Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74]

[Chanel Bomber]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

[WargamesX]

Guess Perry didn't draft Knox da bust?

Knicks must can Perry asap and move on

Exactly. And I have a hard time blaming Mills for every bad move.. Perry had a hand in them also.. he's not good

Mills has been the scapegoat for Perry's entire time here.

Dude is flat out bad drafter, look at ORL, look at NYK, he's a bad constructor of a team and last time I checked that's your main job.

Here's to get ridding rid of the last member of the 3 Stooges

I am not saying Perry is a keeper. All I am saying is unfortunately firing him right now could make doing the draft unnecessarily harder. Knicks have two picks one is like 1-4 or 6-8, the second one is 27. There will likely be no tournaments, no individual workouts, no combines to scout. All the knicks have is the scouting that Perry and his team did prior to March, the relationships Perry has with college/high school coaches, and the same tapes/highlights we all have. Maybe Leon was able to get some files from CAA before he left.....

So to hire a new GM now, Leon would have to find someone to replace Perry, incorporate that person into the role of GM, while at the same time incorporating himself into his own new role of president. Then he is going to tell that GM they got to come in and do their best to hit on two picks at opposite ends of the draft with basically only data Perry collected and using a scouting team that Perry has ran up to now. No other team this draft save the wolves are drafting two picks anywhere near our range (and Layden really sucks) and to get somebody else who is new to a GM means they are being promoted at the worst time and being put into a position to fail because this is once again a extremely difficult draft.

From an operation standpoint for all of Perry’s faults Leon is being smart to not add all that to an already difficult Draft. He knows for example Perry was prepping for the two picks we had in the Draft and has institutional knowledge of what we think of players. It’s both smarter and easier to continue to give Perry the reins (and more likely to be successful) than changing GMs now. Perry is also effectively drafting for his job so who knows maybe the added pressure makes him pull some miracles.

The best time to look to replace Perry would be after the draft. That would give Perry’s replacement time to do the research and scouting Perry has already done for this year. Leon and Aller seem to be the two who will handle FA and trades. I don’t think there are any draft specialist on the market right now.

[G_K_F]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

Scott Perry’s talent evaluation is awful on all levels.

Even the guy who he is touted with drafting - Mitchell Robinson - has poor basketball IQ. But he at least makes up for it in other ways.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

FWIW
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/knicks-second-round-pick-ignas-brazdeikis-i-dont-fear-anyone/308367928

Team president Steve Mills said the club had its eye on Brazdeikis after his performance at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago.

"We were really impressed with his competitiveness, his toughness, the way he could shoot the ball. We actually said, 'This guy is going in the first round, we're not going to have a chance to get him,'" Mills said Friday. "And as we were watching the draft play out, our analytics guys, he rates out really high as a rotational NBA player. When there was an opportunity to go get him we decided that was something that was important for us to do. Because we didn't expect that opportunity."

[Chanel Bomber]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

FWIW
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/knicks-second-round-pick-ignas-brazdeikis-i-dont-fear-anyone/308367928

Team president Steve Mills said the club had its eye on Brazdeikis after his performance at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago.

"We were really impressed with his competitiveness, his toughness, the way he could shoot the ball. We actually said, 'This guy is going in the first round, we're not going to have a chance to get him,'" Mills said Friday. "And as we were watching the draft play out, our analytics guys, he rates out really high as a rotational NBA player. When there was an opportunity to go get him we decided that was something that was important for us to do. Because we didn't expect that opportunity."

For me that’s the equivalent of throwing them a bone.

“We won’t take analytics into consideration in any major move that we make, but we’ll follow our analytics guys for this here second-round pick.”

[Jimmit79]

Knicks keeping Perry = to bad draft pick if not top3 but it also will give them excuse that they fired him right after cough cough Phil.

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[Infinitimind]

Knicks keeping Perry = to bad draft pick if not top3 but it also will give them excuse that they fired him right after cough cough Phil.

