Moderators: mpharris36, j4remi, HerSports85, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23, Deeeez Knicks
Chanel Bomber wrote:If the Knicks ever win this tournament, James Dolan and MSG will sell it as a meaningful achievement and - if fans go along with it - it will inevitably release some of the pressure on winning a championship.
HighRyzer83 wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:Lmaooo haliFraud just got locked up by dougie houser MD on the Celtics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hasn’t been effective at all since this game matters and the Celtics have slowed the game Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ULTIMATE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's see how they try and justify him picked over Brunson this yr
Capn'O wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:If the Knicks ever win this tournament, James Dolan and MSG will sell it as a meaningful achievement and - if fans go along with it - it will inevitably release some of the pressure on winning a championship.
This is a weird concern because... well... are we talking about the same Knicks franchise here? What has the pressure of winning a championship ever done for the James Dolan Knicks
TheGreenArrow wrote:dakomish23 wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:
He’s the type of player that puts up good numbers in the regular season but in a playoff type environment his game will get exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He can’t play defense and he’s not effecetive when the game slows down and you have to consistently create offense in the half court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude is the Ultimate Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry GA. Just don’t take it out on whomever is at the bottom of the well in your basement.
?s=20
He took horrible shots down the stretch because he couldn’t break anyone down and was lucky they went in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a playoff environment when a team has more than one game to scout and play against you he will get exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait to see it happen in the playoffs if he even makes it there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
god shammgod wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Shout out to the legend Rick carislie for benching Obi bargnani in the 4th quarter (once again) for the defensive stalwart Nesmith. What a difference maker he was last night!
the level of pettiness you have in you
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
It’s more likely that this tournament doesn’t resonate with regular fans and they cancel it before it will destroy the nba by diminishing the playoffs. Especially if the normie fans buy into it being a soulless cash grab.
I only picked the champion leagues cuz that’s clearly what the nba is modeling this tournament after. If anything they should model it after Coppa Italia. Which is another tournament in Serie A, which basically allows lower teams into euro cup and champions leagues. Teams that already qualify for those matches still try and win for the prestige. For example, Inter Milan was last years winner.
You can just do that for the twist in next years tournament. Guarantee a top 6 finish for the winner as long as they’re in the play in. It still makes it clear the playoffs are more important but give there more reason to have it than just money.
But the point of Copa Italia is that it allows teams from different tiers to compete against the elite. There's no point for the NBA because there is no relegation system - it's a closed circuit. There's no inherent meaning to the Cup besides profit.
If the tournament fails then the NBA is wasting its time and resources when it could invest in addressing other more pressing issues. But I don't exactly trust in thr integrity of the league so their reluctance to do so doesn't exactly surprise me.
I'm not sure why a team would be compelled to play the rest of the RS if they've secured a PO spot by winter thanks to the IST. And would that be fair to a team that's earned their spot by winning more games across the RS in the scenario where a mid team wins it?
The biggest issue with the nba is falling regular season ratings and securing a new, more expensive tv deal. Even last years finals had a 6% drop in viewers from the previous year. Most of this can’t be explained away with cord cutting, since thats counted on Nielsen and illegal streams. It seems like the investment has kinda worked for now.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/04/has-the-nbas-in-season-tournament-paid-off-these-tv-ratings-suggest-yes-probably/amp/Roughly 2 million people tuned in on national TV for a tournament game last week between the Sacramento Kings and Golden State Warriors, marking a 93% increase over a game in a “comparable window” last season, and the most-watched tournament game so far, according to the league (teams have played a combination of tournament and standard games in recent weeks, with the top eight teams in tournament matches moving on to a single-elimination bracket this week).
That Kings-Warriors game narrowly edged out the 1.9 million people who tuned in for a Warriors match on November 22 against the Phoenix Suns on ESPN, but more decisively beat the 1.4 million who watched the Boston Celtics take on the Milwaukee Bucks on the same day on ESPN, neither of which counted toward the tournament, according to data from Nielsen.
