Thibs needs to go

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Not sure if this has been posted but spot on

G6 we still looked lost how to defend them in transition, wide open kick out 3s, wide open breakway dunks

Cultural change embrace a sharper more detailed oriented brand of bball... we lost because we're undisciplined not because we didn't have the talent to hang with the Pacers

Be more willing to use bench, from Day 1 we're running a 9-10 man rotation

We looked sloppy, and no sloppy team wins a championship, not 24 Celtics, not 23 Nugz, not 22 Warriors, 21 Bucks, 20 Lakers

Thibs you're damn right we have a big offseason, starting with you my man !!

[The KnicksFix]

You are always going to blame Thibs for everything when the players themselves say they love him and reports are coming out that they have been frustrated with KAT all season. Put some responsibility on the players.

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Look man. What I’m saying is this. I’m a doctor. If a patient comes in with a lung problem and I do what I think is best for the patient, but the patient dies, even though I don’t even bother to consult a pulmonologist, whose fault is it?
If I don’t try to do everything to save that patient, and I keep trying the same thing over and over which isn’t working, who’s fault is it?

We can sit here and point the finger at KAT, yes his defense has been appalling. But you know who else has been appalling? Hart has fell asleep and been burnt on defense time and time again, and hasn’t hit consistent 3’s since January. Brunson, though he tries, gets posted up on the block or blown by. Where was the zone defense?? Where was any sort of an offensive system to get us easy shots other than grind it down shots late in the shot clock.

Brunson loves him because it’s family ties. But just because you’re cool with someone doesn’t mean they should be your boss or coworker. You don’t mix family with business. So it’s either give Thibs the kind of team he can coach. Or get a coach who can work with the players he has.

They'll probably change the players before they change the coach, Brunson and Hart got Thibs' back.

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If we are banking on Hart to keep up his style of play that doesn’t age well, then Brooklyn got some more bridges to sell us.

If we keep Thibs. We can’t keep Kat. And vice versa. Though I think we won’t win with Thibs ever.

[JayTWill]

You are always going to blame Thibs for everything when the players themselves say they love him and reports are coming out that they have been frustrated with KAT all season. Put some responsibility on the players.

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Look man. What I’m saying is this. I’m a doctor. If a patient comes in with a lung problem and I do what I think is best for the patient, but the patient dies, even though I don’t even bother to consult a pulmonologist, whose fault is it?
If I don’t try to do everything to save that patient, and I keep trying the same thing over and over which isn’t working, who’s fault is it?

We can sit here and point the finger at KAT, yes his defense has been appalling. But you know who else has been appalling? Hart has fell asleep and been burnt on defense time and time again, and hasn’t hit consistent 3’s since January. Brunson, though he tries, gets posted up on the block or blown by. Where was the zone defense?? Where was any sort of an offensive system to get us easy shots other than grind it down shots late in the shot clock.

Brunson loves him because it’s family ties. But just because you’re cool with someone doesn’t mean they should be your boss or coworker. You don’t mix family with business. So it’s either give Thibs the kind of team he can coach. Or get a coach who can work with the players he has.

They'll probably change the players before they change the coach, Brunson and Hart got Thibs' back.

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I'm not saying what Brunson is saying isn't how he truly feels but what exactly do you expect a professional player of his nature to say about his current coach and someone he has known his entire life? Outside of the leaked audio I don't even know if I have ever heard Obi say anything negative about Thibs.

[Gravy]

Look man. What I’m saying is this. I’m a doctor. If a patient comes in with a lung problem and I do what I think is best for the patient, but the patient dies, even though I don’t even bother to consult a pulmonologist, whose fault is it?
If I don’t try to do everything to save that patient, and I keep trying the same thing over and over which isn’t working, who’s fault is it?

We can sit here and point the finger at KAT, yes his defense has been appalling. But you know who else has been appalling? Hart has fell asleep and been burnt on defense time and time again, and hasn’t hit consistent 3’s since January. Brunson, though he tries, gets posted up on the block or blown by. Where was the zone defense?? Where was any sort of an offensive system to get us easy shots other than grind it down shots late in the shot clock.

Brunson loves him because it’s family ties. But just because you’re cool with someone doesn’t mean they should be your boss or coworker. You don’t mix family with business. So it’s either give Thibs the kind of team he can coach. Or get a coach who can work with the players he has.

They'll probably change the players before they change the coach, Brunson and Hart got Thibs' back.

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I'm not saying what Brunson is saying isn't how he truly feels but what exactly do you expect a professional player of his nature to say about his current coach and someone he has known his entire life? Outside of the leaked audio I don't even know if I have ever heard Obi say anything negative about Thibs.

