Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[TerrenceClarke]

donovan needs to show up to camp like James Harden...its that simple.

no its not. James Harden being out of shape is easy for him. Its not easy for DM. He would have to go against ALL his training to come to camp fat. If it takes him coming to camp fat to get traded then he not getting traded.

I was being facetious. But him playing nice guy isn't going to help him get traded. Sometimes you need to be an a-hole to get your way.

Its called showing respect to me. Why make yourself the bad guy when you dont even have control where you land. If Utah sends him to NYC they doing him a favor. He talk **** and he can end up elsewhere. You would rather have the dude create negative press about himself just to get traded? damn bro...the Thirst is Elite.

We talking First Team ALL Dry Mouth here.

[Deeeez Knicks]

This whole leverage angle is overrated imo.

To some extent it may truly be overrated, BUT IMO there is a certain price tag that makes a Mitchell trade simply not worth it anymore. If Mitchell was 6'6 and a bad defender you could at least argue that Thibs may turn him into a good defender but at 6'1 , defense will always a big hole in his game, making him strictly an offensive weapon. I simply would not put together a package worthy of a top 10 player in the league for Mitchell. It will come back to haunt us.

Mitchell is the type of player you put together an attractive package for---but if you go beyond that and completely overextend yourself you'll live to regret that in the not too distant future.

For sure Knicks should not pay way more then they should and need some ammo left over. Its tough to say what is even on the table so far as there are so many different rumors.

[Spree2Houston]

Negotiations for the next 3 months

[Capn'O]

Told y’all there wasn’t anything close to happening

I told ya it wasn’t close to happening like 4 threads ago.

But then how am I supposed to make spicy titles?

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

donovan needs to show up to camp like James Harden...its that simple.

This

[mpharris36]

no its not. James Harden being out of shape is easy for him. Its not easy for DM. He would have to go against ALL his training to come to camp fat. If it takes him coming to camp fat to get traded then he not getting traded.

I was being facetious. But him playing nice guy isn't going to help him get traded. Sometimes you need to be an a-hole to get your way.

Its called showing respect to me. Why make yourself the bad guy when you dont even have control where you land. If Utah sends him to NYC they doing him a favor. He talk **** and he can end up elsewhere. You would rather have the dude create negative press about himself just to get traded? damn bro...the Thirst is Elite.

We talking First Team ALL Dry Mouth here.

It happens all the time. Guys publicly make it known they want out or at least get it out to trusted media members. The Jazz traded Gobert for picks probably before they consulted with Donovan...I wouldn't expect any good player to stand pat and want to waste his years away next to Fontecchio and Vanderbilt. If they want to rebuild he doesn't have to be a good soldier and sit passively about it.

KD is doing it right now with plenty years remaining on his contract and no one will care when he's on his new team. Its the way of the NBA. The stars have all the power.

[N Y K]

Jaylen is on DONDA Sports? Forget it y'all

[KnicksNext]

Where exactly is Miami going to get the assets to outbid the Knicks?

As you know, and as you've seen in the past, Pat Riley is the master of figuring out how to make the impossible possible. He'll pull in a 3rd team. Miami is like the Lakers in that they somehow pull magical rabbits out of their hats with nothing but thin air. Who the F knows how he'll get it done? But doubting Pat Riley is almost always a mistake.

And it does not have to be Miami, btw. I'm sure there are quite a few teams that are interested in Mitchell. Just because we haven't heard heard names, doesn't mean there aren't sleeper teams interested. I can remember many situations in the past where you think a player is going to a specific team, and wake up one day and here he's going somewhere else. This idea that the Knicks are the only team that has any value to give back to Utah is silly.

The longer Rose waits to pull the trigger and give Ainge what he wants, the better the chance another team swoops in and grabs DMitch. Rose is allowing other teams the time to take a second look at their roster/assets to see if they can put together a package that would interest Ainge together. Teams also have the time to construct 3+ team trades as well.

Do the Knicks most likely have what Ainge wants the most? Probably. But to think that other teams are not working hard to pry a 25 year old star locked in for 4 years away from Utah is naïve (not saying this is you). I'm sure Ainge has fielded a lot of calls about him. And I'm he's still getting more as time goes on.

There's no need to guess or speculate though.

We know every team who can/will give 5+ picks. It's the Knicks.

Ainge has been spending the last week canvassing the league and shopping the Knicks offer. He keeps coming back to NY.