Tournament games on ESPN and TNT averaged 1.5 million viewers, a 26% increase from games played during the same time last year, while locally broadcast games are up 20% from last November, the NBA said.
During the month of November, ESPN averaged 1.52 million viewers per game while TNT averaged 1.43 million, increases of 20% and 16%, respectively, over the same time last year, CNN reported—though the NBA’s early-season audience is still a tiny fraction of the NFL, which regularly draws upwards of 15 million viewers to its marquee Sunday night games.
We’re in the world where random NFL games out draw the NBA finals. Something needs to change or it literally will end the league.
Home court advantage, giving yourself the easiest match up you can in the first round, to keep selling tickets and ads for their games, keeping their players in shape and in rhythm for the playoffs, chances of making all nba, winning end of seasons awards, making the all star game. There’s a bunch of reasons to keep playing even if you secure a top 6 seed. All it would do is just keep you out of the play in tournament too. If you fell out, that advantage would go away.
Maybe you’re right and a team will throw the rest of the season and try to finish 10th but it would do massive damage to the league and I’d imagine the nba would step in at that point. There’s a reason Hinkie never got another job. Also I’d hope players and coaches care to much to do something like that.
Reign23 wrote:god shammgod wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Shout out to the legend Rick carislie for benching Obi bargnani in the 4th quarter (once again) for the defensive stalwart Nesmith. What a difference maker he was last night!
the level of pettiness you have in you
he is trying a liiiiiittle to hard
j4remi wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:You add a trophy for the exact same pool of competitors (not the case for the FA cup), it will take away from the value of the NBA championship. It will be a consolation prize that NBA franchises can sell their fans on, besides for the consistently or recently successful.
If the Knicks ever win this tournament, James Dolan and MSG will sell it as a meaningful achievement and - if fans go along with it - it will inevitably release some of the pressure on winning a championship.
If the cup turns out to be meaningless, interest in the tournament will wane with time, and all this rollout will have proven unnecessary, and a damaging diversion from the league's actual problems.
The analogy to European soccer doesn't work because the leagues are structurally different. The NBA doesn't have the different tiers or the relegation system to make it make sense conceptually in the way that the FA Cup does.
A trophy isn't changing anything. Nobody's confusing an IST win for a NBA Championship. There's a vocal segment of fans that won't even count the Bubble Championship as a meaningfully equivalent accolade.
The IST doesn't disrupt or hide any of the other issues with the league.
At worst, it's a contrived attempt to mimic stuff that works overseas and doesn't catch on. At best, it gives fans one more thing to be invested in during a long NBA season.
The European soccer analogy works for the simple concept of "no one is gullible enough to mistake a midseason tournament win for a NBA Championship equivalent." The devaluing NBA Titles thing just doesn't have much support IMO. Is there an actual comparison in some sporting event that you can point to where a championship meant less because of midseason prizes?
Reign23 wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
Sorry GA. Just don’t take it out on whomever is at the bottom of the well in your basement.
?s=20
He took horrible shots down the stretch because he couldn’t break anyone down and was lucky they went in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a playoff environment when a team has more than one game to scout and play against you he will get exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait to see it happen in the playoffs if he even makes it there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you take Haliburton or Cam Reddish?
3toheadmelo wrote:Reign23 wrote:god shammgod wrote:
the level of pettiness you have in you
he is trying a liiiiiittle to hard
just calling out the facts brodie
Chanel Bomber wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:But the point of Copa Italia is that it allows teams from different tiers to compete against the elite. There's no point for the NBA because there is no relegation system - it's a closed circuit. There's no inherent meaning to the Cup besides profit.
If the tournament fails then the NBA is wasting its time and resources when it could invest in addressing other more pressing issues. But I don't exactly trust in thr integrity of the league so their reluctance to do so doesn't exactly surprise me.
