Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

21 Hussle · Post #1861 » by **21 Hussle** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:17 pm

Mecca wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Mecca wrote:
All elite defenders have grit.

Tim Duncan?

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The fact that you have to cherry pick names is exactly my point.

It’s subjective. Would you consider Kawhi gritty?

Fat Kat · Post #1862 » by **Fat Kat** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:23 pm

Knickgm2190 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:I don’t think Perry is much of an analytics guy, which is actually a problem

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Where are you getting your info from?

Stereotypes? :dontknow:

Phish Tank · Post #1863 » by **Phish Tank** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:32 pm

Mecca wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Mecca wrote:
All elite defenders have grit.

Tim Duncan?

Sent from a ntillmatic state of mind (or my phone)

The fact that you have to cherry pick names is exactly my point.

Put some respeck on Tim Duncan’s name

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Phish Tank · Post #1864 » by **Phish Tank** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:33 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
Knickgm2190 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:I don’t think Perry is much of an analytics guy, which is actually a problem

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Where are you getting your info from?

Stereotypes?

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.

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Post #1865 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:34 pm

Mecca wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Mecca wrote:Frank don’t have any grit in him. Most if not all elite defenders have it within themselves.

Grit can only get you so far... just ask the 90s knicks

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All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Nazrmohamed · Post #1866 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:50 pm

Knickgm2190 wrote:
thelastpope wrote:Can't believe we are giving up on him, it's like watching T. Ariza all over again

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Trevor Ariza was not Trevor Ariza. Didnt become what you know him to be until his third contract and really has only added an assisted 3pointer.

Frank Ntilikina is not Trevor Ariza

Nazrmohamed · Post #1867 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:59 pm

^^^^^screwed that up. Those were my words, not knicksgm's.

In any case, can someone teach me how to read defensive advanced stats? What are the main stats most people use and how do you read them. As in.. is the higher the number the better or the lower the nunber. Obviously I'm looking for more than blks steals.

LeStud · Post #1868 » by **LeStud** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 11:59 pm

Knicks are in the ultimate asset mode meaning regardless of position, they're trying to get/create assets whether through draft, sign reclamation projects, and trading.

DSJ was not the core of KP trade, he's another asset to add to the cupboard regardless of position. Cap flexibility and picks are so much more valuable than anything DSJ could fetch.

Post #1869 » by **GONYK** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:11 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Grit can only get you so far... just ask the 90s knicks

Sent from a ntillmatic state of mind (or my phone)

All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Sark · Post #1870 » by **Sark** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:22 am

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

And Kyrie too

https://dailyknicks.com/2017/12/22/new-york-knicks-kyrie-irving-praises-frank-ntilikina/

Kampuchea · Post #1871 » by **Kampuchea** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:26 am

Excellent!

https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/03/07/chicago-bulls-3-reasons-knicks-pg-frank-ntilikina-worth-pursuing/4/

Two of the more intriguing trade targets that could work out between the Bulls and Knicks include center Robin Lopez and point guard Kris Dunn.

Sark · Post #1872 » by **Sark** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:30 am

Let's not forget what Steph Curry had to say about him. But then again what does Steph know about basketball?

Read on Twitter

?s=20

CharlesOakley · Post #1873 » by **CharlesOakley** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:33 am

I'm not taking any of the bait from the .article. I'm sure Perry is getting some calls about Frank. I believe I've seen enough from Perry to know that he's no dummy. He understands the value of a defensive vacuum cleaner at the point guard spot. I'm sure he sees the potential in Frank to be a big difference maker in a few years and also to be a bust.

In my mind, this comes down to timeline. If we are definitely getting HD + superstar #2 then Frank's development timeline doesn't fit. If the plan shifts to - keep the pick and amass more young talent, then I would be disappointed giving up on Frank. He may be a Chauncey Billups type of player where a fresh start and a coach who runs an actual offensive system will launch the next level in his career.

CharlesOakley · Post #1874 » by **CharlesOakley** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:37 am

Also, the saddest part of all of this to me is, if Frank were the exact same player on a different team, we would trade for him and give him more playing time than he would get now if he were healthy. The amount of rope we give to other reclamation projects is insane. Frank is always on a tight leash.

whocares1 · Post #1875 » by **whocares1** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:44 am

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Westbrook didn’t do that tho.

JXL · Post #1876 » by **JXL** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:46 am

Frank to the Spurs for Dejonte Murray and a 2nd rounder on draft night.

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vallen · Post #1877 » by **vallen** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 12:51 am

Frank for a night of free Fankfooters at MSG. whoever wants to pick up the tab can have his 5 point ass

Fat Kat · Post #1878 » by **Fat Kat** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 1:00 am

Phish Tank wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Knickgm2190 wrote:
Where are you getting your info from?

Stereotypes?

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.

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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

Watch on YouTube

Phish Tank · Post #1879 » by **Phish Tank** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 1:10 am

Fat Kat wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Stereotypes?

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.

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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

Watch on YouTube

Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

Post #1880 » by **GONYK** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 1:15 am

whocares1 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Westbrook didn’t do that tho.

To be honest, I don't know if Westbrook said something or not. It's mostly irrelevant.

Fact is that we have elite defensive performances that Frank put on against the top players in the game to point to when assessing him as a defensive prospect.

We don't need to rely on some subjective intangible like grit.

What should the Knicks approach be with Frank