Build a Franchise (Season 6)- Discussion Thread continued

NewEra · Post #1841 » by **NewEra** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:50 pm

bishnykfan wrote:

Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

Post #1842 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:29 pm

NewEra wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:

Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

Celtics 51 31 Nuggets 26 56
Nets 49 33 Timberwolves 40 42
Knicks 33 49 Thunder 53 29
76ers 37 45 Trailblazers 56 26
Raptors 40 42 Jazz 57 25

Bulls 54 28 Warriors 52 30
Cavaliers 34 48 Clippers 39 43
Pistons 52 30 Lakers 19 63
Pacers 26 56 Suns 41 41
Bucks 48 34 Kings 46 36

Hawks 43 39 Mavericks 58 24
Hornets 36 46 Rockets 21 61
Heat 30 52 Grizzlies 34 48
Magic 26 56 Pelicans 28 54
Wizards 50 32 Spurs 51 31

I saw this in the season 2 thread. It looks like records. Looks like dallas had the most wins with 58 edging out POR by 2 games.

2010 · Post #1843 » by **2010** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:39 pm

It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

E-Balla · Post #1844 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:41 pm

NewEra wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:

Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

This is one issue with the sim. RNG determines some things but when teams are as overpowered as the top teams in BAF most years you can't beat em. Injuries are also way less common than IRL.

If tanking teams tried to compete it'd be different, I've been trying to think up of ways to make the tanking teams want to compete more. Some rule changes to incentivize the treadmill (of course outside of completely revamping the way we do FA ratings).

NewEra · Post #1845 » by **NewEra** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:42 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
NewEra wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:

Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

Celtics 51 31 Nuggets 26 56
Nets 49 33 Timberwolves 40 42
Knicks 33 49 Thunder 53 29
76ers 37 45 Trailblazers 56 26
Raptors 40 42 Jazz 57 25

Bulls 54 28 Warriors 52 30
Cavaliers 34 48 Clippers 39 43
Pistons 52 30 Lakers 19 63
Pacers 26 56 Suns 41 41
Bucks 48 34 Kings 46 36

Hawks 43 39 Mavericks 58 24
Hornets 36 46 Rockets 21 61
Heat 30 52 Grizzlies 34 48
Magic 26 56 Pelicans 28 54
Wizards 50 32 Spurs 51 31

I saw this in the season 2 thread. It looks like records. Looks like dallas had the most wins with 58 edging out POR by 2 games.

Appreciate you looking that up. So assuming that's accurate, Dallas also had the best record the year they won the chip. It will be interesting to see if that was the same for Milwaukee in season 1. If so, then the team with the best regular season record has always won the championship.

Post #1846 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:06 pm

NewEra wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
NewEra wrote:Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

Celtics 51 31 Nuggets 26 56
Nets 49 33 Timberwolves 40 42
Knicks 33 49 Thunder 53 29
76ers 37 45 Trailblazers 56 26
Raptors 40 42 Jazz 57 25

Bulls 54 28 Warriors 52 30
Cavaliers 34 48 Clippers 39 43
Pistons 52 30 Lakers 19 63
Pacers 26 56 Suns 41 41
Bucks 48 34 Kings 46 36

Hawks 43 39 Mavericks 58 24
Hornets 36 46 Rockets 21 61
Heat 30 52 Grizzlies 34 48
Magic 26 56 Pelicans 28 54
Wizards 50 32 Spurs 51 31

I saw this in the season 2 thread. It looks like records. Looks like dallas had the most wins with 58 edging out POR by 2 games.

Appreciate you looking that up. So assuming that's accurate, Dallas also had the best record the year they won the chip. It will be interesting to see if that was the same for Milwaukee in season 1. If so, then the team with the best regular season record has always won the championship.

I think the trend we are seeing that it was a bit more competitive throughout the league early. We were so use to those BAT days so everyone tried to build out a winner outside of maybe 1 or 2 teams that went completely young. As the seasons have progressed and the draft became a valuable rebuilding tool you can see that the 50 win teams went 60 win teams that now are even at 70 win teams and those 40 win teams went to 30 and then under 20. And now you have more teams picking a future direction where its nearly a qtr of the league that is not trying to compete.

Post #1847 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:09 pm

E-Balla wrote:
NewEra wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:

Bish/ BaF historians,
Please help me with this one. Has a #2 seed or lower ever won a chip? Has it always been the team with the best regular season record to win it all?

Season 1 Champs- Milwaukee Bucks- ?
Season 2 Champs- Dallas Mavericks- ?
Season 3 Champs- Golden State Warriors (#1 seed. 64-18. Best record in the league)
Season 4 Champs- Cleveland Cavaliers (#1 seed. 67-15. Best record in the league)
Season 5 Champs- San Antonio Spurs (#1 seed. 72-10. Best record in the league)

I'm unable to view the standings for seasons one and two. Thanks.

This is one issue with the sim. RNG determines some things but when teams are as overpowered as the top teams in BAF most years you can't beat em. Injuries are also way less common than IRL.

