2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[omerome]

Mann is the man

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Nice.

His stepback creates SO much separation which would make him a pretty tough guard. And I really like how shifty he is.

[robillionaire]

I think we got hoodwinked into believing that it was going to be a strong draft, and that's not even me being sour grapes that we don't have a top 5 pick because we have 4 picks in this draft

Now I'll break down why I think that based on tankathon's draft order

Cade - not as good as I thought he'd look, won't score as easily with bully ball against NBA defenses, has to have the ball in his hands, poor spot-up shooter, not very athletic or explosive, would still rather have LaMelo. But he's a lock for #1 and has a lot of potential.

Mobley- who drafts a center top 5? isn't anthony davis. looks more like a souped up mo bamba, good passer, might be ok but not worth losing sleep over. needs a sandwich

Suggs- looked pretty good playing on the most stacked team in NCAA history who made it very easy for him. He looks solid but I'm not particularly wowed

Green-ok in the G-League. Only reason he kept this spot is because he was here when the season started and nobody else rose enough to take the spot and he didn't rise enough to take anybody else's spot.

Kuminga-See above, plus shot 38% FG in the G League and 24% from 3. jesus christ this is what a top 5 player looks like in a stacked draft?

Jalen Johnson-Had maybe two good games all season against Coppin State and then got injured and quit on Duke, can't really shoot, turnover machine

Barnes- Can't score or rebound. SF version of Frank if Frank could pass

Kispert- Is old and from 3 shot 3-10 against BYU 2-8 against UCLA and 2-7 against Baylor in the 3 most important games of the season. That's 28% when they needed him the most. insert reggie miller pic with hands on neck

Sengun-This guy is a top 10 pick now? Damn this is a weak draft. Mystery center from Turkey. In fairness his stats look great but he probably just rose this high because the draft is so weak. I'd probably take him because everyone else looks bad

Wagner-What's so special about this guy? Top 10? Like I'm genuinely confused about this one, no category stands out. How's Mortiz doing?

Keon-bad offensive player, can't shoot, 27% from 3, more turnovers than assists, offensive BPM was 1. lol

Moody- fizzled out in the tournament, shot 6-30 in the last 2 tournament games, doesn't pass, homeless danny green. at least he's young

Bouknight-1.8 ast to 2.8 turnovers a game. shot 29% from 3, trending downwards

Isaiah Jackson- no real offensive game, foul prone, can't shoot, 1 dimensional shot blocker, poor man's nerlens noel, I would still be ok drafting him because reasons

Ziaire Williams- just look at this man's stats, where do you start? it's like looking at a car accident, what went wrong? how is he even in the first round?

Garuba- 6'8 power forward who averages 8ppg in spain or something and shoots 55% from the free throw line

Davion Mitchell- as old as Methuselah, ESPN wants him to go top 10. If we were getting him here at 17th I'd probably be cool with it, but again, he's old

Springer- Anybody else just forget that this guy existed and was supposed to be a lottery pick? I'd be ok taking him here at 18 but nothing looks special here

Kai Jones-Just what we need another power forward with no offensive game averaged 8ppg and a poor rebounder. What am I supposed to be impressed by

Duarte-oh my god... I thought Davion was old... this guy will be 24 when the season starts, reminds me of this kid I know who failed 8th grade 3 times to the point he drove a car to grade school, but he dominated us all in gym

Giddey-this is a good basketball player, finally, something that's interesting to me, at pick 21

Sharpe-just looks like your average run of the mill boring center

Jared Butler-looks ok I guess, is old. would be ok taking him 23rd I guess

Greg Brown-instead of typing it all out, just go here and look at all his weaknesses. So much red it would make your eyes bleed and somehow managed to have a negative OBPM. http://www.tankathon.com/players/greg-brown

Petrusev-Who? At pick 25 We're getting into the 21 year old serbian centers now. That's how bad this is. 6 centers in the top 25 and none of them even look good besides maybe Mobley

Cooper- 6'1 and shoots 22% from 3. Need I say more?

I'm actually just going to stop at 26 because it's not getting any better from here folks.

Wow. I don't know where to start with your analysis. I couldn't disagree more. Top 5 all have star potential, and you'll see it next year with Cade, Suggs and Green.

Mobley and Kominga will take some time to develop, but still have star potential. Mobley won Pac 12 player of the year, Rookie of the year, and Defensive player of the year for good reason. First player to ever do that in the Pac 12 as a freshman, and I don't need to get into how many great players came from that conference over the years. And look what the Pac-12 did in the tourney. It might have been the strongest conference last year. Mobley has everything you'd want and more out of a big man.

I'm not going to respond on the others, but I don't agree at all with your evals.

