BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT IN OTHER THREAD) PART II

[Grinditout]

whoever wants to be simmed set ur roster up with rotation mins otherwise scrubs are playing for 24 mins and starters 24 mins

Give me a few lol.

[br7knicks]

made my pick. now with warrick on the team. looking to package and move smith (11ppg, 5 rpg as starter).

[br7knicks]

hey, who's the dude that drafted Machado earlier?


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... tt_Machado

[Manhattan Project]

IMO far better than Ibaka at the alleged age of 20, already plays better defense. His offensive game does leave a little to be desired but he's an offensive threat because of his ability to run the floor and grab those offensive boards. Aside from that, really don't need him to be Hakeem. His man to man defense is pretty good already and his help defense with his wingspan... creates a ton of highlight youtube blocks.

[TDJacksonville]

whoever wants to be simmed set ur roster up with rotation mins otherwise scrubs are playing for 24 mins and starters 24 mins

Give me a few lol.

never

[ctorres]

whoever wants to be simmed set ur roster up with rotation mins otherwise scrubs are playing for 24 mins and starters 24 mins

Is it recommended that you set up minutes for all 12 of your players on NBA2K12?

[TDJacksonville]

whoever wants to be simmed set ur roster up with rotation mins otherwise scrubs are playing for 24 mins and starters 24 mins

Is it recommended that you set up minutes for all 12 of your players on NBA2K12?

its whatever u want rotation to be like.

if u want to have only 5 players with mins the More Power to ya though i wouldnt recommend doing it that way cuz ur Players will be Massively fatigued. i have mine set up but i havent posted it yet and mine doesnt have mins for 2 of mine but thats because i have a plan

[Jose7]

Moving devin Harris for a quality small forward email
Me please

[TDJacksonville]

Moving devin Harris for a quality small forward email
Me please

ebanks for harris

[WillyJakkz]

IMO far better than Ibaka at the alleged age of 20, already plays better defense. His offensive game does leave a little to be desired but he's an offensive threat because of his ability to run the floor and grab those offensive boards. Aside from that, really don't need him to be Hakeem. His man to man defense is pretty good already and his help defense with his wingspan... creates a ton of highlight youtube blocks.

Well if that's how you see him then the only guy who's better than him at this point may be Dwight Howard.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though.

My opinion is that he's shown to be a capable help defender, his man to man defense needs polishing, his offensive game isn't existent and I question whether he's 20

He'll be nice just on a bad team in real life as of now and honestly it's hard to question his man defense simply because he may be more focused on helping his teammates out on the defensive end.

He seems to have an Emeka Okafor ceiling imo.

Edit: "Better than Ibaka" man some of you guys are marketing geniuses. Literally can't wait to read the pimpin' page

[br7knicks]

its all conjecture dude. nothing has been as farfetched as that batum for fields trade

[Manhattan Project]

IMO far better than Ibaka at the alleged age of 20, already plays better defense. His offensive game does leave a little to be desired but he's an offensive threat because of his ability to run the floor and grab those offensive boards. Aside from that, really don't need him to be Hakeem. His man to man defense is pretty good already and his help defense with his wingspan... creates a ton of highlight youtube blocks.

Well if that's how you see him then the only guy who's better than him at this point may be Dwight Howard.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though.

My opinion is that he's shown to be a capable help defender, his man to man defense needs polishing, his offensive game isn't existent and I question whether he's 20

He'll be nice just on a bad team in real life as of now and honestly it's hard to question his man defense simply because he may be more focused on helping his teammates out on the defensive end.

He seems to have an Emeka Okafor ceiling imo.

Edit: "Better than Ibaka" man some of you guys are marketing geniuses. Literally can't wait to read the pimpin' page

IE Ibaka at 20...

[ctorres]

#377 is on the clock until 11:39 pm
If #377 is skipped, #378 would be on the clock until 1:39 am

Anxiously waiting to make my #379 pick.

[WillyJakkz]

IMO far better than Ibaka at the alleged age of 20, already plays better defense. His offensive game does leave a little to be desired but he's an offensive threat because of his ability to run the floor and grab those offensive boards. Aside from that, really don't need him to be Hakeem. His man to man defense is pretty good already and his help defense with his wingspan... creates a ton of highlight youtube blocks.