If tanking teams tried to compete it'd be different, I've been trying to think up of ways to make the tanking teams want to compete more. Some rule changes to incentivize the treadmill (of course outside of completely revamping the way we do FA ratings).

the biggest separation in talent is the amount of teams that aren't trying to compete. You have a good portion of the league that doesn't have interest in signing vet FA's...so those just go to the better teams on cheaper then normal deals because the tanking teams don't want to add any wins.

So the talent pool is kinda forced into less teams making the gap between certain teams larger then it originally was.

Post #1848 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:14 pm

2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

True, but the NBA does follow somewhat of a similar path in terms of predictability to some extent. Like this year could be different because we don't have a super team in the NBA.

But when the Warriors were in there run they were a luck to make the finals and favs to win. Any team with LeBron in the east was a lock to make the finals too. So I do feel real life NBA is pretty anticlimactic when you have teams far superior in talent.

Smash3 · Post #1849 » by **Smash3** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:46 pm

2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

We beat the 1st seed as the 8th seed in season 1 so it’s possible.

2010 · Post #1850 » by **2010** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:48 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

True, but the NBA does follow somewhat of a similar path in terms of predictability to some extent. Like this year could be different because we don't have a super team in the NBA.

But when the Warriors were in there run they were a luck to make the finals and favs to win. Any team with LeBron in the east was a lock to make the finals too. So I do feel real life NBA is pretty anticlimactic when you have teams far superior in talent.

I don’t have time, but could any of you track upsets in the early rounds as well? Cuz if they are not found with any regularity there either, then it becomes deeper than just a Finals issue and to me would indicate a systematic flaw.

2010 · Post #1851 » by **2010** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:51 pm

Smash3 wrote:
2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

We beat the 1st seed as the 8th seed in season 1 so it’s possible.

Oh ok, so you just added some clarity to my latest question. So that’s one upset in the early rounds.

I also upset Philly in the 1st round last season as well. But we were pretty evenly matched. Philly won the division in the regular season on a tie breaker. I think I won the playoff round in 5 (iirc). Someone fact check me please.

Anyone else with an upset case study?

Smash3 · Post #1852 » by **Smash3** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:51 pm

Upsets are def possible, season 1 we we made it to the conference finals as the eight seed. Season 4 we beat the 1 seed in NOP. It’s rare but it’s possible.

Post #1853 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:56 pm

Smash3 wrote:
2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

We beat the 1st seed as the 8th seed in season 1 so it’s possible.

even last year our series was extremely close. it was tied 2-2 and game 5 we both had double digit leads and game 6 was a 111-110. That series was essentially a toss up how I saw it. So I don't think just because I was the #1 seed I was winning it all I knew our series was going to be tight.

HCA def gives an advantage...I don't know how much but that is why we were battling to the last day which could have flipped the results last year.

Post #1854 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:56 pm

2010 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
2010 wrote:It’s pretty anticlimactic if the trend indicates that the favorites always win. I mean, who doesn’t love an underdog or Cinderella story? So pretty much what it looks like is whichever teams has the most regular season wins is guaranteed the ring? Kinda boring and takes some of the anticipation out of the playoffs.

True, but the NBA does follow somewhat of a similar path in terms of predictability to some extent. Like this year could be different because we don't have a super team in the NBA.

But when the Warriors were in there run they were a luck to make the finals and favs to win. Any team with LeBron in the east was a lock to make the finals too. So I do feel real life NBA is pretty anticlimactic when you have teams far superior in talent.

I don’t have time, but could any of you track upsets in the early rounds as well? Cuz if they are not found with any regularity there either, then it becomes deeper than just a Finals issue and to me would indicate a systematic flaw.

Golden State beat me last year and we had like 8-9 more wins. They also knocked out Gobert.

bishnykfan · Post #1855 » by **bishnykfan** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:59 pm

NewEra wrote:

2010 wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

Capn'O wrote:

First Round

#1- 10-0
#2- 8-2
#3- 7-3
#4- 1-9
#5- 9-1
#6- 3-7
#7- 2-8
#8- 0-10

Conference Semi Finals

#1- 8-2
#2- 7-1
#3- 1-6
#4- 0-1
#5- 2-7
#6- 0-3
#7- 2-0

Conference Finals

#1- 5-3
#2- 3-4
#3- 0-1
#5- 2-0
#7- 0-2

Finals

#1- 4-1
#2- 1-2
#5- 0-2

Team with the better record in Finals is 5-0

Spoiler:

ribs · Post #1856 » by **ribs** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:09 am

5 seed being 9-1 vs the 4 seed is very weird lol.

2010 · Post #1857 » by **2010** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:53 am

4th seed is bad omen. :lol:

Buzzard · Post #1858 » by **Buzzard** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:37 am

A win is a win. Siakam played great. DrRozan was efficient. OO with 15 points and 13 boards was solid. No complaints. GSW/NE is up next.

Good game EZMoney/76ers

ribs · Post #1859 » by **ribs** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:41 am

8 point loss to Cleveland where we went 9 for 36 from 3.

I'll take that.

Post #1860 » by **SOUL** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:01 am

Repping the Kings colors