OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[Bulls69]

McConnell has put Trump on notice. If he doesn't get his polls up this Summer the Republicans up for election are going to disavow him this Fall leading up to the election and/or Mitch is going to try to (a) force Trump out of the WH via 25th Amendment or resignation or (b) by Trump removing himself from the ticket while serving out his term.

The wild card is Trump, because he may tell Mitch to pound sand and force them to try and get his cabinet to invoke the 25th and that is not guaranteed to work. I think so many of his cabinet are complicit in Trump's crime spree they may not want to take him down.

Since Trump has doubled down on feeding red meat to his racist base and Rona is not letting up anytime soon, he is NOT going to miraculously gain back over 5% of the voting public and draw even by November.

So wild card # 2 is what komprommat Mitch has on Trump and is he willing to use it, because I'm assuming Trump and Putin have komprommat on Mitch too. So this is going to turn into a stare down.

Mitch didn't leak his intentions because he might want Trump to step down. He did it because he clearly wants that to happen. The only person he is signaling with this news is Trump himself. Mitch is giving him a head's up and the option to remove himself from the ticket or resign before they come to blows over this in August or September.

At this point Dems shouldn't impeach Trump again because you know the Senate will quickly impeach him so Pence can pardon for all charges. Then they will try to do a huge blanket to pardon for any future or past crimes.

As for the Republicans, if the polls aren't good they will want to push him out ASAP and then have Pence pardon him for all charges. They will still lose the Presidency but it's all about the Senate now.

In the end, Republicans now see that this is a sinking ship. They want to cover up GOPs giving billions to their friends, Trump pretty much muzzled so they can continue their charades.

Dems will be stupid to fall for that. They should go on TV and tell the American ppl that if we go through another impeachment hearing or Republicans try to remove him, it will be a blanket pardon. Dems need to Project what REpublicans are going to do. Stop pouting about how "this is not normal"... in fact THIS IS NOW OUR NORMALCY.[/
Right now Trump can simply resign now and have Pence pardon him but his ego won't let him he still have some more tricks up his sleeve.

[HarthorneWingo]

McConnell has put Trump on notice. If he doesn't get his polls up this Summer the Republicans up for election are going to disavow him this Fall leading up to the election and/or Mitch is going to try to (a) force Trump out of the WH via 25th Amendment or resignation or (b) by Trump removing himself from the ticket while serving out his term.

The wild card is Trump, because he may tell Mitch to pound sand and force them to try and get his cabinet to invoke the 25th and that is not guaranteed to work. I think so many of his cabinet are complicit in Trump's crime spree they may not want to take him down.

Since Trump has doubled down on feeding red meat to his racist base and Rona is not letting up anytime soon, he is NOT going to miraculously gain back over 5% of the voting public and draw even by November.

So wild card # 2 is what komprommat Mitch has on Trump and is he willing to use it, because I'm assuming Trump and Putin have komprommat on Mitch too. So this is going to turn into a stare down.

Mitch didn't leak his intentions because he might want Trump to step down. He did it because he clearly wants that to happen. The only person he is signaling with this news is Trump himself. Mitch is giving him a head's up and the option to remove himself from the ticket or resign before they come to blows over this in August or September.

At this point Dems shouldn't impeach Trump again because you know the Senate will quickly impeach him so Pence can pardon for all charges. Then they will try to do a huge blanket to pardon for any future or past crimes.

As for the Republicans, if the polls aren't good they will want to push him out ASAP and then have Pence pardon him for all charges. They will still lose the Presidency but it's all about the Senate now.

In the end, Republicans now see that this is a sinking ship. They want to cover up GOPs giving billions to their friends, Trump pretty much muzzled so they can continue their charades.

Dems will be stupid to fall for that. They should go on TV and tell the American ppl that if we go through another impeachment hearing or Republicans try to remove him, it will be a blanket pardon. Dems need to Project what REpublicans are going to do. Stop pouting about how "this is not normal"... in fact THIS IS NOW OUR NORMALCY.

Right now Trump can simply resign now and have Pence pardon him but his ego won't let him he still have some more tricks up his sleeve.

Pence can't pardon him from NYS crimes which are plentiful.

And, you're welcome, for having to fix your sloppy posting. Typical Chicago fan.

[Bulls69]

At this point Dems shouldn't impeach Trump again because you know the Senate will quickly impeach him so Pence can pardon for all charges. Then they will try to do a huge blanket to pardon for any future or past crimes.

