life buy and sell.... home prices and taxes are a major factor, yes... but it's also the environment and the way of life that draws people to one area or another, probably more than anything else. And that's totally okay. I used to dream of living in Manhattan when I was younger. Does it make me a bigot because as I got older, I started to value other things, and now dream of living on multiple acres somewhere in the mountains?

A lot of that has to do with what one might call "liberal policies" in the city. Mask and vaccine mandates. Bail reform and "police reform", which has led to higher crime rates. And bigger government which always equals higher taxes and higher cost of living. If you're voting for those policies, why then move to the south or to a rural area where those issues aren't as prevalent, just to vote for the same sh*t that made you leave the city in the first place?

Also, let me know which part of the country is stoning people to death over "religious laws". I'll make sure to avoid that place myself.

I don’t have time to respond to the whole thing because I am watching the Kentucky vs Kansas game so sorry about that but to your first paragraph I agree with you, I mean I’m a southerner from appalachia and once again live in appalachia and my ideas have never been majority popular in the region sure but I’ve also not had any problem finding friends and community who share my values in pockets of the south either. The ideologies aren’t as homogenous as electoral politics might lead people to believe imo

To your next point my belief is most people live where they live because they were born there. Not everyone feels a need to move around. Most people in my hometown are still there today and likely will be forever. Nothing wrong with it. But we shouldn’t be expected to just move away if we don’t like how things are either. I mean there are plenty of conservatives in NY. What do you think they should do?

No, you're totally right about that. I thought we were just addressing the topic of people migrating. Yourself and other posters were talking about people coming in and out of Florida for one reason or another.

That said- most conservative NYers live on Long Island or in rural upstate. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Either way, thanks for having a civil discussion with me. I respect you and wish you well. I'll let you enjoy the game. I'm about to pop on Ozark, aka the greatest show of all time.

[HarthorneWingo]

So in your eyes is a rural vs urban issue and we can’t live in one or the other unless we adhere to your philosophy? F that, we are all free to have our values no matter where it is. I’ve lived in the most impoverished rural areas and the biggest city the country has to offer and there are mixed opinions and good and bad people no matter where you go. Now you have your set of values and a care for your family and community which I think you are sincere about, but you have to understand there are folks who are also sincere that don’t want you bringing back smallpox and measles and spreading Covid and diseases because your newfound rejection of all established institutions has caused you to have a disdain for higher education and science and medicine etc. nor do I want my kids gunned down in school and I don’t want to get stoned to death for not following religious laws. We have the same reasoning you do to protect people we care about but we simply have a different set of values and that’s aside from any race discussion. Now what is to be done about that I have no idea

also why should we be bound to what you describe as “nature” are we just wild animals or do humans have the ability for higher reasoning and compassion

Some people do, some people don't. I just don't think it's fair to categorize an entire region of the country as racist based on other policies and beliefs those areas tend to cling to that have nothing to do with race.

We are not wild animals, but we are imperfect creatures with different cultures, tendencies, biases, beliefs, hopes and wishes. Sure, someone who is good natured and open minded can spend half their life in Manhattan and the other half of their life in rural Kentucky and get along with all of their neighbors just fine. But I think statistically and realistically speaking... people live where they live for a reason, and don't make that decision only because of their job or the cost of living.

I'm in real estate so I can tell you based on my experience helping people from all walks of life buy and sell.... home prices and taxes are a major factor, yes... but it's also the environment and the way of life that draws people to one area or another, probably more than anything else. And that's totally okay. I used to dream of living in Manhattan when I was younger. Does it make me a bigot because as I got older, I started to value other things, and now dream of living on multiple acres somewhere in the mountains?

A lot of that has to do with what one might call "liberal policies" in the city. Mask and vaccine mandates. Bail reform and "police reform", which has led to higher crime rates. And bigger government which always equals higher taxes and higher cost of living. If you're voting for those policies, why then move to the south or to a rural area where those issues aren't as prevalent, just to vote for the same sh*t that made you leave the city in the first place?