He said the same thing last year and he sounds like he really means it. The Athletic said Thibodeau "has the backing of team president Leon Rose" and "full buy-in" from star guard Jalen Brunson.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200954-tom-thibodeau-reportedly-has-support-jalen-brunson-leon-rose-after-knicks-loss

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[JayTWill]

They'll probably change the players before they change the coach, Brunson and Hart got Thibs' back.

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I'm not saying what Brunson is saying isn't how he truly feels but what exactly do you expect a professional player of his nature to say about his current coach and someone he has known his entire life? Outside of the leaked audio I don't even know if I have ever heard Obi say anything negative about Thibs.

He said the same thing last year and he sounds like he really means it. The Athletic said Thibodeau "has the backing of team president Leon Rose" and "full buy-in" from star guard Jalen Brunson.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200954-tom-thibodeau-reportedly-has-support-jalen-brunson-leon-rose-after-knicks-loss

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Interesting tweet. “Thibs is the reason why, night in and night out, we fight to the best of our abilities.” Do you think that quote applies to this year's team also?

[Ravenxvirall]

I'm not saying what Brunson is saying isn't how he truly feels but what exactly do you expect a professional player of his nature to say about his current coach and someone he has known his entire life? Outside of the leaked audio I don't even know if I have ever heard Obi say anything negative about Thibs.

He said the same thing last year and he sounds like he really means it. The Athletic said Thibodeau "has the backing of team president Leon Rose" and "full buy-in" from star guard Jalen Brunson.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200954-tom-thibodeau-reportedly-has-support-jalen-brunson-leon-rose-after-knicks-loss

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Interesting tweet. “Thibs is the reason why, night in and night out, we fight to the best of our abilities.” Do you think that quote applies to this year's team also?

Well we looked like we gave up in the second half of game 6. I certainly hope that wasn’t our guys best effort.

[Montmorencie]

Only let him go if we land Giannis, Luka, Zion or heliocentric player like this. With the current group or even slightly modified you cannot find better coach than Thibs. No coach is winning with this group of players, you guys come back to Earth.

[NoStatsGuy]

You act as if you know the guy is staying. All I’m saying is people within the organization were talking and continued to notice his head scratching decisions. Kolek and huk are the most expensive second round players ever yet got minimal or no playing time over the year. Whether or not you want to realize it, it’s been posted and talked about by Knick content creators such as KFTV who are represented by CAA and those who are funded by Dolan that “Thibs is coaching on thin ice”. Of course Thibs will look like an amazing coach but when you wake up and before you Type anything , ask yourself if the offense you saw here was not the same offense you saw in years past with Randle and Payton. Randle and rose. That means THERES A LACK OF ADAPTABILITY.

His lack of adjustments costed us THE SERIES. PERIOD. so before you continue to yap, and type as if you know something, just stop and get help while you can. His job is not as solid and certain as you think. There have been rumblings from within the front office about constructing a roster for him to not only not play it, but risk injury to his starting 5 who he overplayed.

As for the bolded part of your statement, he’s not even in the top 10 of coaches and it ain’t even close. Spo. Atkinson. Udoka. Kerr. Daigenault. Finch. Carlisle. Nick Nurse. Tyronn Lue. And the list doesn’t include Malone and Bud who coached the majority of the season last year with their respective teams. That doesn’t put him in the top third of the league. That puts him in the second third which makes him MEDIOCRE. If you really think he’s one of the better coaches in the league, I again, suggest you stop typing and maybe reassess your basketball analysis, Because you’re going to “keep riding with him” to mediocrity.

I can almost guarantee that you have been watching ball for about 25 years or less, and because you’ve had success with him as your coach, your sticking to him because that’s the only success you know. That’s not how you win a ring and that’s not how life works, bud.

Who the heck watches KFTV?

Serious question. Not trying to sound snarky, but do you actually watch KFTV or other Knick content creators? CP is very connected as some other posters have noted. CP was calling the KAT trade shortly after the OG trade in December 2023. He also said we were trying to move off the RJ and quick contracts, which was why RJ was signed for an extension. These forums are not the only place to grow a knowledge and understanding of the team’s direction. Actually realgm is probably the last place I go to, KFTV is first. As CP has stated. Thibs is on thin ice and Malone is not a candidate they are looking at.

you dont know the difference between calling a trade and speculating about players. KFTV doesnt know whats going on behind the scenes. he sometimes makes good educated guesses. thats it.

you are obsessed with this guy holy moly

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I'm not saying what Brunson is saying isn't how he truly feels but what exactly do you expect a professional player of his nature to say about his current coach and someone he has known his entire life? Outside of the leaked audio I don't even know if I have ever heard Obi say anything negative about Thibs.