As for the Republicans, if the polls aren't good they will want to push him out ASAP and then have Pence pardon him for all charges. They will still lose the Presidency but it's all about the Senate now.

In the end, Republicans now see that this is a sinking ship. They want to cover up GOPs giving billions to their friends, Trump pretty much muzzled so they can continue their charades.

Dems will be stupid to fall for that. They should go on TV and tell the American ppl that if we go through another impeachment hearing or Republicans try to remove him, it will be a blanket pardon. Dems need to Project what REpublicans are going to do. Stop pouting about how "this is not normal"... in fact THIS IS NOW OUR NORMALCY.

Right now Trump can simply resign now and have Pence pardon him but his ego won't let him he still have some more tricks up his sleeve.

Pence can't pardon him from NYS crimes which are plentiful.

And, you're welcome, for having to fix your sloppy posting. Typical Chicago fan.

I understand Trump can't be pardon for states charges only the Governor can but once they dig deep the Feds are going to find out Trump committed Federal crimes

[HarthorneWingo]

It's true that McGrath has a way better chance of beating McConnell, but Booker only lost due to voter suppression. They literally closed every polling place except 1 in Louisville, where 600,000 people live. Absolutely despicable and this is happening in every red state right now. Only hope for republicans to remain a party is to suppress voting.

McGrath may have a better chance because of the money she'll spend, sure. But if Booker won, you don't think the DNC would throw tons of money his way because - at least according to those poll numbers (and they may be under-reporting Booker's numbers) - he's significantly closer to beating Mitch than McGrath AND he actually supports the programs that Kentuckians want which should drive them to the polls - so long as there's no monkey business played. Putting all that together suggests to me that Booker is the stronger candidate. McGrath just eeked out a win and Booker had no money to spend against her.

He's the guy I wanted, but Kentucky is not a progressive state and he's very progressive, while McGrath is more in the middle and appealing to both sides. So many of the non progressives will favor McGrath vs McConnell. The people who would vote Booker over McConnell will mostly be suppressed again, like with Louisville and that's why he would lose. He's a way better candidate, Kentucky is just a regressive state, hard to get a real progressive elected there.

Look at the polling I posted above and then let me know if you feel the same way. Even traditionally red-states are now turning purple and trending towards blue. There are a number of progressives running in elections around the country and even is states where you'd be surprised, like West Virginia. White blue collar workers and farmers are still getting the shaft from Republicans. These people are Democrats who have been hijacked by right wing conservatives who have pitted them against blue collar minority workers. Divide and conquer.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/10/west-virginia-primary-stephen-smith/

Here's the poll

http://filesforprogress.org/datasets/2020/6/ky/Civiqs_DataforProgress_KY_banner_book_2020_06.pdf

[HarthorneWingo]

Beating McConnell is what matters here and this wishful thinking that Booker would be a better candidate against McConnell when the public just informed you he's not is the same pettiness that arose after Biden was chosen by the public over Sanders.

Winning with McGrath is a hundred billion times more useful than losing with Booker, but since strategy doesn't matter at all to you go ahead and disregard the voting public and pretend Booker woulda, coulda, shoulda been the one.

The Democratic primaries have jack chit to do with the general election. That's the democrats voting only.

If you think enough Republicans were going to choose Booker over McConnell you're just tripping. It's a red state and that means you still needed a democrat that conservative swing Republicans can stomach to beat McConnell.

If Booker had won, McConnell would win for sure, but people love to talk smack and act like that ain't so. Common sense says otherwise.

Winning and putting the GOP six feet under should be your priority, but you're still splitting hairs over the wrong things.

Wishful thinking? He’s only 14 points down to Mitch. The “Trump Democrat” is down 20 points.

I hate McConnell just as much as anyone and also want to take back that seat. Also, I believe that the polls in KY also support the enactment of progressive policies, like M4A, that McGrath probably doesn’t support. She said she would’ve voted FOR Kavanaugh if in the Senate.

Argue all you want in your intramural democratic pissing contest.

Neither of these candidates is beating out B*tch McConnell in Kentucky.

He delivers the racism and the goods that people in that state enjoy.

Of course, you're right. But Booker had the better chance and he got cheated by the KY DNC

[Jeffrey]

At this point Dems shouldn't impeach Trump again because you know the Senate will quickly impeach him so Pence can pardon for all charges. Then they will try to do a huge blanket to pardon for any future or past crimes.

