Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[thebuzzardman]

Don't give more than 3-4 picks. This is beyond crazy now. Ainge must be stopped.

Mitchell should leadeth not Leon Rose into temptation!

[thebuzzardman]

Reading these constant RJ bashings is like The Masturbations of Job!

When Jimmit joins in is it Mutal Masturbations of Job?

[Madskillzz024]

I don’t see us trading IQ.. he been chilling with Dmitch all summer




Then if obi get traded. Free agent Pashall is coming to replace

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He’s from Dobbs Ferry, nice

[Kampuchea]

Regular minutes lineup projection:

Brunson/Rose
Mitchell/IQ
RJ/Cam
Randle/
Mitch/Hart

Feels like we may lose Toppin and Grimes so the above is the lineup, which I am a fan of how our starters look. I would wonder if Hart can play any PF, sliding Sims into more backup C minutes. Or if Cam can play PF. Either way, we need to sign someone at PF, too bad about Gibson.

The problem with the team is going to be if we trade all of those picks that are ours and also those that we recently acquired. We will not have any way to improve the team besides signing Vets with our exceptions. We won't have any firsts to trade for a real difference maker like true contenders do all of the time - we would need to rely on RJ & IQ making a leap.

[Chanel Bomber]

Burks is yesterdays news.
Yes I’m aware he was positive as a starter but that has really no bearing on Mitchs weaknesses now or in the future.

Not sure why you think the team ideal spacing . Last years team was DOA so they were behind the 8ball from the get go.

The regression from the center position was Noel having positive play and then now negative play from Mitch so there is every bit of a regression from the position .

You mentioned the line-up as a whole from last season, which Burks was a part of.

I brought him up along with Mitch because you seemed to suggest that Randle and RJ could be excused for their inefficiency because they were part of a "historically bad lineup". Yet both Randle and RJ performed worse than their fellow starters (Fournier, Burks, Mitch) according to the best available impact metrics.

The play of Randle and RJ was the primary reason why the line-up was historically bad to begin with.

The same metrics show that Mitch played better this past season than Noel did the year before. They are both rim protectors/rim-runners, so the change didn't affect the structure of the team or the way they played. The reasons behind the Knicks' regression are found elsewhere: the injury to our best player (Derrick Rose), the team's spectacular regression to the mean in 3-point shooting and the defensive regression (Randle's regression, RJ's regression, the regression from Bullock to Fournier). Those things demonstrably happened. There's no statistical evidence backing your stance that Mitch's play was negative or that there was a regression from the 5 spot that would explain the team's regression.

Reading these constant RJ bashings is like The Tribulations of Job!

Randle gets his fair share too, but he already got his extension so the damage is done. Folks don't see it as hate or bashing Randle because they mostly agree with the criticism. That's the difference.

They both sucked last year, and the stats demonstrate that it was not anybody else's fault. They were practically indistinguishable in terms of impact, usage and inefficiency.

[stuporman]

Mitchell for

Rose
Reddish
Grimes
McBride
6 first rounders

Is Ainge going to get a better package of picks than that? No
He gets one real promising young player with 3 years of rookie contract control left and another who looks solid with the same contractual state.
A flyer on Cam who still might be able to be flipped for something during the season.
Plus no big long term money, they can negotiate a buyout if they don't even want to keep Rose around.

That's the final offer. It's an overpay by the Knicks but they still have enough talent, youth and picks to adjust the roster around the core plus they got and kept the guys they wanted.

Meetch/Hart/Sims
Randle/Obi
RJ/Hunt
Mitchell/Fournier
Brunson/IQ

Ainge can go into the rebuild with adding about a dozen first rounders and a few young players puffing out his chest because he raked in the draft assets to jump start the process.

I'm not totally convinced it's the right thing to do but that is the top dollar price I'd want to see the Knicks pay and permit myself the wait and see attitude for it all.

Don't make us wait a month or two for it to happen though, that would be the worst.

[thebuzzardman]

Just in case:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

You mentioned the line-up as a whole from last season, which Burks was a part of.

I brought him up along with Mitch because you seemed to suggest that Randle and RJ could be excused for their inefficiency because they were part of a "historically bad lineup". Yet both Randle and RJ performed worse than their fellow starters (Fournier, Burks, Mitch) according to the best available impact metrics.

The play of Randle and RJ was the primary reason why the line-up was historically bad to begin with.

