2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 4

[mpharris36]

Fred Katz saying that the Knicks and Raptors discussing Bruce Brown for Fournier and picks. No Grimes.

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

I think its nothing more than how the article portrays it. Knicks are looking for an "innings eater" someone that thibs will trust to give minutes to someone that can help lessen the load off our guys while they are hurt that wont cost a ton of draft capital.

I can't imagine Bruce Brown that much in terms of capital but its someone that can come in right away and thibs will trust him to give him minutes.

That why we can be patient with Grimes/OG and maybe even give Brunson (because brown can initiate some offense), during the regular season.

He also has playoff experience so if OG has to miss a game in the playoffs you know Brown can step in and take on more minutes and you know he won't be shook by the moment.

It doesn't sound like the knicks want to dive into there "better" assets for bench help.

[Stannis]

If you know anything about Thibs then you knew Burks was the likely outcome.

You say that like it happened already.

Word. I had to double check my feed.

[Chanel Bomber]

You can't escape destiny

[mpharris36]

You can't escape destiny

finances don't work...sorry

[stuporman]

Teams are rolling the dice on trade value with injury prone players, just ask the Bulls about Lavine, so if the guy is healthy it's a chance you get less down the road instead of now.

Also, some player's value holds as they become expiring and some player's value drops as the number of years left on contract dwindles.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Picks for Bruce Brown? Gross.

[Chislic]

Simple math. That headline is only talking about tradeable picks at this deadline, not all future first round picks. A team that has made no pick trades only has 4 "tradeable" picks at a time...outside of draft night...even though they actually have 7 picks to work with.

So if you go through all future picks, it's just 52% that are owned by those 37% of teams.

In addition, 11 teams control 75% of all future draft picks. That much draft capital being controlled by roughly a third of the league has created somewhat of a trade logjam.

That’s a quote from the article. It specifically says all future picks. I’m think you might be wrong here. Not saying it’s not possible for Woj to be wrong but it basically never happens.

That article must be poorly worded, here's the original tweet.

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OKC - 15
Utah - 13
San Antonio - 12
New York - 11
Brooklyn - 9
New Orleans - 9
Toronto - 9
Portland - 9
Orlando - 8
Houston - 7
Memphis - 7

Was curious how many picks these teams actually have. These 11 teams own 52% of all first round picks in the next 7 drafts (minus swaps). I find that more interesting than the 75% of all tradable picks. Basically 1/3 of the league have half of all first round picks.

I think OKC had 21 future firsts at one point. That’s 10% of all possible firsts.

(15 + 13 + 12 + 11 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 7) / (7*30) = 109/210 = 51.9%

Utah, Houston and Memphis all had interest in Grimes. Wonder if they were trying to steal him for a 1st round pick?

[Chanel Bomber]

You can't escape destiny

finances don't work...sorry

We'll make it work

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[mpharris36]

Picks for Bruce Brown? Gross.

I don't think necessarily means 1st round picks, Knicks FO is smarter than that.

[mpharris36]

You can't escape destiny

finances don't work...sorry

We'll make it work

he makes 10 MM...who is the outgoing salary? He doesn't fit $ wise no matter how you look at it. Can't trade Fournier for an expiring since that would be really bad for next year trades. And we don't have small enough salaries to match Burks expiring. Can't combine Flynn either.

[Chanel Bomber]

finances don't work...sorry

We'll make it work

he makes 10 MM...who is the outgoing salary? He doesn't fit.

We'll take on Monte Morris Mr mpharris

Easy peasy

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[DOT]

Picks for Bruce Brown? Gross.

I don't think necessarily means 1st round picks, Knicks FO is smarter than that.

You say that like we haven't traded a 1st round pick at the deadline for a backup wing both of the last 2 years.

[mpharris36]

We'll make it work

he makes 10 MM...who is the outgoing salary? He doesn't fit.

We'll take on Monte Morris Mr mpharris

Easy peasy

Watch on YouTube

for Fournier?

So lose Fournier tradable salary in a star trade for expirings that don't move the needle? No way thats happening. If they trade Fournier its to extend his salary into the following season...its why someone like Bruce Brown is of interest.

[SelbyCobra]

Fred Katz saying that the Knicks and Raptors discussing Bruce Brown for Fournier and picks. No Grimes.

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

I think its nothing more than how the article portrays it. Knicks are looking for an "innings eater" someone that thibs will trust to give minutes to someone that can help lessen the load off our guys while they are hurt that one cost a ton of draft capital.

I can't imagine Bruce Brown that much in terms of capital but its someone that can come in right away and thibs will trust him to give him minutes.

That why we can be patient with Grimes/OG and maybe even give Brunson (because brown can initiate some offense), during the regular season.

He also has playoff experience so if OG has to miss a game in the playoffs you know Brown can step in and take on more minutes and you know he won't be shook by the moment.

It doesn't sound like the knicks want to dive into there "better" assets for bench help.