As for the Republicans, if the polls aren't good they will want to push him out ASAP and then have Pence pardon him for all charges. They will still lose the Presidency but it's all about the Senate now.

In the end, Republicans now see that this is a sinking ship. They want to cover up GOPs giving billions to their friends, Trump pretty much muzzled so they can continue their charades.

Dems will be stupid to fall for that. They should go on TV and tell the American ppl that if we go through another impeachment hearing or Republicans try to remove him, it will be a blanket pardon. Dems need to Project what REpublicans are going to do. Stop pouting about how "this is not normal"... in fact THIS IS NOW OUR NORMALCY.

Right now Trump can simply resign now and have Pence pardon him but his ego won't let him he still have some more tricks up his sleeve.

Pence can't pardon him from NYS crimes which are plentiful.

And, you're welcome, for having to fix your sloppy posting. Typical Chicago fan.

This coming Wednesday, Columbia University will have a virtual panel discussion with AG Letitia James. I will ask her about how high a stack of indictments does she have at 12:01pm January 20th 2021

[Clyde_Style]

Beating McConnell is what matters here and this wishful thinking that Booker would be a better candidate against McConnell when the public just informed you he's not is the same pettiness that arose after Biden was chosen by the public over Sanders.

Winning with McGrath is a hundred billion times more useful than losing with Booker, but since strategy doesn't matter at all to you go ahead and disregard the voting public and pretend Booker woulda, coulda, shoulda been the one.

The Democratic primaries have jack chit to do with the general election. That's the democrats voting only.

If you think enough Republicans were going to choose Booker over McConnell you're just tripping. It's a red state and that means you still needed a democrat that conservative swing Republicans can stomach to beat McConnell.

If Booker had won, McConnell would win for sure, but people love to talk smack and act like that ain't so. Common sense says otherwise.

Winning and putting the GOP six feet under should be your priority, but you're still splitting hairs over the wrong things.

Wishful thinking? He’s only 14 points down to Mitch. The “Trump Democrat” is down 20 points.

I hate McConnell just as much as anyone and also want to take back that seat. Also, I believe that the polls in KY also support the enactment of progressive policies, like M4A, that McGrath probably doesn’t support. She said she would’ve voted FOR Kavanaugh if in the Senate.

Argue all you want in your intramural democratic pissing contest.

Neither of these candidates is beating out B*tch McConnell in Kentucky.

He delivers the racism and the goods that people in that state enjoy.

I demur, o message delivery pigeon, if only for the possible outlier event of a blue tide dumping Mitch, because the overt authoritative declaration that the outcome is already decided does not sit well with with this stray pigeon here. Times a changin' so keepin outcomes open is good karma y'all

[HarthorneWingo]

Right now Trump can simply resign now and have Pence pardon him but his ego won't let him he still have some more tricks up his sleeve.

Pence can't pardon him from NYS crimes which are plentiful.

And, you're welcome, for having to fix your sloppy posting. Typical Chicago fan.

This coming Wednesday, Columbia University will have a virtual panel discussion with AG Letitia James. I will ask her about how high a stack of indictments does she have at 12:01pm January 20th 2021

My man. While you're at it, ask her about her power to address systemic police abuse coming from the county police departments and prosecutorial misconduct from the local DA offices in New York State ... if you have the chance. Thanks.

[HarthorneWingo]

Wishful thinking? He’s only 14 points down to Mitch. The “Trump Democrat” is down 20 points.

I hate McConnell just as much as anyone and also want to take back that seat. Also, I believe that the polls in KY also support the enactment of progressive policies, like M4A, that McGrath probably doesn’t support. She said she would’ve voted FOR Kavanaugh if in the Senate.

Argue all you want in your intramural democratic pissing contest.

Neither of these candidates is beating out B*tch McConnell in Kentucky.

He delivers the racism and the goods that people in that state enjoy.

I demur, o message delivery pigeon, if only for the possible outlier event of a blue tide dumping Mitch, because the overt authoritative declaration that the outcome is already decided does not sit well with with this stray pigeon here. Times a changin' so keepin outcomes open is good karma y'all

...which is why it is worth putting the beatdown on your sorry ass.

[Clyde_Style]

Argue all you want in your intramural democratic pissing contest.

Neither of these candidates is beating out B*tch McConnell in Kentucky.