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He picked RJ and knock in the first round. Iggy and Robinson 2nd round . They got trier in drafted. Right now the only blemish is knox. And I liked the pick, I believe we failed the kid. We didn’t put him in a place to succeed. So I’m ok keeping him for the draft

[HerSports85]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

[WargamesX]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

Cole Anthony would be a reach unless we fell back to 8-10 and both Hayes and Haliburton would have to be off the board. All signs to me is that unless we move up or both those guys are off the board we’re going to take Hayes or Haliburton. Even then I could see the knicks try to trade back up a few spots to get one of those guys. They are both what we need most right now. Hayes is French and could join the knicks French connection, Haliburton is a CAA client and a pure floor general. Both of them make more sense than Cole Anthony.

Then again Thib loved having a guard who could just iso and get shots so ...... I really just hope we don’t take Anthony unless we fall back and he becomes a BPA candidate for the pick position.

[Tron Carter]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

Scott Perry’s talent evaluation is awful on all levels.

Even the guy who he is touted with drafting - Mitchell Robinson - has poor basketball IQ. But he at least makes up for it in other ways.

So what exactly are your standards for second round picks? Basketball IQ lapses and all if there is one draft pick that Scott perry is completely absolved from any criticism for it’s Mitchell f’n Robinson. And I’m not even a fan of Scott Perry.

[knicksNOTslick]

I don't trust Scott Perry to target the right players in the draft.

He clearly values raw numbers over advanced stats. It's hard to tell who was pulling the strings between him and Steve Mills but the roster construction and free agent signings have been so poor that he had to have a hand in it. Drafted Elfrid Payton and brought him to New York as if Knicks fans had not suffered enough. It's always flash over substance, outside of Mitch (RJ was the consensus pick). The ability to evaluate talent just isn't there.

But the worst thing is, I've been even less confident about the direction of this franchise since the Leon Rose hire. The talk about relationships (which screams free agency). The rumors of trading for a disgruntled star. The Thibodeau links. I don't know. I fear the Knicks will do something catastrophic in the near future.

The worst is yet to come. But Perry needs to go too.

Scott Perry’s talent evaluation is awful on all levels.

Even the guy who he is touted with drafting - Mitchell Robinson - has poor basketball IQ. But he at least makes up for it in other ways.

So what exactly are your standards for second round picks? Basketball IQ lapses and all if there is one draft pick that Scott perry is completely absolved from any criticism for it’s Mitchell f’n Robinson. And I’m not even a fan of Scott Perry.

This is true. Knocking on Mitch Robinson's "basketball IQ" is just nitpicking at this point considering we got a steal in the 2nd round. He would've gone much higher in the draft if he had no weaknesses.

[sims]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

this is my biggest fear going into this draft. scott perry loves undertalented players with big name recognition who haven't lived up to expectations. if we're at 6 i'll be very worried about him bidding against himself for the player he thinks will be the local favorite.

and for those praising him for his work in the 2017 draft - let's not forget that they also passed on donovan mitchell, bam, and luke kennard (who was coming on strong this yr) for a shot at justin jackson and harry giles. i'm not going to put that all on perry (and not suggesting they would have drafted both fox and mitchell) but it looks bad from a talent evaluation standpoint no matter how you cut it

[blanko]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

this is my biggest fear going into this draft. scott perry loves undertalented players with big name recognition who haven't lived up to expectations. if we're at 6 i'll be very worried about him bidding against himself for the player he thinks will be the local favorite.

and for those praising him for his work in the 2017 draft - let's not forget that they also passed on donovan mitchell, bam, and luke kennard (who was coming on strong this yr) for a shot at justin jackson and harry giles. i'm not going to put that all on perry (and not suggesting they would have drafted both fox and mitchell) but it looks bad from a talent evaluation standpoint no matter how you cut it

He drafted fox over mitchell, wich i dont think was that bad of a pick. By year three their numbers and advanced stats were similar.