That said, neither one of us will know who is right until a few years down the road.

sure they have star potential, never denied that.

but all last year we were told things like "the late first round in this draft would be top 5 or 10 in this draft and I'm not really seeing that. a lot of the guys who were supposed to be good were not that good

[damedash09]

Big tre mann fan would def take him with one of the picks

Very smooth game, plus 6'5

Mann saved his best ball for the end of the season, averaging 20.8 points in his last seven games while shooting 56%. He shot 83% from the line this season . K

[3toheadmelo]

Big tre mann fan would def take him with one of the picks

Very smooth game, plus 6'5

Mann saved his best ball for the end of the season, averaging 20.8 points in his last seven games while shooting 56%. He shot 83% from the line this season . K

if we can't get bouknight, i think tre mann would be my next target. assuming davion mitchell is already gone

[knickstape4ever]

Big tre mann fan would def take him with one of the picks

Very smooth game, plus 6'5

Mann saved his best ball for the end of the season, averaging 20.8 points in his last seven games while shooting 56%. He shot 83% from the line this season . K

if we can't get bouknight, i think tre mann would be my next target. assuming davion mitchell is already gone

why not both ?

I'm a big proponent of trading up from the Mavs pick and maybe even using Obi to do so since he has no future w/ Randle

realistically that pick will be 20-22 (f*cking could be better if Memphis didn't choke...Hawks, Celtics, Blazers close in W-L) and if we can move into the 12-14 range, chances of landing an impact player (even a star) increase

[3toheadmelo]

Big tre mann fan would def take him with one of the picks

Very smooth game, plus 6'5

if we can't get bouknight, i think tre mann would be my next target. assuming davion mitchell is already gone

why not both ?

I'm a big proponent of trading up from the Mavs pick and maybe even using Obi to do so since he has no future w/ Randle

realistically that pick will be 20-22 (f*cking could be better if Memphis didn't choke...Hawks, Celtics, Blazers close in W-L) and if we can move into the 12-14 range, chances of landing an impact player (even a star) increase

i'd love to get both but im tryna think realistically. i don't see the knicks trading obi to move up. there's even a chance both might be gone by our pick

im curious to hear your thoughts on tre mann though. i know you like them shot creators like me

[knickstape4ever]

if we can't get bouknight, i think tre mann would be my next target. assuming davion mitchell is already gone

why not both ?

I'm a big proponent of trading up from the Mavs pick and maybe even using Obi to do so since he has no future w/ Randle

realistically that pick will be 20-22 (f*cking could be better if Memphis didn't choke...Hawks, Celtics, Blazers close in W-L) and if we can move into the 12-14 range, chances of landing an impact player (even a star) increase

i'd love to get both but im tryna think realistically. i don't see the knicks trading obi to move up. there's even a chance both might be gone by our pick

im curious to hear your thoughts on tre mann though. i know you like them shot creators like me

from what I've seen, both are ranked mid-lottery (15-20 range) which seems feasible. obviously media/teams have differing views, so we never truly know. maybe the fact both he and Bouknight are sophomores might work against them. I thought it was crazy when Haliburton fell to 12 last draft

I like Mann a lot. his shot creation is definitely something we need, especially from a PG. having a PG who can shoot off the dribble would really help our offense and help Mitch IMO because defenses will have to respect the pull-up off the P&R. has a nice handle too

I also think he's also a better passer than the AST/TO ratio. would suggest. he made some nice, crafty passes, some off the live-dribble which is what you want from your PG and what distinguishes him from a scoring guard like IQ (basic reads/passing skills)

would be great to land him

another reason why I've abandoned the tank is that I like players that are currently outside the top 10. I'm not in love w/ players in the 6-10 range: K. Johnson, J. Johnson, Barnes, Kispert; the 1st 3 have nice potential, but we need shooting and that's the swing skill for all. and Kispert to me is Doug McDermott

really hoping players like Mann and Bouknight are available w/ at least 1 of our picks. and I think it would make a lot of sense to try to move up as well and land a potentially higher impact player....wouldn't hurt if they sign w/ CAA

I also like Cam Thomas and Josh Christopher (less so than Mann, Bouknight) b/c both are good shot creators too. I think there's also potential w/ Boston and Ziaire in buy-low situations but their freshman seasons did kinda scare me

[3toheadmelo]

why not both ?