He delivers the racism and the goods that people in that state enjoy.

I demur, o message delivery pigeon, if only for the possible outlier event of a blue tide dumping Mitch, because the overt authoritative declaration that the outcome is already decided does not sit well with with this stray pigeon here. Times a changin' so keepin outcomes open is good karma y'all

...which is why it is worth putting the beatdown on your sorry ass.

I posted something harsher before, but I'm replacing it with this. I really don't know what these kinds of posts are meant for because they are neither witty nor sarcastic in a friendly way so I just give up. I don't have any more time for this kind of nonsense. Good night

[robillionaire]

Kentucky has run Joe Manchin style republicrats against Mitch every election since 1984 and I suspect a similar result this time with the current pro-trump challenger as all the other times. McGrath had 40-50x the funding of Booker and was basically declared by the party to be the nominee a year ago yet still barely eeked out a narrow win in a controversial primary that will he remembered for 90% of polling sites being closed and people banging on doors trying to vote. The good news is Mitch might just retire or die after this term.

The sad thing is that being from Kentucky I can tell you that pretty much nobody likes mitch, even republicans don’t really like him but they vote for him anyway and the dems never offer a good opponent to challenge him and they always run on a right wing platform themselves. booker might not have won either but it would have been nice to see them try something different for a change

I don’t think the outcome is decided, Kentucky did elect a dem governor recently, with that said Mitch has beaten stronger challengers in the past so I am not optimistic about it

[Clyde_Style]

Kentucky has run Joe Manchin style republicrats against Mitch every election since 1984 and I suspect a similar result this time with the current pro-trump challenger as all the other times. McGrath had 40-50x the funding of Booker and was basically declared by the party to be the nominee a year ago yet still barely eeked out a narrow win in a controversial primary that will he remembered for 90% of polling sites being closed and people banging on doors trying to vote. The good news is Mitch might just retire or die after this term.

The sad thing is that being from Kentucky I can tell you that pretty much nobody likes mitch, even republicans don’t really like him but they vote for him anyway and the dems never offer a good opponent to challenge him and they always run on a right wing platform themselves. booker might not have won either but it would have been nice to see them try something different for a change

I don’t think the outcome is decided, Kentucky did elect a dem governor recently, with that said Mitch has beaten stronger challengers in the past so I am not optimistic about it

This is a fair assessment. It is what I've said before, which is people vote for the guy despite not actually liking him, but that also leaves cracks in the facade that are vulnerable to a blue wave. He is not invincible, but defeating him this cycle is not about Mitch or his opponent, but about the broader public sentiment for change

[Jeffrey]

Pence can't pardon him from NYS crimes which are plentiful.

And, you're welcome, for having to fix your sloppy posting. Typical Chicago fan.

This coming Wednesday, Columbia University will have a virtual panel discussion with AG Letitia James. I will ask her about how high a stack of indictments does she have at 12:01pm January 20th 2021

My man. While you're at it, ask her about her power to address systemic police abuse coming from the county police departments and prosecutorial misconduct from the local DA offices in New York State ... if you have the chance. Thanks.

That's what the discussion is pretty much about. "Building Trust Between Police and the Communites They Serve".

[Jeffrey]

Kentucky has run Joe Manchin style republicrats against Mitch every election since 1984 and I suspect a similar result this time with the current pro-trump challenger as all the other times. McGrath had 40-50x the funding of Booker and was basically declared by the party to be the nominee a year ago yet still barely eeked out a narrow win in a controversial primary that will he remembered for 90% of polling sites being closed and people banging on doors trying to vote. The good news is Mitch might just retire or die after this term.

The sad thing is that being from Kentucky I can tell you that pretty much nobody likes mitch, even republicans don’t really like him but they vote for him anyway and the dems never offer a good opponent to challenge him and they always run on a right wing platform themselves. booker might not have won either but it would have been nice to see them try something different for a change

I don’t think the outcome is decided, Kentucky did elect a dem governor recently, with that said Mitch has beaten stronger challengers in the past so I am not optimistic about it

Totally agree with your assessment. I know people like to say Kentucky could never elect a Democrat unless they are conservative about certain issues (usually social). I think that's fine but like you said that a Republican-lite dressed as a Democrat has been running against McConnell and then gets blown out.