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[sims]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

this is my biggest fear going into this draft. scott perry loves undertalented players with big name recognition who haven't lived up to expectations. if we're at 6 i'll be very worried about him bidding against himself for the player he thinks will be the local favorite.

and for those praising him for his work in the 2017 draft - let's not forget that they also passed on donovan mitchell, bam, and luke kennard (who was coming on strong this yr) for a shot at justin jackson and harry giles. i'm not going to put that all on perry (and not suggesting they would have drafted both fox and mitchell) but it looks bad from a talent evaluation standpoint no matter how you cut it

He drafted fox over mitchell, wich i dont think was that bad of a pick. By year three their numbers and advanced stats were similar.

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SAC went into that draft with 5 and 10 and flipped 10 for 15 and 20, which became jackson and giles (another scott perry damaged goods big name prospect). in so doing they passed on zach collins, monk, kennard, mitchell, and bam, ALL of whom are better than the two guys they got.

as for fox, 5 was his absolute floor in that draft - everybody loved him. he was more or less gift wrapped for SAC when PHX passed as he was really the obvious pick for them and could have gone as high as 2. when he was on the board at 5 there was a 0% chance SAC wasn't taking him. so yeah, great pick, but also hard to give a lot of credit for any special insight there.

[TheGreenArrow]

Leon rose and brock aller will have the final say.

Perry's just doing the groundwork.

You guy's are seriously overreacting.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Leon rose and brock aller will have the final say.

Perry's just doing the groundwork.

You guy's are seriously overreacting.

Exactly this

[SWYM]

Outside of RJ, Perry does love low iq players. That’s why I know we are about to get Cole Anthony

this is my biggest fear going into this draft. scott perry loves undertalented players with big name recognition who haven't lived up to expectations. if we're at 6 i'll be very worried about him bidding against himself for the player he thinks will be the local favorite.

and for those praising him for his work in the 2017 draft - let's not forget that they also passed on donovan mitchell, bam, and luke kennard (who was coming on strong this yr) for a shot at justin jackson and harry giles. i'm not going to put that all on perry (and not suggesting they would have drafted both fox and mitchell) but it looks bad from a talent evaluation standpoint no matter how you cut it

Perry by draft time had been in SAC for 2 months. Oh and Perry making picks over Vlade who has been the GM is an absurb notion.

Perry had nothing to do with Fox or that draft. If you want to grade Perry's GMing, review ORL's busts and here with Knox and the horrendous roster construction.

Perry is a bad NBA exec plain & simple and will be unemployed shortly.

[blanko]

this is my biggest fear going into this draft. scott perry loves undertalented players with big name recognition who haven't lived up to expectations. if we're at 6 i'll be very worried about him bidding against himself for the player he thinks will be the local favorite.

and for those praising him for his work in the 2017 draft - let's not forget that they also passed on donovan mitchell, bam, and luke kennard (who was coming on strong this yr) for a shot at justin jackson and harry giles. i'm not going to put that all on perry (and not suggesting they would have drafted both fox and mitchell) but it looks bad from a talent evaluation standpoint no matter how you cut it

He drafted fox over mitchell, wich i dont think was that bad of a pick. By year three their numbers and advanced stats were similar.

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SAC went into that draft with 5 and 10 and flipped 10 for 15 and 20, which became jackson and giles (another scott perry damaged goods big name prospect). in so doing they passed on zach collins, monk, kennard, mitchell, and bam, ALL of whom are better than the two guys they got.

as for fox, 5 was his absolute floor in that draft - everybody loved him. he was more or less gift wrapped for SAC when PHX passed as he was really the obvious pick for them and could have gone as high as 2. when he was on the board at 5 there was a 0% chance SAC wasn't taking him. so yeah, great pick, but also hard to give a lot of credit for any special insight there.

Giles was avalue pick and sac is getting criticized for bailing on him.

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[iLLmatic860]

Sounds like we keepin Scott Perry for the year and making a push for Masai in 21

[G_K_F]

Sounds like we keepin Scott Perry for the year and making a push for Masai in 21