Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Its called showing respect to me. Why make yourself the bad guy when you dont even have control where you land. If Utah sends him to NYC they doing him a favor. He talk **** and he can end up elsewhere. You would rather have the dude create negative press about himself just to get traded? damn bro...the Thirst is Elite.

We talking First Team ALL Dry Mouth here.

It happens all the time. Guys publicly make it known they want out or at least get it out to trusted media members. The Jazz traded Gobert for picks probably before they consulted with Donovan...I wouldn't expect any good player to stand pat and want to waste his years away next to Fontecchio and Vanderbilt. If they want to rebuild he doesn't have to be a good soldier and sit passively about it.

KD is doing it right now with plenty years remaining on his contract and no one will care when he's on his new team. Its the way of the NBA. The stars have all the power.

Yeah but he is trying to get traded to a SPECIFIC team tho. He doesn’t want just to be out he wants to be here. He gains nothing in pissing the Utah FO off. You really not seeing the big picture here. His best bet is to play the nice guy. NY ain’t the only Chic at that bar remember that.

Thats true, I'm still unsure if it has to be the Knicks for Donovan though. I think he would be more than happy in Miami (I just think realistically his agent and himself know the only package Ainge will consider is one from the knicks) because it contains the most future draft capital which is clearly what Ainge is prioritizing.

Ainge leverage seems more like if you don't give us what we want Knicks we will just keep him. I think they tried to play the card "if you don't give me want we want we will trade him to another team". But I think all parties realize that is a bluff because those other teams interested can't compete at a draft pick level as we can.

Which is why I think Donovan just being a good soldier might eventually run out because if its training camp time and he's still in Utah he might have to play the I don't want to be here card if Ainge is doing his typical either you take my offer or we have no deal BS.

[drp07644]

One thing we’re all ignoring. This is the perfect example (and KD) of the problem with these Star players agreeing to max extensions with their team even if they don’t think they’ll want to be there for the duration of the extension. The security of that max contract means you’re committed to that team. You can’t agree to the contract to get your money and THEN try to go to your preferred team. These situations could damage the “Player Empowerment” Era.

[thebuzzardman]

Here comes the Donovan Mitchell sucks contingent

[Capn'O]

One thing we’re all ignoring. This is the perfect example (and KD) of the problem with these Star players agreeing to max extensions with their team even if they don’t think they’ll want to be there for the duration of the extension. The security of that max contract means you’re committed to that team. You can’t agree to the contract to get your money and THEN try to go to your preferred team. These situations could damage the “Player Empowerment” Era.

As much as I haven't been an advocate for a Mitchell trade I don't think this is fair to Mitchell. The Jazz decided to rebuild and there are no public reports that Donovan has even requested a trade. This process appears to be led by the team and it's of fortune to Mitchell that the team best positioned to acquire him is his team of preference.

Kyrie and KD deserve all the smoke.

[8516knicks]

Okay, time for a truly demented post.

Well, it's summer, and rather than read through just another 1000 posts on getting DM or not, I was wondering what board response to this would be: Let's say we got DM for picks and maybe Grimes and'/or iQ. Would the Nets go for a deal of say DM and Randle and ? for KD?

(I actually wouldn't want him now as he spurned us and turned into a mini Kyrie).

But curious about the relative values involved. How much more than DM and Randle would the Nets hold out for?

[WargamesX]

Isn't it funny the report of ''6 teams interested'' in Mitchell comes out right after news of the Celtics offer for KD? lol

Well yeah Ainge doesn’t want the Knicks to look at that deal and go at what he is offering. I think what Ainge wants is worth more than both KD and Jaylen are going for based on the trade they are working on.

[WargamesX]

Here comes the Donovan Mitchell sucks contingent

I don’t think he sucks. Ainge is just asking for too much. It’s a ludicrous demand and all six of those teams can only offer less than the Knicks.

Flipside what are the odds Ainge sends Mitchell to the Celtics for that offer?

[stuporman]

One thing we’re all ignoring. This is the perfect example (and KD) of the problem with these Star players agreeing to max extensions with their team even if they don’t think they’ll want to be there for the duration of the extension. The security of that max contract means you’re committed to that team. You can’t agree to the contract to get your money and THEN try to go to your preferred team. These situations could damage the “Player Empowerment” Era.

Are you saying Mitchell is an example of a player taking the max contract then wanting out going to his preferred team? Was it him who decided to trade Gobert for mostly draft assets, cut his best friend, trade another important piece for a pick, not retain key FAs and shop himself to other teams?

If the Jazz ownership didn't tell him they were going to do that but instead feed him the bull they were going to finish building a championship contender around the existing core then they lied to him when the extension was getting negotiated. Which do you think it logically was?

They are the ones who changed it up after the contract was signed not him because there is no way he'd sign that contract if they said the plan is to rebuild for years, the duration of his contract while he's entering his prime to be on a tanking rebuild team.

