2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[Fat]

Vassell is one of my favs in the draft but I’m not drafting him with the pick. Rather have Deni who can be a plus defender and has higher upside offensively

[robillionaire]

Macri campaigning for Okoro over Vassell, lol. has he not watched a Knicks game recently? we need shooting and if the choice is between Vassell and Okoro, both great defenders w/ Vassell being the far superior shooter, the choice is easy: Vassell, he fits better next to Mitch and RJ

fit is important; many talented players fail because they were drafted to teams where they didnt fit

I’d take Okoro as he will be BPA I’m not drafting for fit

[robillionaire]

I’m usually against drafting 3&D players on the top ten but if we fall to 8 or 9, Vassell should be the pick. I think he’s got a better chance of developing an off the dribble game more so than a guy like Halliburton. I think it was Melo but he compared Vassell to Middleton and every time I watch him that’s all I see too.

That's all you see? This kid can jump out the gym and defensively he's already on an elite in college.

Imagine what Thibs will do with Devin?

Most of the highlights I’ve watched his off the dribble game consists of attacking close outs. There’s not a lot of wiggle in his handle, it’s mostly straight line drives. That just screams 3&D to me, at least off the bat. Since he’s got a nice pull up game, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him develop into something more. It’s why I really like the Middleton comp. I don’t really see jump out the gym athleticism either. He’s an NBA athlete for sure but he doesn’t get to the rim a lot in the half court. I like him but don’t love him, I certainly wouldn’t complain if we drafted him at 8 but at 6? I think there would be someone better there.

I agree he’s a 3 and D guy. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. His handle isn’t good though. Wouldn’t even take in my top 10

I mean I wouldn’t be mad about it if we took him 8-10 but it wouldn’t be my pick there. It isn’t someone I’d be super happy to come away with after starting 4-18 and tanking a season but knowing our luck that’s what will happen

[RHODEY]

3 and D role player at best

That's his floor .

[RHODEY]

I’m usually against drafting 3&D players on the top ten but if we fall to 8 or 9, Vassell should be the pick. I think he’s got a better chance of developing an off the dribble game more so than a guy like Halliburton. I think it was Melo but he compared Vassell to Middleton and every time I watch him that’s all I see too.

That's all you see? This kid can jump out the gym and defensively he's already on an elite in college.

Imagine what Thibs will do with Devin?

Most of the highlights I’ve watched his off the dribble game consists of attacking close outs. There’s not a lot of wiggle in his handle, it’s mostly straight line drives. That just screams 3&D to me, at least off the bat. Since he’s got a nice pull up game, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him develop into something more. It’s why I really like the Middleton comp. I don’t really see jump out the gym athleticism either. He’s an NBA athlete for sure but he doesn’t get to the rim a lot in the half court. I like him but don’t love him, I certainly wouldn’t complain if we drafted him at 8 but at 6? I think there would be someone better there.

I wasnt aware he was athletic at all since early on people were comparing him to James Posey. Then I watched the highlight video here and I was like :



I didn't expect any athleticism at all but he's got a considerable amount....I already knew he brought the elidefense and the near elite shooting.

If the handle improves his ceiling goes from Middleton to PG13. Either way he's looking like more than a solid pick under Thibs....
If you see his bio this kid had to work for his minutes...Sounds like he'll have a chip on his shoulder. I love betting on players like that.

[HEZI]

3 and D role player at best

That's his floor .

In the NBA? No that's his role. He's got a long way to go to reach anything more than that

[3toheadmelo]

I’m usually against drafting 3&D players on the top ten but if we fall to 8 or 9, Vassell should be the pick. I think he’s got a better chance of developing an off the dribble game more so than a guy like Halliburton. I think it was Melo but he compared Vassell to Middleton and every time I watch him that’s all I see too.

That's all you see? This kid can jump out the gym and defensively he's already on an elite in college.

Imagine what Thibs will do with Devin?

Most of the highlights I’ve watched his off the dribble game consists of attacking close outs. There’s not a lot of wiggle in his handle, it’s mostly straight line drives. That just screams 3&D to me, at least off the bat. Since he’s got a nice pull up game, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him develop into something more. It’s why I really like the Middleton comp. I don’t really see jump out the gym athleticism either. He’s an NBA athlete for sure but he doesn’t get to the rim a lot in the half court. I like him but don’t love him, I certainly wouldn’t complain if we drafted him at 8 but at 6? I think there would be someone better there.