Also, let me know which part of the country is stoning people to death over "religious laws". I'll make sure to avoid that place myself.

I don’t have time to respond to the whole thing because I am watching the Kentucky vs Kansas game so sorry about that but to your first paragraph I agree with you, I mean I’m a southerner from appalachia and once again live in appalachia and my ideas have never been majority popular in the region sure but I’ve also not had any problem finding friends and community who share my values in pockets of the south either. The ideologies aren’t as homogenous as electoral politics might lead people to believe imo

To your next point my belief is most people live where they live because they were born there. Not everyone feels a need to move around. Most people in my hometown are still there today and likely will be forever. Nothing wrong with it. But we shouldn’t be expected to just move away if we don’t like how things are either. I mean there are plenty of conservatives in NY. What do you think they should do?

Move to Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas.

[DOT]

Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.

[robillionaire]

Some people do, some people don't. I just don't think it's fair to categorize an entire region of the country as racist based on other policies and beliefs those areas tend to cling to that have nothing to do with race.

We are not wild animals, but we are imperfect creatures with different cultures, tendencies, biases, beliefs, hopes and wishes. Sure, someone who is good natured and open minded can spend half their life in Manhattan and the other half of their life in rural Kentucky and get along with all of their neighbors just fine. But I think statistically and realistically speaking... people live where they live for a reason, and don't make that decision only because of their job or the cost of living.

I'm in real estate so I can tell you based on my experience helping people from all walks of life buy and sell.... home prices and taxes are a major factor, yes... but it's also the environment and the way of life that draws people to one area or another, probably more than anything else. And that's totally okay. I used to dream of living in Manhattan when I was younger. Does it make me a bigot because as I got older, I started to value other things, and now dream of living on multiple acres somewhere in the mountains?

A lot of that has to do with what one might call "liberal policies" in the city. Mask and vaccine mandates. Bail reform and "police reform", which has led to higher crime rates. And bigger government which always equals higher taxes and higher cost of living. If you're voting for those policies, why then move to the south or to a rural area where those issues aren't as prevalent, just to vote for the same sh*t that made you leave the city in the first place?

Also, let me know which part of the country is stoning people to death over "religious laws". I'll make sure to avoid that place myself.

I don’t have time to respond to the whole thing because I am watching the Kentucky vs Kansas game so sorry about that but to your first paragraph I agree with you, I mean I’m a southerner from appalachia and once again live in appalachia and my ideas have never been majority popular in the region sure but I’ve also not had any problem finding friends and community who share my values in pockets of the south either. The ideologies aren’t as homogenous as electoral politics might lead people to believe imo

To your next point my belief is most people live where they live because they were born there. Not everyone feels a need to move around. Most people in my hometown are still there today and likely will be forever. Nothing wrong with it. But we shouldn’t be expected to just move away if we don’t like how things are either. I mean there are plenty of conservatives in NY. What do you think they should do?

No, you're totally right about that. I thought we were just addressing the topic of people migrating. Yourself and other posters were talking about people coming in and out of Florida for one reason or another.

That said- most conservative NYers live on Long Island or in rural upstate. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Either way, thanks for having a civil discussion with me. I respect you and wish you well. I'll let you enjoy the game. I'm about to pop on Ozark, aka the greatest show of all time.

I’m watching it too, I hope the show can stay solid in the final season

I binge watched the first three seasons right when Covid broke out spring 2019 seems like a lifetime ago

[robillionaire]

Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.

Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

[DOT]

Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.

Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.

[Clyde_Style]

Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.

Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.

Lord knows, I tried, but I understand your feelings on this. Once covid got weaponized as a political football it was inevitable we’d see an inability to agree on terms of engagement, precisely because all kinds of other biases get dragged into the the convo unnecessarily. What a mess. My concern now is no longer about how this pandemic winds down, but how completely vulnerable to much worst consequences our society will be when a far more deadly contagion erupts. Then it will be game over for so many people before they can say boo

[BKlutch]

For Wingo and the other ancients, Joni Mitchell just wrote she stands with Neil Young.

