2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[KnicksGadfly]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

nah that ship has sailed. Beasley's a lot more effective than Melo nowadays,

[Wololo]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

I'd that in a hearbeat. Then buyout Melo so he can join his buddies in Houston or wherever he wants.

By next summer you have (If I'm not mistaken):

Noah - 19,3 (expiring - can be stretched if needed)
Porzingis - 7,5 (cap hold pending extension)
Ntilikina - 4,9
2018&2019 1st rounds - Around 8-9
2018&2019 2nd rounds
Dotson? Burke? Troy Williams?
Lance Thomas - 1M guaranteed

With a projected salary cap of 108 millions that's a bunch of space. Even if you miss the big names you can grab guys like Rozier and Khris Middleton, be competitive AND still have enough assets to make possible a trade for another player like Bradley Beal or McCollum.

[KnickFan33]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

nah that ship has sailed. Beasley's a lot more effective than Melo nowadays,

Who cares about effectiveness? Look at the money saved long term

[BLACKFEET 2010]

IBWetradeforJohnWall

He really comes off like a miserable guy to play with and be around. I could see Thibbs making a play for him. Or maybe a Holiday and change for him type deal? Wiggins and Tyus Jones? Jab. Parker and E.Bledsoe?
People kill Russ but his teammates seem to love the guy. Wall has similar electric talent, more bridled at that but he just seems like a total buzzkill to play next to.

[br7knicks]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

nah that ship has sailed. Beasley's a lot more effective than Melo nowadays,

Who cares about effectiveness? Look at the money saved long term

if they take noah too

[Blockwatcher]

That Melo buyout makes us prime targets. I can’t think of another team in the league who would buy him out while also trading talent

[BLACKFEET 2010]

So....
What is an Emanuel Mudiay?

Is he a piece for the future that we plan to pair with Frank to form a supersized pg duo?

Is he a guy we plan on giving a try out to but have no real plans for including him as a core piece?

Is he an asset to move draft night to move up some?

Would he be considered a sweetener piece as part of a bigger trade for a difference maker as the “young prospect” requirement to the deal?

Does he have value?
Is he negative value?
Is he a combo guard?
A pass first playmaking guard?
A shoot first guard?
A two guard?

I just wonder in coaching interviews if he’s being discussed as part of the criteria here.

I have no idea what he is after watching half a season of him. He’s still a baby and if he’s a point guard he has elite size. Watching him it didn’t look like he’s a guy that’s gonna work to reach his potential but it’s gosh awful early. Should we be patient or is it what we see is what we get with him?

[NoLayupRule]

So....
What is an Emanuel Mudiay?

Is he a piece for the future that we plan to pair with Frank to form a supersized pg duo?

Is he a guy we plan on giving a try out to but have no real plans for including him as a core piece?

Is he an asset to move draft night to move up some?

Would he be considered a sweetener piece as part of a bigger trade for a difference maker as the “young prospect” requirement to the deal?

Does he have value?
Is he negative value?
Is he a combo guard?
A pass first playmaking guard?
A shoot first guard?
A two guard?

I just wonder in coaching interviews if he’s being discussed as part of the criteria here.

I have no idea what he is after watching half a season of him. He’s still a baby and if he’s a point guard he has elite size. Watching him it didn’t look like he’s a guy that’s gonna work to reach his potential but it’s gosh awful early. Should we be patient or is it what we see is what we get with him?

I think Mudiay is a fingers crossed guy

meaning were hoping he comes into something in his contract year, somehow develops and becomes either a piece to commit to or, more likely, a guy who you can get something better when he's added to a trade

say after the wiz have a disappointing season you trade at the deadline an expiring Kanter and Mudiay for someone like Gortat and Morris

[KnicksGadfly]

Man I hope the Bucks re-sign Jabari. Brings them one step closer to the Greek Freak leaving.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Mudiay looks like backup PG at this point. Hopefully he plays in summer league and with in his game.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

So....
What is an Emanuel Mudiay?

Is he a piece for the future that we plan to pair with Frank to form a supersized pg duo?

Is he a guy we plan on giving a try out to but have no real plans for including him as a core piece?

Is he an asset to move draft night to move up some?

Would he be considered a sweetener piece as part of a bigger trade for a difference maker as the “young prospect” requirement to the deal?

Does he have value?
Is he negative value?
Is he a combo guard?
A pass first playmaking guard?
A shoot first guard?
A two guard?

I just wonder in coaching interviews if he’s being discussed as part of the criteria here.

I have no idea what he is after watching half a season of him. He’s still a baby and if he’s a point guard he has elite size. Watching him it didn’t look like he’s a guy that’s gonna work to reach his potential but it’s gosh awful early. Should we be patient or is it what we see is what we get with him?