Im with you. In the 8-10 range why not

[knickstape4ever]

Macri campaigning for Okoro over Vassell, lol. has he not watched a Knicks game recently? we need shooting and if the choice is between Vassell and Okoro, both great defenders w/ Vassell being the far superior shooter, the choice is easy: Vassell, he fits better next to Mitch and RJ

fit is important; many talented players fail because they were drafted to teams where they didnt fit

I’d take Okoro as he will be BPA I’m not drafting for fit

I think there's definitely an argument that Vassell is better. Vassell is the better shooter, and advanced stats even favor his defense to Okoro's (Vassell w/ higher DRTG and DBPM)

fit is important, if a players skillset doesn't compliment the other main players on the roster, it's more likely said player won't reach their potential

[robillionaire]

Macri campaigning for Okoro over Vassell, lol. has he not watched a Knicks game recently? we need shooting and if the choice is between Vassell and Okoro, both great defenders w/ Vassell being the far superior shooter, the choice is easy: Vassell, he fits better next to Mitch and RJ

fit is important; many talented players fail because they were drafted to teams where they didnt fit

I’d take Okoro as he will be BPA I’m not drafting for fit

I think there's definitely an argument that Vassell is better. Vassell is the better shooter, and advanced stats even favor his defense to Okoro's (Vassell w/ higher DRTG and DBPM)

fit is important, if a players skillset doesn't compliment the other main players on the roster, it's more likely said player won't reach their potential

Sure there’s an argument I just don’t agree I’m high on okoro

[RHODEY]

3 and D role player at best

That's his floor .

In the NBA? No that's his role. He's got a long way to go to reach anything more than that

Elite team defense, Near elite shooting, hard worker, Great length
, good athleticism, mediocre handle ...He's someone that will contribute immediately and his intangibles rate high. His few weaknesses are improvable , would thrive under Thibs , spreads the floor while not taking away from RJ"S touches....so yes in the NBA I think roleplayer is his floor.

[HEZI]

That's his floor .

In the NBA? No that's his role. He's got a long way to go to reach anything more than that

Elite team defense, Near elite shooting, hard worker, Great length
, good athleticism, mediocre handle ...He's someone that will contribute immediately and his intangibles rate high. His few weaknesses are improvable , would thrive under Thibs , spreads the floor while not taking away from RJ"S touches....so yes in the NBA I think roleplayer is his floor.

Everything about his game screams 3D roleplayer. You can paint whatever ceiling for him that you want

[Guano]

3&D - two things this team sorely lacks and fits with our 2.5* young building blocks.

Though we really need someone to break down a defense, too.

And despite those two needs and Mitch, I'm taking Wiseman over all. Don't care that everyone says the L has changed never pass up on an elite big.

[RHODEY]

In the NBA? No that's his role. He's got a long way to go to reach anything more than that

Elite team defense, Near elite shooting, hard worker, Great length
, good athleticism, mediocre handle ...He's someone that will contribute immediately and his intangibles rate high. His few weaknesses are improvable , would thrive under Thibs , spreads the floor while not taking away from RJ"S touches....so yes in the NBA I think roleplayer is his floor.

Everything about his game screams 3D roleplayer. You can paint whatever ceiling for him that you want

I don't agree that 3D roleplayer is his ceiling. I gave my reason why based on facts about his game, not painting a picture. Thanks for your response.

[HarthorneWingo]

That's all you see? This kid can jump out the gym and defensively he's already on an elite in college.

Imagine what Thibs will do with Devin?

Most of the highlights I’ve watched his off the dribble game consists of attacking close outs. There’s not a lot of wiggle in his handle, it’s mostly straight line drives. That just screams 3&D to me, at least off the bat. Since he’s got a nice pull up game, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him develop into something more. It’s why I really like the Middleton comp. I don’t really see jump out the gym athleticism either. He’s an NBA athlete for sure but he doesn’t get to the rim a lot in the half court. I like him but don’t love him, I certainly wouldn’t complain if we drafted him at 8 but at 6? I think there would be someone better there.

I wasnt aware he was athletic at all since early on people were comparing him to James Posey. Then I watched the highlight video here and I was like :



I didn't expect any athleticism at all but he's got a considerable amount....I already knew he brought the elidefense and the near elite shooting.

If the handle improves his ceiling goes from Middleton to PG13. Either way he's looking like more than a solid pick under Thibs....
If you see his bio this kid had to work for his minutes...Sounds like he'll have a chip on his shoulder. I love betting on players like that.

Sorry for jumping I on this conversation but are you thinking about drafting Vassel with our lottery pick?

[HEZI]

Elite team defense, Near elite shooting, hard worker, Great length
, good athleticism, mediocre handle ...He's someone that will contribute immediately and his intangibles rate high. His few weaknesses are improvable , would thrive under Thibs , spreads the floor while not taking away from RJ"S touches....so yes in the NBA I think roleplayer is his floor.

