Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

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[blueNorange]

when it comes to barrett and even reddish decision making you’ve got to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were just trying to get their shine on with a team that has zion stealing all the headlines.

you never get the top 3 recruits on the same team, and they all had to learn(well the other 2 not named zion) how to take a seat back.

so barrett chucking the ball with 22 seconds to me is simply him just trying to get his shine on.

[GONYK]

there are maybe 5-8 guys that are #1 material on a finals level team in the whole league.

it is an incredibly high bar.

Agreed. The term "franchise player" gets thrown around a lot, but there are maybe 5 in the whole league.

I think the number has grown a bit over the last couple of years...

KD, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, Harden, LeBron are all definitely there - so at least 6 and I think it’s hard to argue against any of them.

Throw in Embiid, because a healthy Embiid is a beast and maybe AD (for all the heat he takes about the playoffs I think AD in the east has similar success to Giannis), Dame, Westbrook, Kyrie and George who all can be argued there but probably not unanimously.

And a couple youngsters knocking on the door like Doncic, Young, Donovan Mitchell,Jokic, Knox (joking)

I think 4 or 5 years ago I had a bleaker picture- but there’s been an uptick in talent for sure

All of the highlighted players don't meet the standard for me.

Harden is borderline, but his defense leaves too much to be desired, and he comes up small in big moments. Curry at least is solid within the team concept.

The rest are nowhere close to a franchise level player, IMO. Being a high level all-star isn't quite good enough.

[Worst_to_First]

Proud Cam voter checking in

We started from 0 now we are 3

Baby steps, like his career trajectory..

I hope cam proves doubters wrong. I’m still a fan but to gutsy to take him top 3.

Am hoping the Lakers get him at 4. Kidd is a good development coach and Vogel should know a thing or two about trying to unlock the Paul George in Cam Reddish.

Besides the Lakers should start looking at potential replacements for Ingram.

[dakomish23]

I haven’t gone through the thread, but is anyone else a huge fan of Clarke?

[newyorker4ever]

Why are people against Morant? Let me guess small school? Came out of nowhere? Small frame?

He was hated on by many on here all year long but just kept producing and getting better game after game and is gonna be a stud in the NBA. Even Knickstape didn't like him and was against him all this year. I love the kid and would love for the Knicks to get him and have KD bring a SG with him instead of Kyrie or any other PG.

[NYKHardKnock]

I have a gut feeling Memphis might just take RJ. Really hope not, he’s already set on me.

[newyorker4ever]

free throw% and steal% are big predictors of shooting success and general stardom at the next level. both are bad for RJ.

throw in the limited handle and craft and it's not very exciting.

I'd have no problem if the Knicks decided to trade down from the #3 spot to add more assets/draft picks especially if they do strike out in free agency and decide to just keep building through the draft.

http://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/23/new-york-knicks-greatest-nba-draft-weapon-is-trading-down/

The New York Knicks greatest NBA Draft weapon is not selecting RJ Barrett at No. 3, but rather trading down and collecting assets.

The third overall pick in the 2019 NBA Draft is worth more as a trade asset than any selection the New York Knicks could make, which is why their top priority should be to trade back in the lottery.

After a dismal season posting an NBA worst record of 17-65, the new changes implemented to the NBA Draft Lottery cost the Knicks the chance to draft Duke’s budding superstar, Zion Williamson. But drafting third also means missing out on the next best alternative, Murray State guard Ja Morant. Instead, if the Knicks hold onto their pick, they are almost certain to select Duke forward R.J. Barrett.

But is settling for the third-ranked prospect, according to ESPN, in a draft filled with two generational talents, really the best course of action?

The answer is no.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I have a gut feeling Memphis might just take RJ. Really hope not, he’s already set on me.

they should strongly consider it. it shouldn't be a forgone conclusion that ja is going there.

[GONYK]

free throw% and steal% are big predictors of shooting success and general stardom at the next level. both are bad for RJ.

throw in the limited handle and craft and it's not very exciting.

I'd have no problem if the Knicks decided to trade down from the #3 spot to add more assets/draft picks especially if they do strike out in free agency and decide to just keep building through the draft.

http://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/23/new-york-knicks-greatest-nba-draft-weapon-is-trading-down/

The New York Knicks greatest NBA Draft weapon is not selecting RJ Barrett at No. 3, but rather trading down and collecting assets.

The third overall pick in the 2019 NBA Draft is worth more as a trade asset than any selection the New York Knicks could make, which is why their top priority should be to trade back in the lottery.

After a dismal season posting an NBA worst record of 17-65, the new changes implemented to the NBA Draft Lottery cost the Knicks the chance to draft Duke’s budding superstar, Zion Williamson. But drafting third also means missing out on the next best alternative, Murray State guard Ja Morant. Instead, if the Knicks hold onto their pick, they are almost certain to select Duke forward R.J. Barrett.

But is settling for the third-ranked prospect, according to ESPN, in a draft filled with two generational talents, really the best course of action?

The answer is no.

I can't take any article that thinks Ja is a generational talent on the level of Zion seriously

[NYKHardKnock]

I have a gut feeling Memphis might just take RJ. Really hope not, he’s already set on me.

they should strongly consider it. it shouldn't be a forgone conclusion that ja is going there.

If they resign JV and take RJ that team might just be a playoff team imo..