He said the same thing last year and he sounds like he really means it. The Athletic said Thibodeau "has the backing of team president Leon Rose" and "full buy-in" from star guard Jalen Brunson.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200954-tom-thibodeau-reportedly-has-support-jalen-brunson-leon-rose-after-knicks-loss

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Interesting tweet. “Thibs is the reason why, night in and night out, we fight to the best of our abilities.” Do you think that quote applies to this year's team also?

They fight hard but some of the roster flaws are too difficult to overcome. The bench needs more talent and the defense of the starters needs work or different personnel.

[HopelessKnick]

What the players or the FO says right now shouldn't be taken too seriously. There is a chance they bring Thibs back but they are likely weighing potential options.

For me one of the understated downsides of bringing Thibs back is that it will create the sort of atmosphere that will make success next season super difficult. A large part of media and fanbase are openly questioning Thibs and looking at him very critically. Going with this type of vibe into the new season puts next season into severe jeopardy. I have watched pro-sports for 30 years and not just basketball. Once a coach has reached the problematic standing that Thibs has at this point there is usually no recovery from it.

Teams sometimes delay an inevitable change for a season or two, but in almost all cases the coach is finally replaced and the outcome of the delay almost never is positive.

[HopelessKnick]

He said the same thing last year and he sounds like he really means it. The Athletic said Thibodeau "has the backing of team president Leon Rose" and "full buy-in" from star guard Jalen Brunson.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200954-tom-thibodeau-reportedly-has-support-jalen-brunson-leon-rose-after-knicks-loss

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Interesting tweet. “Thibs is the reason why, night in and night out, we fight to the best of our abilities.” Do you think that quote applies to this year's team also?

They fight hard but some of the roster flaws are too difficult to overcome. The bench needs more talent and the defense of the starters needs work or different personnel.

Brunson and KAT are what they are on defense. I think it wouldn't be smart or prudent to hold out hope for any sort of significant improvement there. KAT played a good season and had a good playoff run. He has only 2 years on his contract---this is the right moment to look at a trade. There is really no realistic scenario where we can be a consistantly good defensive team with him and Brunson on the court together.

[The KnicksFix]

Who the heck watches KFTV?

Serious question. Not trying to sound snarky, but do you actually watch KFTV or other Knick content creators? CP is very connected as some other posters have noted. CP was calling the KAT trade shortly after the OG trade in December 2023. He also said we were trying to move off the RJ and quick contracts, which was why RJ was signed for an extension. These forums are not the only place to grow a knowledge and understanding of the team’s direction. Actually realgm is probably the last place I go to, KFTV is first. As CP has stated. Thibs is on thin ice and Malone is not a candidate they are looking at.

you dont know the difference between calling a trade and speculating about players. KFTV doesnt know whats going on behind the scenes. he sometimes makes good educated guesses. thats it.

you are obsessed with this guy holy moly

Like I told you yesterday you should actually think before you post. CP is Dolan’s schilling and called the Kat trade over a year before it happened. It’s not speculation when he’s actually funded by Dolan and CAA. He also said they were trying to come off of quick and rj’s contract then the OG trade happens

you said Thibs is a top tier coach
I legit listed ten coaches better and you still can’t counter
I asked you how long have you been watching the Knicks and you still can’t Even answer that. It seems like your best counter is “but but but they’re gonna keep Thibs”. Ask yourself if you seriously think Thibs can win you a ring.

I see your location is Germany and based on the timing of your posts you’re definitely posting from Germany. Which means you have no clue about the 90s Knicks and their success. This also goes to show why you have no clue about content creators in the US and are willing to settle for mediocrity because you’ve only know thibs to be your only winning coach. For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

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[The KnicksFix]

Who the heck watches KFTV?

Serious question. Not trying to sound snarky, but do you actually watch KFTV or other Knick content creators? CP is very connected as some other posters have noted. CP was calling the KAT trade shortly after the OG trade in December 2023. He also said we were trying to move off the RJ and quick contracts, which was why RJ was signed for an extension. These forums are not the only place to grow a knowledge and understanding of the team’s direction. Actually realgm is probably the last place I go to, KFTV is first. As CP has stated. Thibs is on thin ice and Malone is not a candidate they are looking at.

you dont know the difference between calling a trade and speculating about players. KFTV doesnt know whats going on behind the scenes. he sometimes makes good educated guesses. thats it.

you are obsessed with this guy holy moly

By the way. Why are you quoting my question to another poster. Are you him? Is he you? Or are you just obsessed with me? I know you like my posts bro, you don’t have to do all this. Other posters gonna get jelly with all the attention you’re giving me. A simple and1 to my post will suffice. Maybe try to focus on the questions I’m asking you before trying to involve yourself in a convo I’m having with another poster first. But like I keep saying make sure you stop and get help while you still can first.