The same metrics show that Mitch played better this past season than Noel did the year before. They are both rim protectors/rim-runners, so the change didn't affect the structure of the team or the way they played. The reasons behind the Knicks' regression are found elsewhere: the injury to our best player (Derrick Rose), the team's spectacular regression to the mean in 3-point shooting and the defensive regression (Randle's regression, RJ's regression, the regression from Bullock to Fournier). Those things demonstrably happened. There's no statistical evidence backing your stance that Mitch's play was negative or that there was a regression from the 5 spot that would explain the team's regression.

Reading these constant RJ bashings is like The Tribulations of Job!

Randle gets his fair share too, but he already got his extension so the damage is done. Folks don't see it as hate or bashing Randle because they mostly agree with the criticism. They both sucked last year, and the stats demonstrate that it was not anybody else's fault. They were practically indistinguishable in terms of impact, usage and inefficiency.

Now RJ and Randle are indistinguishable?

You’re scraping the bottom of your barrel sonny boy

[thebuzzardman]

Reading these constant RJ bashings is like The Tribulations of Job!

Randle gets his fair share too, but he already got his extension so the damage is done. Folks don't see it as hate or bashing Randle because they mostly agree with the criticism. They both sucked last year, and the stats demonstrate that it was not anybody else's fault. They were practically indistinguishable in terms of impact, usage and inefficiency.

Now RJ and Randle are indistinguishable?

You’re scraping the bottom of your barrel sonny boy

I'm just mad Chanel didn't take my biblical bait

[spree2kawhi]

Just in case:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He’s really good imo

[thebuzzardman]

Mitchell for

Rose
Reddish
Grimes
McBride
6 first rounders

Is Ainge going to get a better package of picks than that? No
He gets one real promising young player with 3 years of rookie contract control left and another who looks solid with the same contractual state.
A flyer on Cam who still might be able to be flipped for something during the season.
Plus no big long term money, they can negotiate a buyout if they don't even want to keep Rose around.

That's the final offer. It's is an overpay by the Knicks but they still have enough talent, youth and picks to adjust the roster around the core plus get and keep the guys they wanted.

Meetch/Hart/Sims
Randle/Obi
RJ/Hunt
Mitchell/Fournier
Brunson/IQ

Ainge can go into the rebuild with adding almost a dozen first rounders and a few young players puffing out his chest because he raked in the draft assets to jump start the process.

I'm not totally convinced it's the right thing to do but that is the top dollar price I'd want to see the Knicks pay and permit myself the wait and see attitude for it all.

Don't make us wait a month or two for it to happen though, that would be the worst.

It's a little short on cash.
Not directed at you or this post, but suddenly, having an extra, crappy 10 million player around is inconvenient.
Of course, some may run in here and say RJ or Obi fit that bill, we know the usual suspects.
Might work with Fournier instead of Rose - actually just did it, nope. Would still need Obi or RJ.

[thebuzzardman]

Just in case:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He’s really good imo

He is. I like Obi. He's fun to watch. I think there's another level, at least, to uncover, but I'm not 100% convinced either. Even if he hits it, if Obi being in the trade kept Grimes out, even though I feel Obi could bring a lot playing with real PGs and the change in the take foul upcoming - even in a bench role - assuming it's a given if Obi out, Paschall in, he's not a bad contingency at all.

Damn, that's a run on sentence. I'm in here like NBA Faulkner.

[Clyde_Style]

Randle gets his fair share too, but he already got his extension so the damage is done. Folks don't see it as hate or bashing Randle because they mostly agree with the criticism. They both sucked last year, and the stats demonstrate that it was not anybody else's fault. They were practically indistinguishable in terms of impact, usage and inefficiency.

Now RJ and Randle are indistinguishable?

You’re scraping the bottom of your barrel sonny boy

I'm just mad Chanel didn't take my biblical bait

Don’t march up the aisle and thrust your goblet and wafers in their face. They’re a skittish forest creature. Approach their pew sideways while whispering “I’ll trade you this biscuit for RJ.” It works every time

[iLLmatic860]

Just in case:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He’s really good imo

Yup and Dmitch would push for him to come

Def will be a decent Obi replacement

[stuporman]

Mitchell for

Rose
Reddish
Grimes
McBride
6 first rounders

Is Ainge going to get a better package of picks than that? No
He gets one real promising young player with 3 years of rookie contract control left and another who looks solid with the same contractual state.
A flyer on Cam who still might be able to be flipped for something during the season.
Plus no big long term money, they can negotiate a buyout if they don't even want to keep Rose around.

That's the final offer. It's is an overpay by the Knicks but they still have enough talent, youth and picks to adjust the roster around the core plus get and keep the guys they wanted.