Mike Conley
Delon Wright
R.J. Barrett — Kyle Anderson
Jaren Jackson Jr. — Chandler Parsons
Jonas Valanciunas

[newyorker4ever]

I like Morant but I would stick with DSJ for now. Both have similar upside but DSJ is more proven and plays defense. Let’s say the Knicks decide to give DSJ another shot at starting PG next year and he regresses, I would then look to replace him with someone like Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton or Theo Maledon

Morant’s slight frame is a worry while as to DSJ we saw him move guys like Ibaka and Drummond in midair like they were nothing.

Ja will have greater trade value than DSJ given the novelty factor but I think a lot of guys here are sleeping on DSJ. His defense was also a lot better than I expected and he has this attitude of not wanting opposing players to punk our team.

The ideal scenario really for me if Ja somehow lands to us will be to trade him to the Suns for the #6 and an unprotected 2020 pick.

Yeah I forgot to mention his frame also. I would assume he would get stronger in due time and it won't be as much as an issue though but good point.

I agree that cats over here sleeping on DSJ too. At one point everybody was on his d*ck but since he got hurt and his play got worse later in the season, he's a bum all of a sudden . He showed enough flashes for me that he can be really good so Idgaf what they wanna say about him. It was also really refreshing to see someone stick up for our team and play defense at the point guard position. I love his mindset. We ain't have somebody like that in a minute.

I am not sure if the Suns would do that trade (although I'm all for it) cause appareantly the Suns gave a promise to Darius Garland. They probably will just stick with him instead of trading for Ja with us.

I don't understand how there's still people knocking guys for being thin even though it's gets proven over and over again that a player being thin doesn't matter in this league anymore. When the league was allowing players to play physical then it would have mattered but from S.Curry to K.Porzingis to T.Young and now to J.Morant and even Bol Bol their thinness/frame won't hurt their NBA game.

[DowNY]

I have a gut feeling Memphis might just take RJ. Really hope not, he’s already set on me.

they should strongly consider it. it shouldn't be a forgone conclusion that ja is going there.

If they resign JV and take RJ that team might just be a playoff team imo..

Mike Conley
Delon Wright
R.J. Barrett — Kyle Anderson
Jaren Jackson Jr. — Chandler Parsons
Jonas Valanciunas

So you’re saying RJ by himself as a rookie is enough to upgrade one of the worst teams in the league to playoff status?

Also....Chandler Parsons?

[newyorker4ever]

Read on Twitter

Bazley is the kid who passed on going to syracuse and then the g league for a $1 mil new balance "internship" while training for the draft. Yeah he's rail thin, but i like what I see here. Looks like he might be available in the 50s. Measured 6'7 3/4" without shoes, 7 foot wingspan and 208 lbs at the combine.

HT: 6-9 - WT: 208 - WING: 7-0 - FROM: USA
Bazley's story keeps getting stranger, as he's now decided to take the Mitchell Robinson route to the NBA and train for the draft outside of the spotlight. He's a versatile talent who can do a little bit of everything on the court and has nice length for position.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I have a gut feeling Memphis might just take RJ. Really hope not, he’s already set on me.

they should strongly consider it. it shouldn't be a forgone conclusion that ja is going there.

If they resign JV and take RJ that team might just be a playoff team imo..

Mike Conley
Delon Wright
R.J. Barrett — Kyle Anderson
Jaren Jackson Jr. — Chandler Parsons
Jonas Valanciunas

they could sniff that 8 seed.

[Jeff Van Gully]

josh jackson = hell to the naw

[Jeff Van Gully]

knicks wall offseason game should change tyreke evans response. something like:

Spoiler:

tyreke evans has decided to smoke elsewhere

except he ALWAYS accepts the offer. probably because he needs to fund his habit.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Read on Twitter

Bazley is the kid who passed on going to syracuse and then the g league for a $1 mil new balance "internship" while training for the draft. Yeah he's rail thin, but i like what I see here. Looks like he might be available in the 50s. Measured 6'7 3/4" without shoes, 7 foot wingspan and 208 lbs at the combine.

HT: 6-9 - WT: 208 - WING: 7-0 - FROM: USA
Bazley's story keeps getting stranger, as he's now decided to take the Mitchell Robinson route to the NBA and train for the draft outside of the spotlight. He's a versatile talent who can do a little bit of everything on the court and has nice length for position.

i can't see how we would pick in his range

[Knicksfan1992]

Read on Twitter

Bazley is the kid who passed on going to syracuse and then the g league for a $1 mil new balance "internship" while training for the draft. Yeah he's rail thin, but i like what I see here. Looks like he might be available in the 50s. Measured 6'7 3/4" without shoes, 7 foot wingspan and 208 lbs at the combine.

HT: 6-9 - WT: 208 - WING: 7-0 - FROM: USA
Bazley's story keeps getting stranger, as he's now decided to take the Mitchell Robinson route to the NBA and train for the draft outside of the spotlight. He's a versatile talent who can do a little bit of everything on the court and has nice length for position.

i can't see how we would pick in his range

A Frank trade possibly

[Tron Carter]

when it comes to barrett and even reddish decision making you’ve got to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were just trying to get their shine on with a team that has zion stealing all the headlines.

you never get the top 3 recruits on the same team, and they all had to learn(well the other 2 not named zion) how to take a seat back.

so barrett chucking the ball with 22 seconds to me is simply him just trying to get his shine on.

that’s some impressive rationalization