[Ravenxvirall]

Serious question. Not trying to sound snarky, but do you actually watch KFTV or other Knick content creators? CP is very connected as some other posters have noted. CP was calling the KAT trade shortly after the OG trade in December 2023. He also said we were trying to move off the RJ and quick contracts, which was why RJ was signed for an extension. These forums are not the only place to grow a knowledge and understanding of the team’s direction. Actually realgm is probably the last place I go to, KFTV is first. As CP has stated. Thibs is on thin ice and Malone is not a candidate they are looking at.

you dont know the difference between calling a trade and speculating about players. KFTV doesnt know whats going on behind the scenes. he sometimes makes good educated guesses. thats it.

you are obsessed with this guy holy moly

By the way. Why are you quoting my question to another poster. Are you him? Is he you? Or are you just obsessed with me? I know you like my posts bro, you don’t have to do all this. A simple and1 to my post will suffice. Maybe try to focus on the questions I’m asking you before trying to involve yourself in a convo I’m having with another poster first. But like I keep asking make sure you stop and get help while you still can first.

This **** got crazy fast. We need to be talking about how this team is looking in 3-4 months

[NoStatsGuy]

Serious question. Not trying to sound snarky, but do you actually watch KFTV or other Knick content creators? CP is very connected as some other posters have noted. CP was calling the KAT trade shortly after the OG trade in December 2023. He also said we were trying to move off the RJ and quick contracts, which was why RJ was signed for an extension. These forums are not the only place to grow a knowledge and understanding of the team’s direction. Actually realgm is probably the last place I go to, KFTV is first. As CP has stated. Thibs is on thin ice and Malone is not a candidate they are looking at.

you dont know the difference between calling a trade and speculating about players. KFTV doesnt know whats going on behind the scenes. he sometimes makes good educated guesses. thats it.

you are obsessed with this guy holy moly

Like I told you yesterday you should actually think before you post. CP is Dolan’s schilling and called the Kat trade over a year before it happened. It’s not speculation when he’s actually funded by Dolan and CAA. He also said they were trying to come off of quick and rj’s contract then the OG trade happens

you said Thibs is a top tier coach
I legit listed ten coaches better and you still can’t counter
I asked you how long have you been watching the Knicks and you still can’t Even answer that. It seems like your best counter is “but but but they’re gonna keep Thibs”. Ask yourself if you seriously think Thibs can win you a ring.

I see your location is Germany and based on the timing of your posts you’re definitely posting from Germany. Which means you have no clue about the 90s Knicks and their success. This also goes to show why you have no clue about content creators in the US and are willing to settle for mediocrity because you’ve only know thibs to be your only winning coach. For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

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you are a lost cause my guy. and you still dont know the difference between speculation and actually reporting. if shams and all those guys dont have insight KFTV sure as heck doesnt have insight.

i dont need to "counter" your list of coaches, because its pointless to debate with you. i also think its pretty funny how you type about your guy CP right now. when you call in you all over his nuts.

and i certainly dont need to defend my fandom, im a fan since around 99/00 because im a young guy you know. of course i havent lived through the 90s knicks like older people have. And now? whats your point? i have literally seen almost every game, especially the big ones since then and i also watched many many games back from the 94 run, etc. i probably been in the garden more often than you aswell.

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[knicks94]

Thibs’ next career accomplishment should be winning coach of the year with the Charlotte Hornets.

[Jonathan2347]

The question is, you keep Thibs. You can't keep KAT. KAT was an all star starter and put up great numbers. If you were to trade him, what is his actually value?

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[MrDollarBills]

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Stubborn is knowing that the starting 5 is a massive negative and waiting until the ECF to change it.

Stubborn is not playing the bench at all during the season and then pivoting to playing them in the ECF when his hand is forced.

Tom's not gonna get fired but I pray to god that people in the building start pointing this out and push for Tom to change his approach. Because we will lose again next season if he's doing this stuff again.

Everyone should be evaluated. Not just Karl Anthony Towns. Everyone.

[Grinditout]

Fwiw the Pacers are not a great defensive team and just made the Finals. The FO needs to make a decision on what they want this team's main identity to be, then from there move on from KAT or Thibs.