2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[HerSports85]

[Tron Carter]

melo calling out another poster’s draft track record

Sure as hell better than yours. Wake me up when ya boys Garland, Frank and Josh Jackson ain’t busts. Mr I’ll take Frank and Jackson over Tatum head ass. Lmfaoo

And you stay on my d*ck when I never mention ya name. Oh yeah and those million posts you made about “Randles issues are beyond coaching” aged well.

lmao garland and frank are fine and dsj is about to join josh in memphis. it’s not that serious it’s just so fun seeing you get triggered over your favorite prospects we never end up drafting

[TheScout31]

Neither Maledon nor Hayes (can't believe someone actually said this) is like Frank.

Also, Garland has looked good when he has been on the court without Sexton.

[3toheadmelo]

melo calling out another poster’s draft track record

Sure as hell better than yours. Wake me up when ya boys Garland, Frank and Josh Jackson ain’t busts. Mr I’ll take Frank and Jackson over Tatum head ass. Lmfaoo

And you stay on my d*ck when I never mention ya name. Oh yeah and those million posts you made about “Randles issues are beyond coaching” aged well.

lmao garland and frank are fine and dsj is about to join josh in memphis. it’s not that serious it’s just so fun seeing you get triggered over your favorite prospects we never end up drafting

[moocow007]

I'm slowly but surely getting in on Mannion but as like a top 10 guy not top 5.

Love his ability to pull on a dime, he works off-ball as well and is an instinctual defender even if he's small. The dribble penetration concerns are real, but I think he'll be able to get you like 15 and 7 at the next level. A solid 3rd to 4th option offensively on a good team.

Yeah I really like Mannion. If the Knicks rise keeps rising, then he would definitely be an interesting target in the 7-10 range.

I think Mannion is as talented as Cole Anthony. I do not see a significant gap there. Kid can really play and he has that swag/energy that screams NY. He'd actually in my top 4 right now. Disclaimer: I have not seen LaMelo Ball play a full game.

I've watched enough games on the net of Ball to know that if I had to pick one PG in this draft that he'd be the one. Ball's ability to create easy shot opportunities for others is heads and shoulders above everyone else. He's also more skilled than his brother Lonzo at creating shots for himself (which you want if you're taking a guy top 3...and was why I was never high on taking Lonzo Ball top 3) and his jumper, while a little unorthodox isn't near as ugly as Lonzo's flicker shot. Lamelo also has real natural instincts defensively. You can see it by how he can anticipate passes. That can be worked with to make him more consistent and committed IMO to a point where he can also be a very good defensive player. You can tell that he sees the game around him in almost slow motion than everyone else (a skill that the best hitters in baseball history have...Rod Carew once said he sees the ball almost in slow motion as it heads to the plate and that's why he was able to hit the way he did, Ted Williams the same). That's something you can't teach and that all superstars have (not saying he will be one of course).

Here's my take on this draft...

If the Knicks luck out and get the top pick, I think they should go with Edwards. You can argue that Edwards plays the same position as Barrett but I'll be honest, I see Barrett's best position long term in the front court at both positions like (a better) Thaddeus Young. Plus Edwards gives you that do all wing that can create, shoot, pass and defend that it's hard to win without. He would not only be a great upside pick but also probably be the safest pick compared the rest of this group below.

Next up (assuming the Knicks get the 2nd pick and Edwards goes 1st overall) would be a toss up between Ball and Wiseman.

Yes Wiseman would seem unnecessary with Robinson here and despite all the various chatter and his leaving Memphis, he is a rather unique talent with potentially the highest upside in this draft. A 7'1" monster of a specimen that explodes off the floor, can create and shoot doesn't grow on trees. Yes, there's always a potential that Wiseman pulls a Michale Olowakandi but if he didn't have warts he'd be the clear cut no.1 overall pick and it wouldn't even be close. The fit with Robinson? If Wiseman turns out to be all that he can be, Robinson's presence shouldn't matter.

On the court Ball does things with the ball that no one else in this draft can. Yes, you got the Ball Family distraction and you can question Ball's defensive commitment but a 6'8" PG that can pass like no one's business, create his own shot opportunities despite not being a super athlete, that has a unreal feel for the game and that has the highest upside of all the Ball brothers is hard to turn down especially for a team that has been looking for the next great PG for near 50 years now.

Once you get pass this group is where the other guys start coming and going. My next 2 are...Okungwu and Anthony in no particular order.