I have the unpopular opinion of not giving a **** what Neil Young or Joni Mitchell think. Why are we trying to hold a podcast to higher standards than Fox News? I also have the unpopular opinion of thinking Joe Rogan is mostly correct, children should not be taking the vaccine. If you look at the VAERS data, children aged 5-11 had a 0.24% chance to have a serious event after receiving the vaccine. Of the 850,000 people who died of covid, less than 750 were children under the age of 18. I am vaccinated as is my wife but I will not subject my kids to it.

I also think they should stop calling it a vaccine as it does not provide immunity and does not prevent spreading the disease. The CDC recently changed the definition from "immunity" to "protection".

Get your health in order and realize the virus is never going away. We are sacrificing a generation of our young so that a bunch of boomers feel safe. I'll be here wearing my tinfoil hat.

Keep wearing that hat. You’ll be needing it.

[BKlutch]

So last eeek this guy, who frequents the same dog park I do, told the few of us that were talking that about COVID that he’s a union delegate for the carpenters union here in NY (probably a local) and that he may have to quit his job because he refuses to get vaccinated that’s now mandated. Then he volunteers that he got himself a fake COVID card which we both agreed could land him in jail.

Then this article came out yesterday.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards-nurses-amityville-1.50492260#utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning-Update&lctg=d6cf2681e2fe35cf4b6bc0dc83bdeab7f4ab2e0b6af67eefb29e13d906216729&utm_term=sub

Two Amityville nurses accused of faking COVID-19 vaccination cards

About $900,000 in cash and a ledger documenting profits in excess of $1.5 million were seized in a phony COVID-19 vaccination card scheme, according to Suffolk County prosecutors.

By Nicole Fuller
nicole.fuller@newsday.com @NicoleFuller
Updated January 29, 2022 10:18 AM

Two Amityville nurses were arraigned Friday on charges they fraudulently filled out COVID-19 vaccination cards and entered the false vaccine status information in the state database in a scheme authorities say garnered $1.5 million in profit, Suffolk County authorities said.

So you mean anti-vax is big business or even organized crime? I’m shocked, I tell you. Just shocked!

[Clyde_Style]

So last eeek this guy, who frequents the same dog park I do, told the few of us that were talking that about COVID that he’s a union delegate for the carpenters union here in NY (probably a local) and that he may have to quit his job because he refuses to get vaccinated that’s now mandated. Then he volunteers that he got himself a fake COVID card which we both agreed could land him in jail.

Then this article came out yesterday.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards-nurses-amityville-1.50492260#utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning-Update&lctg=d6cf2681e2fe35cf4b6bc0dc83bdeab7f4ab2e0b6af67eefb29e13d906216729&utm_term=sub

Two Amityville nurses accused of faking COVID-19 vaccination cards

About $900,000 in cash and a ledger documenting profits in excess of $1.5 million were seized in a phony COVID-19 vaccination card scheme, according to Suffolk County prosecutors.

By Nicole Fuller
nicole.fuller@newsday.com @NicoleFuller
Updated January 29, 2022 10:18 AM

Two Amityville nurses were arraigned Friday on charges they fraudulently filled out COVID-19 vaccination cards and entered the false vaccine status information in the state database in a scheme authorities say garnered $1.5 million in profit, Suffolk County authorities said.

So you mean anti-vax is big business or even organized crime? I’m shocked, I tell you. Just shocked!

1.5M?

Pfftt!

Julius Randle got $117M

Now that’s a crime!