Well if that's how you see him then the only guy who's better than him at this point may be Dwight Howard.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though.

My opinion is that he's shown to be a capable help defender, his man to man defense needs polishing, his offensive game isn't existent and I question whether he's 20

He'll be nice just on a bad team in real life as of now and honestly it's hard to question his man defense simply because he may be more focused on helping his teammates out on the defensive end.

He seems to have an Emeka Okafor ceiling imo.

Edit: "Better than Ibaka" man some of you guys are marketing geniuses. Literally can't wait to read the pimpin' page

IE Ibaka at 20...

Oh ok.

Well one way to judge defensive rating is advanced stats so you can judge for yourself how good you think Biyombo is but I got news for you, it ain't pretty but again, he WAS a rookie:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mbi01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ase01.html

As you can see, definitely not better at age 20. One thing I do take into consideration is the "teammate factor" in other words how good were players teammates defensively.

[Manhattan Project]

That stat that places Boozer among the top ten the past two years? Yeah that's skewed just a bit unless people do actually see Boozer as a defensive force. It can be a tool to use, but ultimately at the end of the day it's just another pointless stat. The pace of the team skews it far to much for it to be useful.

Again I'm saying Biyombo this year vs Ibaka's rookie year in which he was allegedly a year older than the former, Biyombo had a far more impressive season. Of course we all know how Ibaka developed, one in which I see no reason why Biyombo can't do defensively. His blocks per game was more impressive, his block percentage was more impressive. Again I'm not looking for offense from Biyombo, in that regard he has no mid range shot that Ibaka does.

Biyombo for all of his rawness, was still eighth in the league in blocks while being jerked around with minutes.

[Fury]

Biyombo is good.

[WillyJakkz]

Again, defense as well as basketball is a team game so if you have a nice defensive anchor (like Noah and Asik) then once your man gets past you, they then have to deal w/ those guys (well at least had to since Asik is no longer there) but Boozer is a good enough defender to make it difficult for some guys to shoot and get their offense off comfortably and w/ his lack of height coupled w/ the fact that he's not an athletic shotblocker nor has the quickest defensive footwork makes his defense seem lackluster.

I'd argue that Biyombo is a far worse defender than Nick Collison but is a better shotblocker only.

I argue w/ my brother, his peeps, guys on message boards, friends, etc saying things like that and they dismiss it simply because Collison or whoever isn't an athletic shotblocker who gets SportsCenter highlights every night.

Hardnosed guys like him, Haslem, etc go so underrated simply due to that.

In my eyes Biyombo may become Okafor, anything more is great.

[Fury]

Anyone see anything they like, hit me up. Everyone is available except Paul and Love.

[Manhattan Project]

Again, defense as well as basketball is a team game so if you have a nice defensive anchor (like Noah and Asik) then once your man gets past you, they then have to deal w/ those guys (well at least had to since Asik is no longer there) but Boozer is a good enough defender to make it difficult for some guys to shoot and get their offense off comfortably and w/ his lack of height coupled w/ the fact that he's not an athletic shotblocker nor has the quickest defensive footwork makes his defense seem lackluster.

I'd argue that Biyombo is a far worse defender than Nick Collison but is a better shotblocker only.

I argue w/ my brother, his peeps, guys on message boards, friends, etc saying things like that and they dismiss it simply because Collison or whoever isn't an athletic shotblocker who gets SportsCenter highlights every night.

Hardnosed guys like him, Haslem, etc go so underrated simply due to that.

In my eyes Biyombo may become Okafor, anything more is great.

Well guys like Haslem and Collison are far superior man to man defenders, but really don't offer much in the help defense unless the scheme covers up for that. I tried to build my team in which you won't be going around or through the perimeter. Biyombo is there to cover up for Randolph's shortcomings.

Either way we can save the rest of this for the team writeup and judging.

[WillyJakkz]

Well help defense could include rotations, boxing out the guy they switch onto, and or taking a charge on the guy they've switched to or helped defend and that's something those guys excel at but anyway yeah, I digress.

Can't wait for the pimpin' to begin look forward to checking it out.... at least the guys who actually go thru w/ it