All of Ainge's leverage is based on Mitchell playing good soldier. Mitchell, who is represented by Leon Rose's CAA, is probably less open to starting the season in Utah or ending up in a small market than Ainge is posturing.

The Knicks don't have all the leverage, but they have enough to be patient.

I don't disagree with a lot of your points, but it's still only July. Ainge has 3+ months to get what he wants.

[KnicksNext]

Last year team defenses would double Randle and force him into a turnover. This season he should get more 1-1 matchups. If he wins those the Knicks will look much better. RJ will probably be the guy left open so he needs to be a better shooter than before.

You're assuming Randle is going to accept that he's now the third wheel. It's going to be fascinating to see how the Randle situation plays out if we get Mitchell too.

This season in the 4th quarter Randle was tied for 4th in shot attempts behind IQ, RJ and Rose so he probably wants other good players on the team to have the ball more.

Not sure how you can be so positive considering how big of a piece of crap Randle was last year. Hope you're right, though.

[HopelessKnick]

Here are some further Donovan Mitchell red flags:

1) In 2021 in the second round of the playoffs Kawhi Leonard went down with the torn ACL in game 4. The series was even at 2-2. The Jazz were the first seed and had a completely healthy squad as well as home court advantage vs. a Clippers team without their best player. What was the outcome? The Clippers won both following games en route to a 4-2 series upset. Mitchell went 18-46 (39%) in the final two games and the Jazz had essentially blown a 2-0 lead.

2) Last year in the playoffs Doncic was injured for the first 3 games of the series against the Jazz. Outcome? 2-1 for Dallas with Brunson averaging 30 points over that 3 game stretch. You would have thought that a healthy Jazz squad would have capitalized on Doncic missing and jumped out to a 3-0 lead or at least 2-1 lead but the Jazz came up short again.

3) You can look up the Jazz record over the past 5 years with Mitchell missing games vs. Gobert missing games. When Gobert misses games, the Jazz go from .640 win pace to like .450 pace. When Mitchell misses games the Jazz go from .640 to like .600 ---which clearly suggests that Gobert's impact is much much bigger than Mitchell's impact. Last year the Jazz went 8-7 without Mitchell and in 20/21 they even went 13-6 without Michell (overall 21-13). In terms of wins and losses Mitchell's impact is not as high as some star-starving knick fan may believe.

4) The Jazz did try quite A LOT to work their team around Mitchell. They brought in Rubio and then Conley (both excellent defenders) to cover for Mitchell's defensive deficiencies. They had the biggest defensive inside presence to cover for Mitchell (Gobert). They had other great wing defenders (O'Neal). They had formidable shooters around Mitchell (Bojan, Ingles). They even had the 6th man of the year and were always well coached. All of that resulted mostly in first round exits. Anyone thinking that Mitchell is THAT player that will completely turn the trajectory of this franchise around and is willing to give up 6 FRPs + 3 young assets is simply COMPLETELY overrating the impact that Mitchell is gonna have in terms of winning basketball games, let alone playoff series.

And don't get me wrong: I definitely would be willing to pay a solid price for Mitchell, but paying an insane price would set this franchise back, not help it.

[Im Coming Home]

Am I misremembering that Mitchell was "known" for his defensive his rookie and maybe sophmore year? What happened if so

[Gravy]

You're assuming Randle is going to accept that he's now the third wheel. It's going to be fascinating to see how the Randle situation plays out if we get Mitchell too.

This season in the 4th quarter Randle was tied for 4th in shot attempts behind IQ, RJ and Rose so he probably wants other good players on the team to have the ball more.

Not sure how you can be so positive considering how big of a piece of crap Randle was last year. Hope you're right, though.

Its like when fans were overly angry at Elfrid, THJ or Mudiay etc and blamed them for every single thing wrong with the franchise. Its usually not as bad as the people freaking out make it seem and there's a bunch of problems not just one guy.

[Spree2Houston]

If Mitchell does comes here, this supporting cast would be better than what he had in Utah. Fit is questionable but this would be the most talented team Mitchell would’ve been on. The more we’re able to retain in the trade the better.

[knicksstuff]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Why is this even a discussion? BRown is being traded for KD Hes not coming to the Knicks

Why are we creating fantasy world situations and then eventually complaining about not completing these types of trades

[SARGO127]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Why is this even a discussion? BRown is being traded for KD Hes not coming to the Knicks

Why are we creating fantasy world situations and then eventually complaining about not completing these types of trades

Agreed. It was brought up by other posters and they said he wasn’t a fit.

