Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[Stannis]

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[BKlutch]

Hell yeah. Trump has had Russian mob connections wayyyyyyyyyyy before Putin.

Have you ever walked under the El in Brighton Beach and gone into one of those catering halls? I did 15 years ago. We had borscht and did vodka shots. The place was all fake crystals and mirrors. I thought I was dining inside Trump's toilet.

Trump learned all of that gaudy nouveau riche gold plated decoration BS from the Russians. That's how they like to spend their money

I have my popcorn kernels ready. I'm reading this one

You described it just how I would imagine it. My guess is that there was also a Roy Cohn connection in there somewhere.

Roy was in the prior generation and precedes Michael by a number of years, though I expect he'll be referenced in the book.

Cohn was like a criminal father figure to Trump. When he was dying in the hospital from AIDS Trump didn't even go to visit him. I don't know if Tony Kushner knew this when he wrote Angels in America, but he has a scene with Cohn in the hospital just like that.

Cohn's spirit lives on in Trump. Both are super creepy and completely amoral. It is quite remarkable they are also connected by being the faces of two of the worst periods in the history of American politics with Cohn spearheading McCarthyism and Trump getting the keys to the WH.

There are so many horrific things about Roy Cohn that we couldn't place them all here. Wikipedia is a good start. There's one item, however, that stands out about the relationship between Cohn and Trump that might not be widely known:

In 1984, Cohn was diagnosed with AIDS and attempted to keep his condition secret while receiving experimental drug treatment.[67] He participated in clinical trials of AZT ... He insisted to his dying day that his disease was liver cancer. He died on August 2, 1986, in Bethesda, Maryland, of complications from AIDS, at the age of 59. At death, the IRS seized almost everything he had. One of the things that the IRS did not seize was a pair of diamond cuff links, given to him by client and friend, Donald Trump. The diamond cuff links were later declared to be fake by an appraiser. According to Roger Stone, Cohn's "absolute goal was to die completely broke and owing millions to the IRS." He succeeded in that.

To the very end, Trump cheated his "friend."

[Clyde_Style]

Big Ten football being canceled is going to help Trump in the swing states of Michigan and Pennsylvania. Biden needs to win back both those states but unfortunately this local issue in both these states are going to cut hard for Trump if SEC, ACC and Big 12 actually play Football this fall. Trump is already using this issue in his campaign and it’s going to be effective in blaming academia and Democratic Governors for Big Ten Football shutdown.

So Trump getting the Big Ten canceled due to his COVID response is going to help him? You do realize Biden isn’t president right now, right?

Yeah, that was a weird spin of logic. Trump is the one who is going to take the blame. Trump just accuses everyone of anything he is guilty of, but that's par for the course

[Clyde_Style]

These are the actions of a campaign that know they’re going to lose.

I thought the same thing last time... I was even assured on here that Trump had zero chance to beat Hillary.

I wouldn't be surprised if they win. I think Biden wins the popular vote by a landslide. But Trump has the electoral college once again.

you aren't going to win the electoral college if you lose the popular vote by a landslide. What are you talking about?

And the political landscape is nothing at all like 2016 so what you thought last time is not very applicable this time

[Clyde_Style]

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Like father, like son.

Speed Freak. Check

Deflect Guilt of Your Own By Pointing Fingers At Others. Check

This guy is not going to have a political future. He has all of his father's idiocy, but lacks his Daddy's vainglorious chit eating grin that the knuckle draggers live for. And it appears Don Jrs. talking points are typically Q level quality which will limit his base to those who idolize the memory of his father. IOW, he has less upside than Don Sr.

Trumpism is going back underground in 2021 like a pack of locusts burrowing into their nests for the next 17 years. When this is over, the national shame of this era will turn the Trump kids into pariahs if they are lucky enough to stay out of jail. Donald Jr. does have a jail cell reserved for him so I doubt that. He and Jared and Ivanka are all frigging traitors.

[Stannis]

These are the actions of a campaign that know they’re going to lose.

I thought the same thing last time... I was even assured on here that Trump had zero chance to beat Hillary.

I wouldn't be surprised if they win. I think Biden wins the popular vote by a landslide. But Trump has the electoral college once again.

you aren't going to win the electoral college if you lose the popular vote by a landslide. What are you talking about?

And the political landscape is nothing at all like 2016 so what you thought last time is not very applicable this time

Well let me clarify, I think winning by +5-8 million votes is a landslide. So losing by that much but still winning the electoral is very possible.

Anyways, the rust belt won him the election last time. And poor white folks like him more than ever.

If he wins, I see it being something like this:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/47yWP

[Clyde_Style]

I thought the same thing last time... I was even assured on here that Trump had zero chance to beat Hillary.

I wouldn't be surprised if they win. I think Biden wins the popular vote by a landslide. But Trump has the electoral college once again.

you aren't going to win the electoral college if you lose the popular vote by a landslide. What are you talking about?