I'm a big proponent of trading up from the Mavs pick and maybe even using Obi to do so since he has no future w/ Randle

realistically that pick will be 20-22 (f*cking could be better if Memphis didn't choke...Hawks, Celtics, Blazers close in W-L) and if we can move into the 12-14 range, chances of landing an impact player (even a star) increase

i'd love to get both but im tryna think realistically. i don't see the knicks trading obi to move up. there's even a chance both might be gone by our pick

im curious to hear your thoughts on tre mann though. i know you like them shot creators like me

from what I've seen, both are ranked mid-lottery (15-20 range) which seems feasible. obviously media/teams have differing views, so we never truly know. maybe the fact both he and Bouknight are sophomores might work against them. I thought it was crazy when Haliburton fell to 12 last draft

I like Mann a lot. his shot creation is definitely something we need, especially from a PG. having a PG who can shoot off the dribble would really help our offense and help Mitch IMO because defenses will have to respect the pull-up off the P&R. has a nice handle too

I also think he's also a better passer than the AST/TO ratio. would suggest. he made some nice, crafty passes, some off the live-dribble which is what you want from your PG and what distinguishes him from a scoring guard like IQ (basic reads/passing skills)

would be great to land him

another reason why I've abandoned the tank is that I like players that are currently outside the top 10. I'm not in love w/ players in the 6-10 range: K. Johnson, J. Johnson, Barnes, Kispert; the 1st 3 have nice potential, but we need shooting and that's the swing skill for all. and Kispert to me is Doug McDermott

really hoping players like Mann and Bouknight are available w/ at least 1 of our picks. and I think it would make a lot of sense to try to move up as well and land a potentially higher impact player....wouldn't hurt if they sign w/ CAA

I also like Cam Thomas and Josh Christopher (less so than Mann, Bouknight) b/c both are good shot creators too. I think there's also potential w/ Boston and Ziaire in buy-low situations but their freshman seasons did kinda scare me

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

[robillionaire]

i'd love to get both but im tryna think realistically. i don't see the knicks trading obi to move up. there's even a chance both might be gone by our pick

im curious to hear your thoughts on tre mann though. i know you like them shot creators like me

from what I've seen, both are ranked mid-lottery (15-20 range) which seems feasible. obviously media/teams have differing views, so we never truly know. maybe the fact both he and Bouknight are sophomores might work against them. I thought it was crazy when Haliburton fell to 12 last draft

I like Mann a lot. his shot creation is definitely something we need, especially from a PG. having a PG who can shoot off the dribble would really help our offense and help Mitch IMO because defenses will have to respect the pull-up off the P&R. has a nice handle too

I also think he's also a better passer than the AST/TO ratio. would suggest. he made some nice, crafty passes, some off the live-dribble which is what you want from your PG and what distinguishes him from a scoring guard like IQ (basic reads/passing skills)

would be great to land him

another reason why I've abandoned the tank is that I like players that are currently outside the top 10. I'm not in love w/ players in the 6-10 range: K. Johnson, J. Johnson, Barnes, Kispert; the 1st 3 have nice potential, but we need shooting and that's the swing skill for all. and Kispert to me is Doug McDermott

really hoping players like Mann and Bouknight are available w/ at least 1 of our picks. and I think it would make a lot of sense to try to move up as well and land a potentially higher impact player....wouldn't hurt if they sign w/ CAA

I also like Cam Thomas and Josh Christopher (less so than Mann, Bouknight) b/c both are good shot creators too. I think there's also potential w/ Boston and Ziaire in buy-low situations but their freshman seasons did kinda scare me

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

[WargamesX]

from what I've seen, both are ranked mid-lottery (15-20 range) which seems feasible. obviously media/teams have differing views, so we never truly know. maybe the fact both he and Bouknight are sophomores might work against them. I thought it was crazy when Haliburton fell to 12 last draft

I like Mann a lot. his shot creation is definitely something we need, especially from a PG. having a PG who can shoot off the dribble would really help our offense and help Mitch IMO because defenses will have to respect the pull-up off the P&R. has a nice handle too

I also think he's also a better passer than the AST/TO ratio. would suggest. he made some nice, crafty passes, some off the live-dribble which is what you want from your PG and what distinguishes him from a scoring guard like IQ (basic reads/passing skills)

would be great to land him

another reason why I've abandoned the tank is that I like players that are currently outside the top 10. I'm not in love w/ players in the 6-10 range: K. Johnson, J. Johnson, Barnes, Kispert; the 1st 3 have nice potential, but we need shooting and that's the swing skill for all. and Kispert to me is Doug McDermott

really hoping players like Mann and Bouknight are available w/ at least 1 of our picks. and I think it would make a lot of sense to try to move up as well and land a potentially higher impact player....wouldn't hurt if they sign w/ CAA

I also like Cam Thomas and Josh Christopher (less so than Mann, Bouknight) b/c both are good shot creators too. I think there's also potential w/ Boston and Ziaire in buy-low situations but their freshman seasons did kinda scare me