[K_ick_God]

Anyone ever use twitter spaces? I feel like this community needs to transition there. So much knowledge here throughout the years.

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1ynJOZynAEQGR

I know they’re looking for co host and host!

NevaGivinKnixUp trying to GetYou2GiveRGMUp

[Polk377]

Brown is an ideal fit here. You guys are insane.

Why is this even a discussion? BRown is being traded for KD Hes not coming to the Knicks

Why are we creating fantasy world situations and then eventually complaining about not completing these types of trades

Agreed. It was brought up by other posters and they said he wasn’t a fit.

Complainers always find something to complain about

[Capn'O]

Here are some further Donovan Mitchell red flags:

1) In 2021 in the second round of the playoffs Kawhi Leonard went down with the torn ACL in game 4. The series was even at 2-2. The Jazz were the first seed and had a completely healthy squad as well as home court advantage vs. a Clippers team without their best player. What was the outcome? The Clippers won both following games en route to a 4-2 series upset. Mitchell went 18-46 (39%) in the final two games and the Jazz had essentially blown a 2-0 lead.

2) Last year in the playoffs Doncic was injured for the first 3 games of the series against the Jazz. Outcome? 2-1 for Dallas with Brunson averaging 30 points over that 3 game stretch. You would have thought that a healthy Jazz squad would have capitalized on Doncic missing and jumped out to a 3-0 lead or at least 2-1 lead but the Jazz came up short again.

3) You can look up the Jazz record over the past 5 years with Mitchell missing games vs. Gobert missing games. When Gobert misses games, the Jazz go from .640 win pace to like .450 pace. When Mitchell misses games the Jazz go from .640 to like .600 ---which clearly suggests that Gobert's impact is much much bigger than Mitchell's impact. Last year the Jazz went 8-7 without Mitchell and in 20/21 they even went 13-6 without Michell (overall 21-13). In terms of wins and losses Mitchell's impact is not as high as some star-starving knick fan may believe.

4) The Jazz did try quite A LOT to work their team around Mitchell. They brought in Rubio and then Conley (both excellent defenders) to cover for Mitchell's defensive deficiencies. They had the biggest defensive inside presence to cover for Mitchell (Gobert). They had other great wing defenders (O'Neal). They had formidable shooters around Mitchell (Bojan, Ingles). They even had the 6th man of the year and were always well coached. All of that resulted mostly in first round exits. Anyone thinking that Mitchell is THAT player that will completely turn the trajectory of this franchise around and is willing to give up 6 FRPs + 3 young assets is simply COMPLETELY overrating the impact that Mitchell is gonna have in terms of winning basketball games, let alone playoff series.

And don't get me wrong: I definitely would be willing to pay a solid price for Mitchell, but paying an insane price would set this franchise back, not help it.

Also, they had a similar record the year prior to Mitchell arriving with Gordon Hayward.

It's not what I would do but I think it's what the Knicks will do.

[TerrenceClarke]

I was being facetious. But him playing nice guy isn't going to help him get traded. Sometimes you need to be an a-hole to get your way.

Its called showing respect to me. Why make yourself the bad guy when you dont even have control where you land. If Utah sends him to NYC they doing him a favor. He talk **** and he can end up elsewhere. You would rather have the dude create negative press about himself just to get traded? damn bro...the Thirst is Elite.

We talking First Team ALL Dry Mouth here.

It happens all the time. Guys publicly make it known they want out or at least get it out to trusted media members. The Jazz traded Gobert for picks probably before they consulted with Donovan...I wouldn't expect any good player to stand pat and want to waste his years away next to Fontecchio and Vanderbilt. If they want to rebuild he doesn't have to be a good soldier and sit passively about it.

KD is doing it right now with plenty years remaining on his contract and no one will care when he's on his new team. Its the way of the NBA. The stars have all the power.

Yeah but he is trying to get traded to a SPECIFIC team tho. He doesn’t want just to be out he wants to be here. He gains nothing in pissing the Utah FO off. You really not seeing the big picture here. His best bet is to play the nice guy. NY ain’t the only Chic at that bar remember that.

[thebuzzardman]

Big Mitch >>> Little Mitch