I'm not sure why a team would be compelled to play the rest of the RS if they've secured a PO spot by winter thanks to the IST. And would that be fair to a team that's earned their spot by winning more games across the RS in the scenario where a mid team wins it?
The biggest issue with the nba is falling regular season ratings and securing a new, more expensive tv deal. Even last years finals had a 6% drop in viewers from the previous year. Most of this can’t be explained away with cord cutting, since thats counted on Nielsen and illegal streams. It seems like the investment has kinda worked for now.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/04/has-the-nbas-in-season-tournament-paid-off-these-tv-ratings-suggest-yes-probably/amp/Roughly 2 million people tuned in on national TV for a tournament game last week between the Sacramento Kings and Golden State Warriors, marking a 93% increase over a game in a “comparable window” last season, and the most-watched tournament game so far, according to the league (teams have played a combination of tournament and standard games in recent weeks, with the top eight teams in tournament matches moving on to a single-elimination bracket this week).
That Kings-Warriors game narrowly edged out the 1.9 million people who tuned in for a Warriors match on November 22 against the Phoenix Suns on ESPN, but more decisively beat the 1.4 million who watched the Boston Celtics take on the Milwaukee Bucks on the same day on ESPN, neither of which counted toward the tournament, according to data from Nielsen.
Tournament games on ESPN and TNT averaged 1.5 million viewers, a 26% increase from games played during the same time last year, while locally broadcast games are up 20% from last November, the NBA said.
During the month of November, ESPN averaged 1.52 million viewers per game while TNT averaged 1.43 million, increases of 20% and 16%, respectively, over the same time last year, CNN reported—though the NBA’s early-season audience is still a tiny fraction of the NFL, which regularly draws upwards of 15 million viewers to its marquee Sunday night games.
We’re in the world where random NFL games out draw the NBA finals. Something needs to change or it literally will end the league.
Home court advantage, giving yourself the easiest match up you can in the first round, to keep selling tickets and ads for their games, keeping their players in shape and in rhythm for the playoffs, chances of making all nba, winning end of seasons awards, making the all star game. There’s a bunch of reasons to keep playing even if you secure a top 6 seed. All it would do is just keep you out of the play in tournament too. If you fell out, that advantage would go away.
Maybe you’re right and a team will throw the rest of the season and try to finish 10th but it would do massive damage to the league and I’d imagine the nba would step in at that point. There’s a reason Hinkie never got another job. Also I’d hope players and coaches care to much to do something like that.
But I think the underlying issues that have caused the decline in RS ratings haven't been addressed and while the IST has led to a spike in interest (in the short term at least) I think it's still a superficial solution. Perhaps I am mistaken, we'll know in a few years.
Reign23 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Reign23 wrote:he is trying a liiiiiittle to hard
just calling out the facts brodie
3toheadmelo wrote:Reign23 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:just calling out the facts brodie
did you see this? i didnt know the pelicans were interested in melo. that would've been fun
Reign23 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Reign23 wrote:
did you see this? i didnt know the pelicans were interested in melo. that would've been fun
I would have watched him in any jersey, thats for sure
but now I am in peace with him retired tbh.
Reign23 wrote:HighRyzer83 wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:Lmaooo haliFraud just got locked up by dougie houser MD on the Celtics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hasn’t been effective at all since this game matters and the Celtics have slowed the game Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ULTIMATE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's see how they try and justify him picked over Brunson this yr
maybe because he is averaging 27/12/4 on 52/44/88 splits? but thats just a guess.
F N 11 wrote:We really passed on Hali for Obi then traded Obi to play with Hali lol. I would never forget that bull. Front office yet to recover.
Capn'O wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:If the Knicks ever win this tournament, James Dolan and MSG will sell it as a meaningful achievement and - if fans go along with it - it will inevitably release some of the pressure on winning a championship.
This is a weird concern because... well... are we talking about the same Knicks franchise here? What has the pressure of winning a championship ever done for the James Dolan Knicks
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