What I do notice about states like Kentucky is that citizens don't like outside interest and a party pushing a specific candidate. This candidate was chosen by Dems leader (Schumer) and a good % of the money is coming from outside of Kentucky. McGrath has all of the money but her campaign has fallen flat and her message is unmotivated. She's running the same playbook from her last race that she ran.

That's why I was rooting for Booker. He was organic and his operations were a lot of door-knocking and speaking to the community. If Kentucky's primary was maybe 3-6 weeks further down the road, I'm sure he would've won.

Yes, Kentucky did vote in a Democrat governor but you need to add a little bit more context than that.
1.) He is the son of a former governor that has gotten positive reviews
2.) He was running against one of the worst governors Kentucky had ever seen.
3.) Although Kentucky had voted for a Dem governor, every other election Kentuckians voted hard right on every other seat.

[HarthorneWingo]

This coming Wednesday, Columbia University will have a virtual panel discussion with AG Letitia James. I will ask her about how high a stack of indictments does she have at 12:01pm January 20th 2021

My man. While you're at it, ask her about her power to address systemic police abuse coming from the county police departments and prosecutorial misconduct from the local DA offices in New York State ... if you have the chance. Thanks.

That's what the discussion is pretty much about. "Building Trust Between Police and the Communites They Serve".

Is the panel open to the public or just alumni/subscribers?

[HarthorneWingo]

NY Times (today) on the progressive efforts to rehabilitate our courts.

Progressives Begin New Push to Elevate Supreme Court as a Campaign Issue

The first step in the project is $2 million in ads in competitive states highlighting the consequences for the court if President Trump secures a second term

As the political focus on the makeup of the Supreme Court intensifies, national progressive leaders initiated a new effort on Wednesday to try to make the court a driving issue for liberal voters in November.

Known as Supreme Court Voter, the nonprofit advocacy project will start with $2 million in digital advertising in politically competitive states in attempts to mobilize voters around the idea that the long-term direction of the court — and the outcome of its rulings on hot-button policy and cultural issues — will be set for decades in the coming election.

The push comes as President Trump has signaled that he will again make his vow to install conservative justices to lifetime terms on the court a centerpiece of his campaign.

“The future of the Supreme Court is on the line,” conclude the two new advertisements created by the group, both of which center on Mr. Trump’s nomination of what they call “far-right” justices like Brett M. Kavanaugh.

“We can’t afford any more Brett Kavanaughs, or our court will be his court,” a voice intones as an image of Mr. Trump flashes across the screen. The ads will begin running in Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, states that could decide the presidential election and determine control of the Senate.

The voter mobilization effort comes as the court has delivered a series of sharply divided opinions that have stirred a backlash on both the right and the left and put the justices squarely in the public eye only five months before the election. Both Mr. Trump and his presumptive Democratic rival for the presidency, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., have also sought to capitalize on that scrutiny.

The group Demand Justice, created after the 2016 presidential election and the Republican stonewalling of President Barack Obama’s final Supreme Court nominee, is the chief investor and a main organizing force in the new undertaking. The advisory board consists of representatives of leading progressive groups like the American Federation of Teachers, NARAL Pro-Choice America, Voto Latino, the National Women’s Law Center and Justice Democrats.

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, is also promoting the project as a way to counteract the longstanding emphasis conservatives have put on getting favored nominees on to the courts.

“Powerful interests have worked for years, pouring incredible amounts of money into capturing our courts,” she told reporters Wednesday in a conference call. “This is the kind of strategic, sustained campaign that is needed to match the right-wing focus.”

Participants say they are trying to impress upon voters the dominant role that the Supreme Court plays in American life and the potential tipping point for the membership of the court, which they say is now dominated by hard-right conservative ideologues.

“If Trump wins re-election, it will be bad not only for the courts, but for people, because the court will change for decades to essentially be a legislative handmaiden of the right-wing radical movement,” said Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, who will be among the board members. “It is a very dangerous moment.”

Though two recent high-profile Supreme Court rulings on immigration and abortion rights were decided 5 to 4 by the court’s four liberal justices joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., backers of the new effort say those outcomes only underscored the precarious balance. They note that the chief justice has had to maneuver internally to get those results in what some see as an effort to protect the court’s traditional image as apolitical. And they warn that additional conservative Trump nominees in the years ahead could render moot Chief Justice Roberts’s swing-vote status.

“Those cases were decided on a thread,” Ms. Weingarten noted. “All of these cases should have been decided unequivocally.”