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

[3toheadmelo]

from what I've seen, both are ranked mid-lottery (15-20 range) which seems feasible. obviously media/teams have differing views, so we never truly know. maybe the fact both he and Bouknight are sophomores might work against them. I thought it was crazy when Haliburton fell to 12 last draft

I like Mann a lot. his shot creation is definitely something we need, especially from a PG. having a PG who can shoot off the dribble would really help our offense and help Mitch IMO because defenses will have to respect the pull-up off the P&R. has a nice handle too

I also think he's also a better passer than the AST/TO ratio. would suggest. he made some nice, crafty passes, some off the live-dribble which is what you want from your PG and what distinguishes him from a scoring guard like IQ (basic reads/passing skills)

would be great to land him

another reason why I've abandoned the tank is that I like players that are currently outside the top 10. I'm not in love w/ players in the 6-10 range: K. Johnson, J. Johnson, Barnes, Kispert; the 1st 3 have nice potential, but we need shooting and that's the swing skill for all. and Kispert to me is Doug McDermott

really hoping players like Mann and Bouknight are available w/ at least 1 of our picks. and I think it would make a lot of sense to try to move up as well and land a potentially higher impact player....wouldn't hurt if they sign w/ CAA

I also like Cam Thomas and Josh Christopher (less so than Mann, Bouknight) b/c both are good shot creators too. I think there's also potential w/ Boston and Ziaire in buy-low situations but their freshman seasons did kinda scare me

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

Might even be able to get him on a two way contract but I don’t mind taking him at 58. It’s a good gamble. I personally think he’s still a lottery talent

[3toheadmelo]

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

He can’t go back to school

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[WargamesX]

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

He can’t go back to school

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Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

[robillionaire]

Im not really a big fan of the players in the 6-10 range too. I think I only like Jalen Johnson out of those players you mentioned. Wagner, Isaiah Jackson, Alperen Sengun seem like meh players as well.

I don’t really see it with Boston. I watched a video the other day that had all of his buckets this season and his handle isn’t all that. His handle is like a little better than Knox’s. I like Ziarie more. I think he’s a better shot creator imo.

This may be a hot take but if we were to take a gamble on a Kentucky kid, it should be Terrence Clarke. His handle is really good and can hit a variety of shots off the dribble. He was just hurt this season so he couldn’t really show out

DX has him going 70th or something so let's just scoop him up 58th

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

he already declared for the draft and supposedly was going to sign an agent, not sure if that happened already but he won't be back

[3toheadmelo]

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

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Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

Better for us cause we might be able to get a lottery talent in the second round or as a two way contract

[robillionaire]

I think he goes back as a sophomore. No point in leaving now.

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Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

the knicks went out and got an extra late 2nd at the deadline. coincidence?

[WargamesX]

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Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

Better for us cause we might be able to get a lottery talent in the second round or as a two way contract

Idk Cal comparing him to Jarred Vanderbilt says a lot. I’m not against taking a flyer but I wouldn’t expect lottery talent. The kid was raw.

[robillionaire]

Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

Better for us cause we might be able to get a lottery talent in the second round or as a two way contract

Idk Cal comparing him to Jarred Vanderbilt says a lot. I’m not against taking a flyer but I wouldn’t expect lottery talent. The kid was raw.

he was raw, but how do you go from being considered a top 8 pick to undrafted after only playing in 8 games?

actually my memory was off, he played in 5 complete games, got injured during the 6th game, tried to go in the 7th game and couldn't played injured for 16 mins, and then tried to come back on the last game of the season and played 10 minutes

I just don't see how you go from top 10 pick to undrafted in that sample size

[WargamesX]

Better for us cause we might be able to get a lottery talent in the second round or as a two way contract

Idk Cal comparing him to Jarred Vanderbilt says a lot. I’m not against taking a flyer but I wouldn’t expect lottery talent. The kid was raw.

he was raw, but how do you go from being considered a top 8 pick to undrafted after only playing in 8 games?

He’ll go second round. Probably before 58 too

The issue is he played really bad for half his 8 games and 7 of those were losses, and then he got injured, also that 8th game was the only one he played in after the injury and it was horrible. The norm is he goes back to improve his draft stock. A lot of players in his situation go back, and try to have a successful season to be drafted as a Sophmore.

Yeah you give the reasoning behind it, but he should have gone back. A lot of players tank their draft position for this same reason.

[3toheadmelo]

Now I’m questioning his BBIQ

Better for us cause we might be able to get a lottery talent in the second round or as a two way contract

Idk Cal comparing him to Jarred Vanderbilt says a lot. I’m not against taking a flyer but I wouldn’t expect lottery talent. The kid was raw.

Not sure I get that comparison. Clarke is a way better shot creator, and can shoot even if the #s look bad. Vanderbilt can’t shoot at all and can’t really create.

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