I think Mudiay is a fingers crossed guy

meaning were hoping he comes into something in his contract year, somehow develops and becomes either a piece to commit to or, more likely, a guy who you can get something better when he's added to a trade

say after the wiz have a disappointing season you trade at the deadline an expiring Kanter and Mudiay for someone like Gortat and Morris

Good answer.
He’s such a frustrating player to watch.
He actually gets into the paint pretty easily because he’s a big powerful kid but his finishing is so bad. It’s like he anticipates contact all the time and kinda just gives up at the end of his finishes because of it, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Like bad habits all around offensively. He needs to be coached. He needs to be nastier and more physical going to the rim. He doesn’t play big when he get to the tin at all. He needs to come into camp in amazing shape like Larry said. Drink some of that Dipo or Randle juice. And work on his game from top to bottom: shooting, ball handling, footwork, etc. I really don’t remember a point guard looking as raw as dude. Frankie is light years steadier than him at point and that says a lot because Frankie is what I’d think a raw point guard looks like fresh out the womb; but I’m confident HE’s gonna be very good. Sebastian Telflair was a straight from HS guy and while he never became a star or anything close, he walked into the NBA with a certain refinement and swagger about his game from day one that Mudiay is nowhere close to having. Like I don’t know how this turns out. Do these guys improve? I can’t really think of a comparable example. Chauncey took years but he played in college and the whole deal, is Mudiay a guy that gets it at 27? Or is he out the league in 2 years? I can’t think of a single team that would have interest in him. Which is kinda crazy and sad at the same time. He might need another stint in China or something. Seriously, he needs reps. The tools are there.
He’s the forgotten man here. Seems like a good dude, a little sensitive but a good guy. I hope he can find success here or somewhere. I’m big on big point guards.

[Worst_to_First]

Saw this idea on the trade board.

Hardaway and Lee for Melo and Singler.

Thoughts?

I'd be all for it if available. We stay horrible for next year's draft, shed long term salary, and Melo fans can have their sentimental farewell (if he'd even agree to the trade).

Any trade involving OKC i think would have to involve Kanter opting in.

Along the lines of Kanter + Timmy for Melo.

Kanter's heart still seems to be in OKC and his former teammates appear to still really like him.

Timmy gives Westbrook a running mate as well.

So from the point of view of OKC it would have in essence been like a Timmy for McBuckets and Bulls 2018 2nd round pick.

[Knicksfan20]

Is there a waiting period we need to wait for to trade Kanter if he opts into his final year?

[NoLayupRule]

So....
What is an Emanuel Mudiay?

Is he a piece for the future that we plan to pair with Frank to form a supersized pg duo?

Is he a guy we plan on giving a try out to but have no real plans for including him as a core piece?

Is he an asset to move draft night to move up some?

Would he be considered a sweetener piece as part of a bigger trade for a difference maker as the “young prospect” requirement to the deal?

Does he have value?
Is he negative value?
Is he a combo guard?
A pass first playmaking guard?
A shoot first guard?
A two guard?

I just wonder in coaching interviews if he’s being discussed as part of the criteria here.

I have no idea what he is after watching half a season of him. He’s still a baby and if he’s a point guard he has elite size. Watching him it didn’t look like he’s a guy that’s gonna work to reach his potential but it’s gosh awful early. Should we be patient or is it what we see is what we get with him?

I think Mudiay is a fingers crossed guy

meaning were hoping he comes into something in his contract year, somehow develops and becomes either a piece to commit to or, more likely, a guy who you can get something better when he's added to a trade

say after the wiz have a disappointing season you trade at the deadline an expiring Kanter and Mudiay for someone like Gortat and Morris

Good answer.
He’s such a frustrating player to watch.
He actually gets into the paint pretty easily because he’s a big powerful kid but his finishing is so bad. It’s like he anticipates contact all the time and kinda just gives up at the end of his finishes because of it, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Like bad habits all around offensively. He needs to be coached. He needs to be nastier and more physical going to the rim. He doesn’t play big when he get to the tin at all. He needs to come into camp in amazing shape like Larry said. Drink some of that Dipo or Randle juice. And work on his game from top to bottom: shooting, ball handling, footwork, etc. I really don’t remember a point guard looking as raw as dude. Frankie is light years steadier than him at point and that says a lot because Frankie is what I’d think a raw point guard looks like fresh out the womb; but I’m confident HE’s gonna be very good. Sebastian Telflair was a straight from HS guy and while he never became a star or anything close, he walked into the NBA with a certain refinement and swagger about his game from day one that Mudiay is nowhere close to having. Like I don’t know how this turns out. Do these guys improve? I can’t really think of a comparable example. Chauncey took years but he played in college and the whole deal, is Mudiay a guy that gets it at 27? Or is he out the league in 2 years? I can’t think of a single team that would have interest in him. Which is kinda crazy and sad at the same time. He might need another stint in China or something. Seriously, he needs reps. The tools are there.
He’s the forgotten man here. Seems like a good dude, a little sensitive but a good guy. I hope he can find success here or somewhere. I’m big on big point guards.

I was watching nba tv last night and Riley was talking about whiteside

He was saying whiteside is a hell of a player but the game is changing and he has to grow if he wants his mins

Isiah was laughing. “Imagine that! Asking a player to get better!”