So Mitchell's circumstances are very different than Durant's or most of the other max cats that demanded a trade to a specific team. If they don't do him right in sending him to where he wants to go after they mislead him then their word with any player moving forward is garbage, nobody will believe them again.

Do they want to let this drag out risking all the possible pitfalls and missing out on what may be the top of the market summer where they can get an instant infusion of massive draft assets and young players to start their rebuilding with no lingering issues... or they can roll the dice.

[thebuzzardman]

Here comes the Donovan Mitchell sucks contingent

I don’t think he sucks. Ainge is just asking for too much. It’s a ludicrous demand and all six of those teams can only offer less than the Knicks.

Flipside what are the odds Ainge sends Mitchell to the Celtics for that offer?

Here goes Rose and Randle out the door, Mitchell in.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7597032

Jazz get 2 frp from LAL, 4 from Knicks.

[Clyde_Style]

My vision is going blurry every time I try to read this thread today

My body is telling my brain to stop

[SARGO127]

Lock this up

[BKlutch]

Anyone ever use twitter spaces? I feel like this community needs to transition there. So much knowledge here throughout the years.

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1ynJOZynAEQGR

I know they’re looking for co host and host!

NevaGivinKnixUp trying to GetYou2GiveRGMUp

Well, Spaces doesn't work on a Mac. So some of us are almost as stuck here as we're stuck being Knicks fans. Besides, if it's anything like Tik Tok or FB reels, then nah.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Jaylen Brown would be redundant with RJ

(yes I went there)

you mean jaylen brown would make RJ redundant

[Galvationknicks]

Skip thread 7 and make 8. Lucky #7 doesn't work for knick fans

[DaGawd]

Skip thread 7 and make 8. Lucky #7 doesn't work for knick fans

7 is where we find out he wants to get traded to Miami is what you’re saying?

[K_ick_God]

That's a good offer the Nets should take.

[Chanel Bomber]

Here are some further Donovan Mitchell red flags:

1) In 2021 in the second round of the playoffs Kawhi Leonard went down with the torn ACL in game 4. The series was even at 2-2. The Jazz were the first seed and had a completely healthy squad as well as home court advantage vs. a Clippers team without their best player. What was the outcome? The Clippers won both following games en route to a 4-2 series upset. Mitchell went 18-46 (39%) in the final two games and the Jazz had essentially blown a 2-0 lead.

2) Last year in the playoffs Doncic was injured for the first 3 games of the series against the Jazz. Outcome? 2-1 for Dallas with Brunson averaging 30 points over that 3 game stretch. You would have thought that a healthy Jazz squad would have capitalized on Doncic missing and jumped out to a 3-0 lead or at least 2-1 lead but the Jazz came up short again.

3) You can look up the Jazz record over the past 5 years with Mitchell missing games vs. Gobert missing games. When Gobert misses games, the Jazz go from .640 win pace to like .450 pace. When Mitchell misses games the Jazz go from .640 to like .600 ---which clearly suggests that Gobert's impact is much much bigger than Mitchell's impact. Last year the Jazz went 8-7 without Mitchell and in 20/21 they even went 13-6 without Michell (overall 21-13). In terms of wins and losses Mitchell's impact is not as high as some star-starving knick fan may believe.

4) The Jazz did try quite A LOT to work their team around Mitchell. They brought in Rubio and then Conley (both excellent defenders) to cover for Mitchell's defensive deficiencies. They had the biggest defensive inside presence to cover for Mitchell (Gobert). They had other great wing defenders (O'Neal). They had formidable shooters around Mitchell (Bojan, Ingles). They even had the 6th man of the year and were always well coached. All of that resulted mostly in first round exits. Anyone thinking that Mitchell is THAT player that will completely turn the trajectory of this franchise around and is willing to give up 6 FRPs + 3 young assets is simply COMPLETELY overrating the impact that Mitchell is gonna have in terms of winning basketball games, let alone playoff series.

And don't get me wrong: I definitely would be willing to pay a solid price for Mitchell, but paying an insane price would set this franchise back, not help it.

Gobert was definitely Utah's best player. He was the driving force behind their success in the regular season.

Mitchell - while undoubtedly a star and a difference-maker - is definitely not an upper-tier superstar (not yet at least).

Which is why, as you said, it all depends on the price.

The most valuable assets by far are the Knicks' unprotected firsts. Our young players are mostly expandable, though I do like a couple of them myself. It's largely the number of unprotected Knicks firsts that will really define whether a Mitchell trade is a constructive one or a franchise-altering one imo.

[Clyde_Style]

Skip thread 7 and make 8. Lucky #7 doesn't work for knick fans

7 is where we find out he wants to get traded to Miami is what you’re saying?

# 7 will be solely dedicated to rescuing GA from a Thai prison

[amsterdamknicks]

F*ck this sh*t

[sol537]

That's a good offer the Nets should take.

Brown + Smart + 2 picks + 1 swap would be a fair offer for Durant IMO. Would help both teams in what they're trying to achieve IMO...

And Durant would get a good shot at trying to topple the Warriors for another title...