Everything about his game screams 3D roleplayer. You can paint whatever ceiling for him that you want

I don't agree that 3D roleplayer is his ceiling. I gave my reason why based on facts about his game, not painting a picture. Thanks for your response.

You gave no facts other than giving me his college numbers. We're talking NBA ceiling, his game, as is right now, is 3D role player even in college that's what he is. 84% of his shots are assisted, in college. He has no Iso scoring ability and whatever he has is very limited. Now transitioning to the NBA he's going to be what? A star? Yeah ok

[RHODEY]

Most of the highlights I’ve watched his off the dribble game consists of attacking close outs. There’s not a lot of wiggle in his handle, it’s mostly straight line drives. That just screams 3&D to me, at least off the bat. Since he’s got a nice pull up game, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him develop into something more. It’s why I really like the Middleton comp. I don’t really see jump out the gym athleticism either. He’s an NBA athlete for sure but he doesn’t get to the rim a lot in the half court. I like him but don’t love him, I certainly wouldn’t complain if we drafted him at 8 but at 6? I think there would be someone better there.

I wasnt aware he was athletic at all since early on people were comparing him to James Posey. Then I watched the highlight video here and I was like :



I didn't expect any athleticism at all but he's got a considerable amount....I already knew he brought the elidefense and the near elite shooting.

If the handle improves his ceiling goes from Middleton to PG13. Either way he's looking like more than a solid pick under Thibs....
If you see his bio this kid had to work for his minutes...Sounds like he'll have a chip on his shoulder. I love betting on players like that.

Sorry for jumping I on this conversation but are you thinking about drafting Vassel with our lottery pick?

Anywhere from 7th-10th yes indeed, but I wouldn't be mad to get him anywhere to be honest .

[RHODEY]

Everything about his game screams 3D roleplayer. You can paint whatever ceiling for him that you want

I don't agree that 3D roleplayer is his ceiling. I gave my reason why based on facts about his game, not painting a picture. Thanks for your response.

You gave no facts other than giving me his college numbers. We're talking NBA ceiling, his game, as is right now, is 3D role player even in college that's what he is. 84% of his shots are assisted, in college. He has no Iso scoring ability and whatever he has is very limited. Now transitioning to the NBA he's going to be what? A star? Yeah ok

Right what other facts would i have to give? Middleton has no ISO scoring abilities, and he's doing just fine. But I tend to side with NBA scouts who think Vassel could be special. You don't agree, that s cool. We don't agree on Cole Anthony or Hayes either and that's cool too.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don't agree that 3D roleplayer is his ceiling. I gave my reason why based on facts about his game, not painting a picture. Thanks for your response.

You gave no facts other than giving me his college numbers. We're talking NBA ceiling, his game, as is right now, is 3D role player even in college that's what he is. 84% of his shots are assisted, in college. He has no Iso scoring ability and whatever he has is very limited. Now transitioning to the NBA he's going to be what? A star? Yeah ok

Right what other facts would i have to give? Middleton has no ISO scoring abilities, and he's doing just fine. But I tend to side with NBA scouts who think Vassel could be special. You don't agree, that s cool. We don't agree on Cole Anthony or Hayes either and that's cool too.

Wait, I thought Team Hezi was down with Haliburton? Cole Anthony? Ew.

I may have to withhold this months dues until I get clarification. lol

[HEZI]

I don't agree that 3D roleplayer is his ceiling. I gave my reason why based on facts about his game, not painting a picture. Thanks for your response.

You gave no facts other than giving me his college numbers. We're talking NBA ceiling, his game, as is right now, is 3D role player even in college that's what he is. 84% of his shots are assisted, in college. He has no Iso scoring ability and whatever he has is very limited. Now transitioning to the NBA he's going to be what? A star? Yeah ok

Right what other facts would i have to give? Middleton has no ISO scoring abilities, and he's doing just fine. But I tend to side with NBA scouts who think Vassel could be special. You don't agree, that s cool. We don't agree on Cole Anthony or Hayes either and that's cool too.

Yes he does. Every year some lanky 3D wing gets compared to either Kawhi or Middleton

[sims]

Vassell is one of my favs in the draft but I’m not drafting him with the pick. Rather have Deni who can be a plus defender and has higher upside offensively

yeah i have lamelo, wiseman, and deni in my top tier but outside of that i wouldn't have a problem taking vassell anywhere from 4-10. i see him as basically this year's deandre hunter - very similar production and high floor - you know you're going to at least get an nba player and most likely a starter with the potential to develop into something better down the line. i like that his frame is a little leaner and quicker than hunter - bodes well for his potential as a more dynamic scorer IMO. although yes his offensive game is going to take several years to develop

he's the type of player we need to get accustomed to with walt perrin in the fold