They were laughing because in the old days players used to work on their games as competitively as they played. I don’t see much of that anymore.

Sure they work on their bodies or stretching their shot. And some improve year after year. But not all.

Mudiay is a guy who needs to work on his game like it’s his job because it is. It’s not a practice thing. It’s a life thing.

Because otherwise he’s gonna be out of the league, like you said.
He has the tools but does he have the motivation?

Player development isn’t all the responsibility of the assistant coaches.

[NoLayupRule]

Is there a waiting period we need to wait for to trade Kanter if he opts into his final year?

Yeah good question
I’m pretty sure it’s december but it might not be

Players opt in as pet of a trade a lot so perhaps it’s not the same as a signing.

Not sure

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Is there a waiting period we need to wait for to trade Kanter if he opts into his final year?

Yeah good question
I’m pretty sure it’s december but it might not be

Players opt in as pet of a trade a lot so perhaps it’s not the same as a signing.

Not sure

Can’t we do a Chris Paul to Houston type thing where he agrees to opt in so we can trade him?

[KnickFan33]

Is there a waiting period we need to wait for to trade Kanter if he opts into his final year?

Yeah good question
I’m pretty sure it’s december but it might not be

Players opt in as pet of a trade a lot so perhaps it’s not the same as a signing.

Not sure

Can’t we do a Chris Paul to Houston type thing where he agrees to opt in so we can trade him?

I'm pretty sure there is no waiting period as there's no new contract being signed and the player is already a part of the roster.

[malik959]

So....
What is an Emanuel Mudiay?

Is he a piece for the future that we plan to pair with Frank to form a supersized pg duo?

Is he a guy we plan on giving a try out to but have no real plans for including him as a core piece?

Is he an asset to move draft night to move up some?

Would he be considered a sweetener piece as part of a bigger trade for a difference maker as the “young prospect” requirement to the deal?

Does he have value?
Is he negative value?
Is he a combo guard?
A pass first playmaking guard?
A shoot first guard?
A two guard?

I just wonder in coaching interviews if he’s being discussed as part of the criteria here.

I have no idea what he is after watching half a season of him. He’s still a baby and if he’s a point guard he has elite size. Watching him it didn’t look like he’s a guy that’s gonna work to reach his potential but it’s gosh awful early. Should we be patient or is it what we see is what we get with him?

I think Mudiay is a fingers crossed guy

meaning were hoping he comes into something in his contract year, somehow develops and becomes either a piece to commit to or, more likely, a guy who you can get something better when he's added to a trade

say after the wiz have a disappointing season you trade at the deadline an expiring Kanter and Mudiay for someone like Gortat and Morris

Good answer.
He’s such a frustrating player to watch.
He actually gets into the paint pretty easily because he’s a big powerful kid but his finishing is so bad. It’s like he anticipates contact all the time and kinda just gives up at the end of his finishes because of it, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Like bad habits all around offensively. He needs to be coached. He needs to be nastier and more physical going to the rim. He doesn’t play big when he get to the tin at all. He needs to come into camp in amazing shape like Larry said. Drink some of that Dipo or Randle juice. And work on his game from top to bottom: shooting, ball handling, footwork, etc. I really don’t remember a point guard looking as raw as dude. Frankie is light years steadier than him at point and that says a lot because Frankie is what I’d think a raw point guard looks like fresh out the womb; but I’m confident HE’s gonna be very good. Sebastian Telflair was a straight from HS guy and while he never became a star or anything close, he walked into the NBA with a certain refinement and swagger about his game from day one that Mudiay is nowhere close to having. Like I don’t know how this turns out. Do these guys improve? I can’t really think of a comparable example. Chauncey took years but he played in college and the whole deal, is Mudiay a guy that gets it at 27? Or is he out the league in 2 years? I can’t think of a single team that would have interest in him. Which is kinda crazy and sad at the same time. He might need another stint in China or something. Seriously, he needs reps. The tools are there.
He’s the forgotten man here. Seems like a good dude, a little sensitive but a good guy. I hope he can find success here or somewhere. I’m big on big point guards.

I can see him being a late bloomer similar to billups, just not on as high of a level. At that age they were very much alike. When E.M is on it he really shows that he can be on that level, but then the next few games it's like where did it go? His lack of consistency is what kills me most becauase you see what he's capable of doing. He's one of the main reasons why i want Bud as coach. If he doesn't show improvement by All Star break than he's just a filler for a trade.

[kane]

Wait wait wait am i taking crazy pills or are people actually looking to get melo back?!

Melo is washed up and to much pride to admit it .... we saw the last of the good melo that dude is gone

[malik959]

Melo = do not want, just our luck we would trade for him and he wouldn't accept a buyout. Then he would bring more drama because he refuses to come off the bench. SMH. That Thunder team was the worst playoff series i've ever watched with all their iso, i'd rather watch Beasley play as of matter of fact Beasley>Melo right now.