Conservatives have long been viewed as more motivated than liberals to base their vote for president on the prospect of future Supreme Court nominees, seeing the court as a last line of defense between their beliefs and the encroachment of progressive policies.

Mr. Trump’s promise to appoint known conservatives to the court — along with the court vacancy held open by Senate Republicans — was considered essential to his ability to maintain conservative and evangelical backing in 2016 despite concerns about his character. Conservative court activists say the new rulings on immigration and abortion, as well as one on gay rights, that they viewed as inappropriate legislating from the bench would resonate with conservative voters come November.

“Any time we see the courts stepping in doing what the Constitution reserved for the legislature, that is the kind of thing that excites the base on the right,” said Carrie Severino, the president of the conservative Judicial Crisis Network.

But polling done for the organizers of the Supreme Court Voter project gives them hope that Democrats and independents can be persuaded to consider the court more prominently in making their choices. Organizers said surveys conducted by Hart Research Associates found “overwhelming concern” from progressives and independents about the possibility of Mr. Trump’s naming more justices to the Supreme Court.

“The prospect of him being able to put one or two more justices on the Supreme Court is really a powerful image and scenario as a motivator for people to really care about this election,” said Guy Molyneux, senior vice president at the public opinion firm. He said the research showed that Justice Kavanaugh was particularly “powerful as a symbol for a liberal audience of what is wrong with the court.”

The newest justice figures prominently in both ads. The court effort will also include the training of activists in key states and an online component that will encourage members of the public to submit accounts of the personal effect of decisions by judges nominated by Mr. Trump.

After recent rulings went against him, Mr. Trump promised he would release a new set of prospective Supreme Court choices in September, following his practice of 2016 that was seen as a boon to his campaign.

Asked Tuesday if he would release a similar list of potential picks to the court, Mr. Biden, who has promised to nominate a Black woman, said he was assembling a list of qualified and experienced candidates but he did not intend to name them “until we have gone further down the line.”

Mr. Biden said he was reluctant to follow the president’s example on anything “because he usually does it all wrong.”

[robillionaire]

Kentucky has run Joe Manchin style republicrats against Mitch every election since 1984 and I suspect a similar result this time with the current pro-trump challenger as all the other times. McGrath had 40-50x the funding of Booker and was basically declared by the party to be the nominee a year ago yet still barely eeked out a narrow win in a controversial primary that will he remembered for 90% of polling sites being closed and people banging on doors trying to vote. The good news is Mitch might just retire or die after this term.

The sad thing is that being from Kentucky I can tell you that pretty much nobody likes mitch, even republicans don’t really like him but they vote for him anyway and the dems never offer a good opponent to challenge him and they always run on a right wing platform themselves. booker might not have won either but it would have been nice to see them try something different for a change

I don’t think the outcome is decided, Kentucky did elect a dem governor recently, with that said Mitch has beaten stronger challengers in the past so I am not optimistic about it

Totally agree with your assessment. I know people like to say Kentucky could never elect a Democrat unless they are conservative about certain issues (usually social). I think that's fine but like you said that a Republican-lite dressed as a Democrat has been running against McConnell and then gets blown out.

What I do notice about states like Kentucky is that citizens don't like outside interest and a party pushing a specific candidate. This candidate was chosen by Dems leader (Schumer) and a good % of the money is coming from outside of Kentucky. McGrath has all of the money but her campaign has fallen flat and her message is unmotivated. She's running the same playbook from her last race that she ran.

That's why I was rooting for Booker. He was organic and his operations were a lot of door-knocking and speaking to the community. If Kentucky's primary was maybe 3-6 weeks further down the road, I'm sure he would've won.

Yes, Kentucky did vote in a Democrat governor but you need to add a little bit more context than that.
1.) He is the son of a former governor that has gotten positive reviews
2.) He was running against one of the worst governors Kentucky had ever seen.
3.) Although Kentucky had voted for a Dem governor, every other election Kentuckians voted hard right on every other seat.