[Clyde_Style]

Oh and BTW, still trying to milk a false correlation between the dangers of the flu and covid is just bad faith politics as usual. When you will lose a million people in the U.S. to covid in a little over two years it is not the same as losing tens of thousands a year to the flu which the endemic remnant of a century old pandemic. Such a dishonest thing to say

[BKlutch]

Oh and BTW, still trying to milk a false correlation between the dangers of the flu and covid is just bad faith politics as usual. When you will lose a million people in the U.S. to covid in a little over two years it is not the same as losing tens of thousands a year to the flu which the endemic remnant of a century old pandemic. Such a dishonest thing to say

Yes this.

In the US,
A bad flu kills 30-40,000 in a year.
Covid kills 500,000 in a year.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m all for the vaccine but in no way should anybody be forced to take it. And they want to lock people up now for not taking it? Communists

Not “lock up”. Just temporarily quarantined. You’re brights end where they begin to adversely effect mine. Your freedoms are compromised by rules, regulations, and laws every day. This is no exception.

Like people not taking flu shots can adversely impact you. Especially with the new variants being less severe, people need to rely on their own actions and also the REASONABLE actions of others. It’s Reasonable for people to not want the vaccine. It’s not reasonable for them to cough in your face.

You’re making unreasonable demands of people, and yes forced vaccination is unreasonable.

But you don't know this. It turns out that omicron was but that doesn't mean that subsequent variants will also be less severe. So long as people remain unvaccinated, then there will continue to be more variants. You don't agree with that premise?

[HarthorneWingo]

So last eeek this guy, who frequents the same dog park I do, told the few of us that were talking that about COVID that he’s a union delegate for the carpenters union here in NY (probably a local) and that he may have to quit his job because he refuses to get vaccinated that’s now mandated. Then he volunteers that he got himself a fake COVID card which we both agreed could land him in jail.

Then this article came out yesterday.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/fake-covid-19-vaccination-cards-nurses-amityville-1.50492260#utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning-Update&lctg=d6cf2681e2fe35cf4b6bc0dc83bdeab7f4ab2e0b6af67eefb29e13d906216729&utm_term=sub

So you mean anti-vax is big business or even organized crime? I’m shocked, I tell you. Just shocked!

1.5M?

Pfftt!

Julius Randle got $117M

Now that’s a crime!

You'd do Randle for Fox?

[HarthorneWingo]

Oh and BTW, still trying to milk a false correlation between the dangers of the flu and covid is just bad faith politics as usual. When you will lose a million people in the U.S. to covid in a little over two years it is not the same as losing tens of thousands a year to the flu which the endemic remnant of a century old pandemic. Such a dishonest thing to say

Yes this.

In the US,
A bad flu kills 30-40,000 in a year.
Covid kills 500,000 in a year.

I think it got 2,800 in one day sometime this past week. That's like one World Trade Center airplane bombing a day. That's what it was like during the first wave.

[Gorilla Monsoon]

Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.

Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.

Sorry, I barely ever post in this thread, but reading through it once in a while, I've seen it go so far off-topic so many times, I thought it might be okay to have a conversation with my fellow NYers and Knicks fans about general politics.

Anyway, I said nothing wrong. I'm not a racist, and I didn't say anything even thinly veiled as racist. I clearly stated that my point about homogeny had nothing to do with race. I mean, can't we all just be mature and have a discussion without getting triggered and outraged by little buzz words? How are we ever supposed to find some common ground like Rob and I did? Are we all supposed to continually misunderstand each other and hate each other? Would that make you happy as a moderator of this discussion forum?

FYI, I don't live in a small town. I live in a low-income neighborhood on Long Island and have spent literally my entire life here. Long Island, and the area I live in in particular is extremely diverse. I have life-long friends as well as extended family who are black and hispanic, and simply put, I don't hate or judge people because of their culture or the color of their skin because I'm not a heartless moron. I have helped people of all races and creeds buy and sell real estate, including minorities who have purchased homes in predominantly white areas. Don't paint me out to be David Duke because I said the word homogeny. You have no idea who I am.

I'll leave you guys to be vaccinated in peace now. Enjoy your circle jerk.