I'm not advocating for or against it, but yeah, it's pretty easy to understand. People complaining that Brown is another Josh Hart, but that's actually the point. This team has gotten to the point where they're bordering on legit contention in the East by having a transformative star in Brunson, surrounded by lots of well-rounded, dog mentality, defense-committed gamers. Basically great depth of all-around solid players who can log 20 or 40 minutes on any given night, depending on the needs.

With that depth being currently tested, and a guy like OG's ability to stay on the court always in question, flipping a non-fit for the team (Fournier) and a minimal draft asset into another 2024 NYK archetype depth piece that has playoff experience is easy to understand.

It's not a homerun, and it's not "the answer" to the team's problems, but it is bolstering the roster.

[mpharris36]

Picks for Bruce Brown? Gross.

I don't think necessarily means 1st round picks, Knicks FO is smarter than that.

You say that like we haven't traded a 1st round pick at the deadline for a backup wing both of the last 2 years.

Hart has been a pretty good contributor for us. Cam Reddish was a swing and a miss and they probably thought they could turn Reddish into "extra" value.

Hart cost 1 pick. Its unlikely Bruce Brown is going to cost more than Josh Hart.

[mpharris36]

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

I think its nothing more than how the article portrays it. Knicks are looking for an "innings eater" someone that thibs will trust to give minutes to someone that can help lessen the load off our guys while they are hurt that one cost a ton of draft capital.

I can't imagine Bruce Brown that much in terms of capital but its someone that can come in right away and thibs will trust him to give him minutes.

That why we can be patient with Grimes/OG and maybe even give Brunson (because brown can initiate some offense), during the regular season.

He also has playoff experience so if OG has to miss a game in the playoffs you know Brown can step in and take on more minutes and you know he won't be shook by the moment.

It doesn't sound like the knicks want to dive into there "better" assets for bench help.

I'm not advocating for or against it, but yeah, it's pretty easy to understand. People complaining that Brown is another Josh Hart, but that's actually the point. This team has gotten to the point where they're bordering on legit contention in the East by having a transformative star in Brunson, surrounded by lots of well-rounded, dog mentality, defense-committed gamers. Basically great depth of all-around solid players who can log 20 or 40 minutes on any given night, depending on the needs.

With that depth being currently tested, and a guy like OG's ability to stay on the court always in question, flipping a non-fit for the team (Fournier) and a minimal draft asset into another 2024 NYK archetype depth piece that has playoff experience is easy to understand.


It's not a homerun, and it's not "the answer" to the team's problems, but it is bolstering the roster.

Yeah I wouldn't say its a home run but they are looking for a quality guy that thibs will trust that will give them minutes that we don't have to worry about.

Sure there is some redundancy with Brown when we are fully healthy...but the thing is we aren't healthy and we can't assume we will be fully healthy. If they are dangling there own 2024 1st (which is likely to be a pick in the 20's) + Fournier that not a complete detrimental move for our assets.

Guys like Brogdon and Clarkson probably fill more of a need but they are probably more expensive.

[DaGawd]

You can't escape destiny

absolute buckets

[DOT]

I don't think necessarily means 1st round picks, Knicks FO is smarter than that.

You say that like we haven't traded a 1st round pick at the deadline for a backup wing both of the last 2 years.

Hart has been a pretty good contributor for us. Cam Reddish was a swing and a miss and they probably thought they could turn Reddish into "extra" value.

Hart cost 1 pick. Its unlikely Bruce Brown is going to cost more than Josh Hart.

I'm not arguing whether or not the moves have worked out for us, I'm just saying each of the last 2 years has involved us moving a 1st round pick for a backup wing, so I don't think you can say the FO wouldn't trade a 1st for Bruce Brown.

[mpharris36]

You say that like we haven't traded a 1st round pick at the deadline for a backup wing both of the last 2 years.

Hart has been a pretty good contributor for us. Cam Reddish was a swing and a miss and they probably thought they could turn Reddish into "extra" value.

Hart cost 1 pick. Its unlikely Bruce Brown is going to cost more than Josh Hart.

I'm not arguing whether or not the moves have worked out for us, I'm just saying each of the last 2 years has involved us moving a 1st round pick for a backup wing, so I don't think you can say the FO wouldn't trade a 1st for Bruce Brown.

I was referencing picks as in plural. I think they would have to move at least a late 1st for Brown but he's not getting multiple 1sts.

I don't even think the Knicks would give up the Dallas 1st round for Brown. From past deals they are probably dangling there own 2024 1st just like they did in the Hart trade that has a low chance of being a high pick this late in the year.

[Chanel Bomber]

he makes 10 MM...who is the outgoing salary? He doesn't fit.

We'll take on Monte Morris Mr mpharris

Easy peasy

Watch on YouTube

for Fournier?

So lose Fournier tradable salary in a star trade for expirings that don't move the needle? No way thats happening. If they trade Fournier its to extend his salary into the following season...its why someone like Bruce Brown is of interest.

Interesting.

So you don't want to trade F0urni3r for a guaranteed championship.

Are you even a Knicks fan? Or just a F0urni3r fan?