These are also all good valid points. And you hit the nail on the head with the whole “outsider” thing not usually playing well in Kentucky and in many regions it can be very insular. which is why I continue to be amazed that rand paul is in office when he truly doesn’t know a thing about the area and famously thought hazard Kentucky was the basis of dukes of hazzard. I think it’s mainly because he is viewed as being outside of the establishment because he’s Ron’s kid. But Kentucky is not the hopelessly racist lost cause that buzz is suggesting. in fact I believe it has more untapped revolutionary potential than any other area if poor people of the region once again realize they have more in common with other oppressed people than they do billionaires and coal barons who want to keep ppl bamboozled with white identity politics. So being from Appalachia I hope more start to look at and embrace the real history of labor movements in the area and what it took to unionize miners and who it was on the other side shooting at them to stop them and prevent it. Look up the Harlan County War and Bloody Harlan on Wikipedia and read the background, the classic labor anthem “which side are you on” by Florence Reece has the origins there. None should support cops now, that’s who will come to kill us when we organize labor too.

[Clyde_Style]

Kentucky has run Joe Manchin style republicrats against Mitch every election since 1984 and I suspect a similar result this time with the current pro-trump challenger as all the other times. McGrath had 40-50x the funding of Booker and was basically declared by the party to be the nominee a year ago yet still barely eeked out a narrow win in a controversial primary that will he remembered for 90% of polling sites being closed and people banging on doors trying to vote. The good news is Mitch might just retire or die after this term.

The sad thing is that being from Kentucky I can tell you that pretty much nobody likes mitch, even republicans don’t really like him but they vote for him anyway and the dems never offer a good opponent to challenge him and they always run on a right wing platform themselves. booker might not have won either but it would have been nice to see them try something different for a change

I don’t think the outcome is decided, Kentucky did elect a dem governor recently, with that said Mitch has beaten stronger challengers in the past so I am not optimistic about it

Totally agree with your assessment. I know people like to say Kentucky could never elect a Democrat unless they are conservative about certain issues (usually social). I think that's fine but like you said that a Republican-lite dressed as a Democrat has been running against McConnell and then gets blown out.

What I do notice about states like Kentucky is that citizens don't like outside interest and a party pushing a specific candidate. This candidate was chosen by Dems leader (Schumer) and a good % of the money is coming from outside of Kentucky. McGrath has all of the money but her campaign has fallen flat and her message is unmotivated. She's running the same playbook from her last race that she ran.

That's why I was rooting for Booker. He was organic and his operations were a lot of door-knocking and speaking to the community. If Kentucky's primary was maybe 3-6 weeks further down the road, I'm sure he would've won.

Yes, Kentucky did vote in a Democrat governor but you need to add a little bit more context than that.
1.) He is the son of a former governor that has gotten positive reviews
2.) He was running against one of the worst governors Kentucky had ever seen.
3.) Although Kentucky had voted for a Dem governor, every other election Kentuckians voted hard right on every other seat.

These are also all good valid points. And you hit the nail on the head with the whole “outsider” thing not usually playing well in Kentucky and in many regions it can be very insular. which is why I continue to be amazed that rand paul is in office when he truly doesn’t know a thing about the area and famously thought hazard Kentucky was the basis of dukes of hazzard. I think it’s mainly because he is viewed as being outside of the establishment because he’s Ron’s kid. But Kentucky is not the hopelessly racist lost cause that buzz is suggesting. in fact I believe it has more untapped revolutionary potential than any other area if poor people of the region once again realize they have more in common with other oppressed people than they do billionaires and coal barons who want to keep ppl bamboozled with white identity politics. So being from Appalachia I hope more start to look at and embrace the real history of labor movements in the area and what it took to unionize miners and who it was on the other side shooting at them to stop them and prevent it. Look up the Harlan County War and Bloody Harlan on Wikipedia and read the background, the classic labor anthem “which side are you on” by Florence Reece has the origins there. None should support cops now, that’s who will come to kill us when we organize labor too.

It is definitely a part of America where political outlooks could be positively impacted by grass roots organizers who are committed to educating the disadvantaged about their options and who is truly on their side

[Jeffrey]

My man. While you're at it, ask her about her power to address systemic police abuse coming from the county police departments and prosecutorial misconduct from the local DA offices in New York State ... if you have the chance. Thanks.

That's what the discussion is pretty much about. "Building Trust Between Police and the Communites They Serve".

Is the panel open to the public or just alumni/subscribers?

Let me check.

[Pointgod]

Kentucky is a solidly red state that’s only 15% non white. The idea that you’re going to get a bunch Independents and Moderate Republicans crossover to vote for a Defund the Police Democrat strains credulity. Beshear should a good blue print for the type of Democratic campaign that can win Kentucky. Keep it local. Don’t nationalize the race