OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

NBC asked Harris tonight if she was willing to make religious concessions on abortion rights to gain Republican votes.

Her answer was no, we should not make concessions when it comes in regards to bodily autonomy.

The neat part about minding your own business is that if you have a religious reason to not have an abortion, you are free to not have an abortion.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Why was the title for this thread changed?

I have asked the OP but he keeps dodging the answer. He's a trump supporter and he can't handle the truth? I don't know but, maybe he will answer you instead.

I think that your question was answered already.

With silence?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Lot’s of new eyes/votes coming and they know it.
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Meanwhile in Kamala land.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Why was the title for this thread changed?

I have asked the OP but he keeps dodging the answer. He's a trump supporter and he can't handle the truth? I don't know but, maybe he will answer you instead.

I think that your question was answered already.

Well??????????? What was the answer?

[MrDollarBills]

I have asked the OP but he keeps dodging the answer. He's a trump supporter and he can't handle the truth? I don't know but, maybe he will answer you instead.

I think that your question was answered already.

With silence?

Silence often speaks loudly.

[Hatrick Ewing]

When somebody doesn't respond to your post you should definitely put words in their mouth.

Also, No Limit - 2 Unlimited.

[Stannis]

No Cornel West or Jill Stein in the poll?

[ScienceOfLosing]

NBC asked Harris tonight if she was willing to make religious concessions on abortion rights to gain Republican votes.

Her answer was no, we should not make concessions when it comes in regards to bodily autonomy.

The neat part about minding your own business is that if you have a religious reason to not have an abortion, you are free to not have an abortion.

I don’t want to stop anothers decision but at what point is a baby not a body? When can it be born (early) and live?
Outside of a medical emergency, aborting a baby that can live outside the womb (5 months or so?) seems the autonomy of the other living soul. At that point it is clearly a living being.

Seems like we are conflating medical emergencies or something to save the mother with abortion (as a form of birth control in general.)
And we replace one word with another to help us feel good about our acts. An abortion at 6 months as a form of birth control is murder.
Many blacks see it as such since Margarit Singer of planned parenthood, set out to reduce the black population. Actually, she used the word “exterminate.” See video On page prior I posted on black preachers speaking of this.

[St Knick]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah sure.


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https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-analyst-tells-panicky-dems-gop-is-creating-fake-polls-desperate-unhinged-trumpian.html

As polls seem to indicate that former president Donald Trump has momentum in some swing states with 24 days remaining until the Nov. 5 presidential election, Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg says: Don’t buy it.

About a month ago, Rosenberg predicted that a slew of polls by Republican organizations would flood the zone, showing Trump leading — and, like clockwork, it has happened.

The purpose is two-fold, Rosenberg said: To excite Trump’s base and discourage Vice President Kamala Harris’ supporters, while also providing Trump with ammunition to say the election was rigged if he loses.

In a tweet thread, Rosenberg explained:

“Of last 15 general election polls released in PA, 12 have right/GOP affiliations. Their campaign to game the polling averages and make it appear like Trump is winning — when he isn’t — escalated in last few days.

“I urge journalists and researchers to dive into FiveThirtyEight and see how the red wave pollsters have flooded the zone again. MT, PA, NC were initial targets but now it’s all 7 battleground states.

“This 2024 red wave op is much larger and involves many more actors and polls than the red wave campaign in 2022. It also involves new players — Polymarket, Elon — and feels far more desperate, frenetic, unhinged. Trumpian.”

Rosenberg pointed to a New York Times autopsy on the 2022 midterm elections: “The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative.”

Rosenberg correctly assessed that the "red wave" of 2022 that never happened was due to media fear mongering and junk GOP polling in real time.

Republicans have been consistently losing since 2018 and their platform has become more racist and unhinged since then. Do with that what you will.

[MrDollarBills]

NBC asked Harris tonight if she was willing to make religious concessions on abortion rights to gain Republican votes.

Her answer was no, we should not make concessions when it comes in regards to bodily autonomy.