I'm real big on Okungwu. Again, a potential fit issue with Robinson perhaps but IMO he's got the next highest potential among players in this draft to be that star talent in the NBA and is not only a high ceiling talent but also a high floor talent. Okungwu is basically that 5-tool talent that is more projection in certain areas that actualization but if everything clicks, he's going to be a heck of an NBA talent. Cole Anthony is a scoring PG. I'm not sure that he'll be the most efficient scoring PG at the next level. He is competitive for sure and there's no question his belief in his own ability. Despite his size you can definitely see that he's got that "NY" type of edge. He's got a game that probably will get him star level stats even if it may not lead to a lot of wins but the competitiveness and fight should win him a lot of fans.

I think that's the group of guys that could turn out to be a star level talent in the NBA more likely than less likely...relatively speaking. The Knicks need star level talent. That should be what they focus on rather than a positional need or trying to fit a player into what they already have.

Mannion to me would be in the next group 6-10 range with the possibility that he could become a star or fringe star.

[Tron Carter]

Sure as hell better than yours. Wake me up when ya boys Garland, Frank and Josh Jackson ain’t busts. Mr I’ll take Frank and Jackson over Tatum head ass. Lmfaoo

And you stay on my d*ck when I never mention ya name. Oh yeah and those million posts you made about “Randles issues are beyond coaching” aged well.

lmao garland and frank are fine and dsj is about to join josh in memphis. it’s not that serious it’s just so fun seeing you get triggered over your favorite prospects we never end up drafting

I love how you’ve already made up your mind that garland is a bust. kid is 19, barely played 4 and a half games in college, and hasn’t even made it to the all star break of his rookie season yet. this warped fan mentality is why the knicks can’t rebuild

[BeagleBoss]

Yeah I really like Mannion. If the Knicks rise keeps rising, then he would definitely be an interesting target in the 7-10 range.

I think Mannion is as talented as Cole Anthony. I do not see a significant gap there. Kid can really play and he has that swag/energy that screams NY. He'd actually in my top 4 right now. Disclaimer: I have not seen LaMelo Ball play a full game.

I've watched enough games on the net of Ball to know that if I had to pick one PG in this draft that he'd be the one. Ball's ability to create easy shot opportunities for others is heads and shoulders above everyone else. He's also more skilled than his brother Lonzo at creating shots for himself (which you want if you're taking a guy top 3...and was why I was never high on taking Lonzo Ball top 3) and his jumper, while a little unorthodox isn't near as ugly as Lonzo's flicker shot. Lamelo also has real natural instincts defensively. You can see it by how he can anticipate passes. That can be worked with to make him more consistent and committed IMO to a point where he can also be a very good defensive player. You can tell that he sees the game around him in almost slow motion than everyone else (a skill that the best hitters in baseball history have...Rod Carew once said he sees the ball almost in slow motion as it heads to the plate and that's why he was able to hit the way he did, Ted Williams the same). That's something you can't teach.

Here's my take on this draft...

If the Knicks luck out and get the top pick, I think they should go with Edwards. You can argue that Edwards plays the same position as Barrett but I'll be honest, I see Barrett's best position long term in the front court at both positions like (a better) Thaddeus Young. Plus Edwards gives you that do all wing that can create, shoot, pass and defend that it's hard to win without. He would not only be a great upside pick but also probably be the safest pick compared the rest of this group below.

Next up (assuming the Knicks get the 2nd pick and Edwards goes 1st overall) would be a toss up between Ball and Wiseman.

Yes Wiseman would seem unnecessary with Robinson here and despite all the various chatter and his leaving Memphis, he is a rather unique talent with potentially the highest upside in this draft. A 7'1" monster of a specimen that explodes off the floor, can create and shoot doesn't grow on trees. Yes, there's always a potential that Wiseman pulls a Michale Olowakandi but if he didn't have warts he'd be the clear cut no.1 overall pick and it wouldn't even be close. The fit with Robinson? If Wiseman turns out to be all that he can be, Robinson's presence shouldn't matter.

On the court Ball does things with the ball that no one else in this draft can. Yes, you got the Ball Family distraction and you can question Ball's defensive commitment but a 6'8" PG that can pass like no one's business, create his own shot opportunities despite not being a super athlete, that has a unreal feel for the game and that has the highest upside of all the Ball brothers is hard to turn down especially for a team that has been looking for the next great PG for near 50 years now.

Once you get pass this group is where the other guys start coming and going. My next 2 are...Okungwu and Anthony in particular order.