And the political landscape is nothing at all like 2016 so what you thought last time is not very applicable this time

Well let me clarify, I think winning by +5-8 million votes is a landslide. So losing by that much but still winning the electoral is very possible.

Anyways, the rust belt won him the election last time. And poor white folks like him more than ever.

If he wins, I see it being something like this:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/47yWP

no it isn't.

I know 270towin and if you look at the 2016 results you can see by clicking on PA, WI and MI the electoral college flips back from Trump to Clinton and she wins.

He won those states by 70,000 votes

You're talking about stacking 2-5 Million more votes on top of Hillary's 3M popular vote margin

So what you're talking about is illogical. If you increase the differential by millions and not tens of thousands, Biden would have either a winning or dominant electoral total to go with a popular landslide total. Florida is very much in play as well as other Red states that Clinton couldn't dream of winning in 2016. This is apples to oranges

[Slamm Goodbody]

FOX NEWS CUTS OFF TRUMP JR. DURING INTERVIEW:

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Like father, like son.

Speed Freak. Check

Deflect Guilt of Your Own By Pointing Fingers At Others. Check

This guy is not going to have a political future. He has all of his father's idiocy, but lacks his Daddy's vainglorious chit eating grin that the knuckle draggers live for. And it appears Don Jrs. talking points are typically Q level quality which will limit his base to those who idolize the memory of his father. IOW, he has less upside than Don Sr.

Trumpism is going back underground in 2021 like a pack of locusts burrowing into their nests for the next 17 years. When this is over, the national shame of this era will turn the Trump kids into pariahs if they are lucky enough to stay out of jail. Donald Jr. does have a jail cell reserved for him so I doubt that. He and Jared and Ivanka are all frigging traitors.

Wow. He has really taken to a lot of his father's mannerisms. I don't remember him doing all the hand gesture BS when he was in the public eye during the 2016 election. Definitely needs to lay off the coke.

[Clyde_Style]

FOX NEWS CUTS OFF TRUMP JR. DURING INTERVIEW:

Watch on YouTube

Like father, like son.

Speed Freak. Check

Deflect Guilt of Your Own By Pointing Fingers At Others. Check

This guy is not going to have a political future. He has all of his father's idiocy, but lacks his Daddy's vainglorious chit eating grin that the knuckle draggers live for. And it appears Don Jrs. talking points are typically Q level quality which will limit his base to those who idolize the memory of his father. IOW, he has less upside than Don Sr.

Trumpism is going back underground in 2021 like a pack of locusts burrowing into their nests for the next 17 years. When this is over, the national shame of this era will turn the Trump kids into pariahs if they are lucky enough to stay out of jail. Donald Jr. does have a jail cell reserved for him so I doubt that. He and Jared and Ivanka are all frigging traitors.

Wow. He has really taken to a lot of his father's mannerisms. I don't remember him doing all the hand gesture BS when he was in the public eye during the 2016 election. Definitely needs to lay off the coke.

The guy is a disaster

The thing about anybody Trump is his father had the sole advantage of being a political newbie which for some damn reason appeals to millions of American jackasses

but now that the country had to eat chit for four years I don't think the appetite for anything Trump will ever be significant enough to move the needle again

Jr. doesn't have the advantage of the 2016 WTF What We Have We Got Lose With This Outsider vote his father had. He has none of the advantages and now the burden of the name. He's never going to amount to anything on the national level. And he's fcking stupid and a junkie and not everyone who supported his father wants more of that.

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[Oscirus]

jr doesnt have a quarter of the charisma that his dad has. When he speaks, jr just sounds like a mad man. Hes a hindrance not an asset. No idea why trump doesnt hide this fool

[Stannis]

jr doesnt have a quarter of the charisma that his dad has. When he speaks, jr just sounds like a mad man. Hes a hindrance not an asset. No idea why trump doesnt hide this fool

When I hear jr talk, I picture a guy who says "you have any idea who my father is" right before he gets into a fight.

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[Stannis]

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That was some cringe chit lmao

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They want our land, not our people...The disaster relief mess made that much clear (also the way they downplayed deaths and mishandled Puerto Rico's recovery is an interesting corollary for how they blew the pandemic). Unfortunately most Dem gestures feel empty and oversimplified. The Democratic double whammy of PROMESA austerity and Rosello's leaked hateful texts are recent sources to feel that "second class citizen" is a classification shared by a majority of our legislators, not just the ones that suck at fronting.

[Oscirus]

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Someone tell these dumbasses to think before they speak.

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ha ha ha

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jr doesnt have a quarter of the charisma that his dad has. When he speaks, jr just sounds like a mad man. Hes a hindrance not an asset. No idea why trump doesnt hide this fool

When I hear jr talk, I picture a guy who says "you have any idea who my father is" right before he gets into a fight.

OMG, that's perfect

[Oscirus]

Not a fan of the fact that uncle tom is trending. Regardless of who anytbody is supporting, that's dangerous rhetoric

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Someone tell these dumbasses to think before they speak.

No, don't do that. Encourage them to immediately verbalize every last thing that pops into their pointy little heads