The neat part about minding your own business is that if you have a religious reason to not have an abortion, you are free to not have an abortion.

I don’t want to stop anothers decision but at what point is a baby not a body? When can it be born (early) and live?
Outside of a medical emergency, aborting a baby that can live outside the womb (5 months or so?) seems the autonomy of the other living soul. At that point it is clearly a living being.

Seems like we are conflating medical emergencies or something to save the mother with abortion (as a form of birth control in general.)
And we replace one word with another to help us feel good about our acts. An abortion at 6 months as a form of birth control is murder.
Many blacks see it as such since Margarit Singer of planned parenthood, set out to reduce the black population. Actually, she used the word “exterminate.” See video On page prior I posted on black preachers speaking of this.

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

[MrDollarBills]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

[Kampuchea]

Trump winning the realgm Knicks poll, not a good sign for the Democrats.

[St Knick]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

I think we're way past the point of stories being corroborated in most mainstream news outlets. If you believe all these stories are corroborated and that the "journalism" industry is not captured by (insert entities that aren't aligned with public interest), then I got a bridge to sell you.

Maybe that was true (or appeared to be?) at some point in the past, but not anymore. The journalism industry is basically the activist industry now. True journalists are few and far between, and almsot exclusively independent (on substack, X, et al).

[Pointgod]

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

I think we're way past the point of stories being corroborated in most mainstream news outlets. If you believe all these stories are corroborated and that the "journalism" industry is not captured by (insert entities that aren't aligned with public interest), then I got a bridge to sell you.

Maybe that was true (or appeared to be?) at some point in the past, but not anymore. The journalism industry is basically the activist industry now. True journalists are few and far between, and almsot exclusively independent (on substack, X, et al).

So in this example where you have someone from Trump’s administration on tape saying that the man falls into the definition of Facist you believe that there’s no way to get to the truth?

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[ScienceOfLosing]

NBC asked Harris tonight if she was willing to make religious concessions on abortion rights to gain Republican votes.

Her answer was no, we should not make concessions when it comes in regards to bodily autonomy.

The neat part about minding your own business is that if you have a religious reason to not have an abortion, you are free to not have an abortion.

I don’t want to stop anothers decision but at what point is a baby not a body? When can it be born (early) and live?
Outside of a medical emergency, aborting a baby that can live outside the womb (5 months or so?) seems the autonomy of the other living soul. At that point it is clearly a living being.

Seems like we are conflating medical emergencies or something to save the mother with abortion (as a form of birth control in general.)
And we replace one word with another to help us feel good about our acts. An abortion at 6 months as a form of birth control is murder.
Many blacks see it as such since Margarit Singer of planned parenthood, set out to reduce the black population. Actually, she used the word “exterminate.” See video On page prior I posted on black preachers speaking of this.

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

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[St Knick]

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

I think we're way past the point of stories being corroborated in most mainstream news outlets. If you believe all these stories are corroborated and that the "journalism" industry is not captured by (insert entities that aren't aligned with public interest), then I got a bridge to sell you.

Maybe that was true (or appeared to be?) at some point in the past, but not anymore. The journalism industry is basically the activist industry now. True journalists are few and far between, and almsot exclusively independent (on substack, X, et al).

So in this example where you have someone from Trump’s administration on tape saying that the man falls into the definition of Facist you believe that there’s no way to get to the truth?

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Not sure of the point your making in, i think you missed my point.
This last quote was simply challenging MrDollarBills assertion that all journalism is strictly corroborated before being green lit/printer and that it's journalism. The impliciation, i take it, is to trust what journalists (nytimes, latimes, washingtonpost, etc etc etc) report is 100% factually true and reported in a clear, unbiased-as-possible manner.

[Jalen Bluntson]

When somebody doesn't respond to your post you should definitely put words in their mouth.

Also, No Limit - 2 Unlimited.

I didn't put words in anyone's mouth. I asked questions. Big difference