I'm real big on Okungwu. Again, a potential fit issue with Robinson perhaps but IMO he's got the next highest potential among players in this draft to be that star talent in the NBA and is not only a high ceiling talent but also a high floor talent. Okungwu is basically that 5-tool talent that is more projection in certain areas that actualization but if everything clicks, he's going to be a heck of an NBA talent. Cole Anthony is a scoring PG. I'm not sure that he'll be the most efficient scoring PG at the next level. He is competitive for sure and there's no question his belief in his own ability. Despite his size you can definitely see that he's got that "NY" type of edge. He's got a game that probably will get him star level stats even if it may not lead to a lot of wins.

I think that's the group of guys that could turn out to be a star level talent in the NBA more likely than less likely...relatively speaking. The Knicks need star level talent. That should be what they focus on rather than a positional need or trying to fit a player.

Mannion to me would be in the next group 6-10 range with the possibility that he could become a star or fringe star.

Where can I watch some LaMelo games?

[3toheadmelo]

lmao garland and frank are fine and dsj is about to join josh in memphis. it’s not that serious it’s just so fun seeing you get triggered over your favorite prospects we never end up drafting

I love how you’ve already made up your mind that garland is a bust. kid is 19, barely played 4 and a half games in college, and hasn’t even made it to the all star break of his rookie season yet. this warped fan mentality is why the knicks can’t rebuild

Wake me up when Garland is good. Same thing wit Frankie. I’m not gonna get all hyped up over role players like you.

[Tron Carter]

I love how you’ve already made up your mind that garland is a bust. kid is 19, barely played 4 and a half games in college, and hasn’t even made it to the all star break of his rookie season yet. this warped fan mentality is why the knicks can’t rebuild

Wake me up when Garland is good. Same thing wit Frankie. I’m not gonna get all hyped up over role players like you.

you’re the biggest trey burke and dsj stan on this board but now you’re too good to get “hyped up over role players” ?

[BeagleBoss]

God you Frank and Smith stans are nuts!

[Tron Carter]

ninja posted ever dsj Instagram workout clip this summer on here but I’m getting hyped over bums?

[BeagleBoss]

I hope I'm still alive when we have stans of players who are actually good.

[Tron Carter]

I hope I'm still alive when we have stans of players who are actually good.

[Fat]

take hailburton and call it a day. I dont trust that jumper but i didnt trust SGA's or Morants jumper either f*ck it

[3toheadmelo]

I love how you’ve already made up your mind that garland is a bust. kid is 19, barely played 4 and a half games in college, and hasn’t even made it to the all star break of his rookie season yet. this warped fan mentality is why the knicks can’t rebuild

Wake me up when Garland is good. Same thing wit Frankie. I’m not gonna get all hyped up over role players like you.

you’re the biggest trey burke and dsj stan on this board but now you’re too good to get “hyped up over role players” ?

I liked trey Burke for half a season. Stop talking out of ya ass. And you just got big mad he outplayed ya boy frank. Sad. Outplayed again by a journey man Payton. That’s tough.

Again. Wake me up when ya boys are good. You love to hype up trash. What happened to ya boy Bonga again?

[Tron Carter]

dude talking about frank getting outplayed by journey men while dsj backing frank up..

the ultimate self refuting argument

[3toheadmelo]

Frank barely holding on in the league. I mean I wouldn’t be bragging either but here you are.


And at least I didn’t make a billion posts claiming that Randles issues are beyond coaching. You was right when you said crow is your favorite dish cause you always wrong

[Tron Carter]

nope just a million posts on dsj’s summer workout routine with keith smart

[newyorker4ever]

I'm slowly but surely getting in on Mannion but as like a top 10 guy not top 5.

Love his ability to pull on a dime, he works off-ball as well and is an instinctual defender even if he's small. The dribble penetration concerns are real, but I think he'll be able to get you like 15 and 7 at the next level. A solid 3rd to 4th option offensively on a good team.

If he can run an offense knowing how to set his guys up for the best shots, shoot in the mid to upper 30's from 3 and still have the great vision and passing abilities he has now to go with putting effort in on defense then i'm happy with that and i think he can do all the above.

You already know the white boy ginger has the drive to be good at his craft cause he's heard it all going through middle school, high school and now college as the only ginger on the team.

[TheScout31]

Frank barely holding on in the league.

This is false and it’s disingenuous to ignore the coaching **** he’s dealt with and how he played chunks of minutes out of position.

He’s inconsistent shooting, but that’s it, and has shown improvement.