Meetch/Hart/Sims
Randle/Obi
RJ/Hunt
Mitchell/Fournier
Brunson/IQ

Ainge can go into the rebuild with adding almost a dozen first rounders and a few young players puffing out his chest because he raked in the draft assets to jump start the process.

I'm not totally convinced it's the right thing to do but that is the top dollar price I'd want to see the Knicks pay and permit myself the wait and see attitude for it all.

Don't make us wait a month or two for it to happen though, that would be the worst.

It's a little short on cash.
Not directed at you or this post, but suddenly, having an extra, crappy 10 million player around is inconvenient.
Of course, some may run in here and say RJ or Obi fit that bill, we know the usual suspects.

Not sure what you mean by short on cash. It makes it through the trade checker.

If you are talking about the Knicks cap after it well, Fournier and Randle are still problem contracts but hopefully a season with the better ball handlers in Mitchell and Brunson will allow those two guys to look better so can be moved without as much of an issue.

Not sure who you are talking about the crappy $10 million player is unless it's just your normal cynical view of the Knicks youth.

[Chanel Bomber]

Reading these constant RJ bashings is like The Tribulations of Job!

Randle gets his fair share too, but he already got his extension so the damage is done. Folks don't see it as hate or bashing Randle because they mostly agree with the criticism. They both sucked last year, and the stats demonstrate that it was not anybody else's fault. They were practically indistinguishable in terms of impact, usage and inefficiency.

Now RJ and Randle are indistinguishable?

You’re scraping the bottom of your barrel sonny boy

I could bring up the stats but you admittedly don't care about them so it seems rather pointless.

[Madskillzz024]

Just in case:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He’s really good imo

Yup and Dmitch would push for him to come

Def will be a decent Obi replacement

He’s also good friends with Brunson from their Nova days. That’s how Brunson and Spida became friends

[thebuzzardman]

Welp....

Watch on YouTube

[thebuzzardman]

Mitchell for

Rose
Reddish
Grimes
McBride
6 first rounders

Is Ainge going to get a better package of picks than that? No
He gets one real promising young player with 3 years of rookie contract control left and another who looks solid with the same contractual state.
A flyer on Cam who still might be able to be flipped for something during the season.
Plus no big long term money, they can negotiate a buyout if they don't even want to keep Rose around.

That's the final offer. It's is an overpay by the Knicks but they still have enough talent, youth and picks to adjust the roster around the core plus get and keep the guys they wanted.

Meetch/Hart/Sims
Randle/Obi
RJ/Hunt
Mitchell/Fournier
Brunson/IQ

Ainge can go into the rebuild with adding almost a dozen first rounders and a few young players puffing out his chest because he raked in the draft assets to jump start the process.

I'm not totally convinced it's the right thing to do but that is the top dollar price I'd want to see the Knicks pay and permit myself the wait and see attitude for it all.

Don't make us wait a month or two for it to happen though, that would be the worst.

It's a little short on cash.
Not directed at you or this post, but suddenly, having an extra, crappy 10 million player around is inconvenient.
Of course, some may run in here and say RJ or Obi fit that bill, we know the usual suspects.

Not sure what you mean by short on cash. It makes it through the trade checker.

If you are talking about the Knicks cap after it well, Fournier and Randle are still problem contracts but hopefully a season with the better ball handlers in Mitchell and Brunson will allow those two guys to look better so can be moved without as much of an issue.

Not sure who you are talking about the crappy $10 million player is unless it's just your normal cynical view of the Knicks youth.

The crappy player comment is about sometimes it's good to have a spare Kemba or Noel on the roster for trading purposes.
Everyone hated those contracts, and well, they should, as it could be extra $ 10 million players who are spare, more combinations to make a trade work.

There are a bunch of combinations to make the Mitchell trade work anyway, especially if as low as Rose/Cam works as the bulk of the $
Does it still work if you take out Grimes?

[thebuzzardman]

Paschall is a UFA; If Mitchell is a Knick, this guy absolutely coming.

Well, since it's all talking and pretend on here, would be interesting if the Knicks PF tandem was Obi/Paschall

But, again, seems pretty clear several people in the Knicks FO like Randal and Jazz aren't going to want Randal's contract anyway.
And 3 team trade seems unrealistic but they do happen.

Anyway, this seems like a great story, he's a good player, Villanova guys make great pros lately, but I'd hate to lose Obi.

Then again, I'd hate to lose IQ or Grimes and some combination of these guys, singularly or in a pair, is going.