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Re: Around the NBA - Continued 

Post#1881 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:58 am

SelbyCobra wrote:Putting aside the reality of an actual trade, and just focusing on the player - Jimmy Butler is old, but he's still wildly efficient, unbelievable at drawing fouls, one of the smartest players in the whole league, committed to defense, in phenomenal shape, one of the best playoff performers of our time, and only has two years left after this one.

Obviously not the greatest option in terms of longterm window, but he's a piece that can FOR SURE push a team like the Knicks into contention RIGHT NOW.


Jimmy makes north of 40. Unless Miami takes back Randle, it's not happening either way
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Post#1882 » by SelbyCobra » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:22 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Putting aside the reality of an actual trade, and just focusing on the player - Jimmy Butler is old, but he's still wildly efficient, unbelievable at drawing fouls, one of the smartest players in the whole league, committed to defense, in phenomenal shape, one of the best playoff performers of our time, and only has two years left after this one.

Obviously not the greatest option in terms of longterm window, but he's a piece that can FOR SURE push a team like the Knicks into contention RIGHT NOW.


Jimmy makes north of 40. Unless Miami takes back Randle, it's not happening either way


That's not correct. Mitch, Fournier, and Arcidiacono works from a purely mathematical standpoint in the checker.
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Re: Around the NBA - Continued 

Post#1883 » by Jay10 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:25 am

MrDollarBills wrote:It's crazy that Nuggets vs OKC is about to start and Disney and the league opted for Suns vs Nets on a national tv game.

It's like they want to fail.


Its the networks that decide which matchup they want to show, and which matchup will get them the most amount of viewers.

The storyline of Durant's return to Brooklyn and Lillard's return to Portland will get more viewers than a Nuggets vs Thunder game.

During the 2024-2025 season expect ESPN, ABC, or TNT to bid for more Raptors vs Knicks games.

If Julius gets traded the team he plays for will get the same ESPN, ABC, TNT bidding war for his games against the Knicks.
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Re: Around the NBA - Continued 

Post#1884 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:27 am

SelbyCobra wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:Putting aside the reality of an actual trade, and just focusing on the player - Jimmy Butler is old, but he's still wildly efficient, unbelievable at drawing fouls, one of the smartest players in the whole league, committed to defense, in phenomenal shape, one of the best playoff performers of our time, and only has two years left after this one.

Obviously not the greatest option in terms of longterm window, but he's a piece that can FOR SURE push a team like the Knicks into contention RIGHT NOW.


Jimmy makes north of 40. Unless Miami takes back Randle, it's not happening either way


That's not correct. Mitch, Fournier, and Arcidiacono works from a purely mathematical standpoint in the checker.


Yes, but i don't understand why Miami trades for that package of players. Miami has Bam, it's not good cap management to bring in Mitch's salary

A player whose salary rolls in at about half the amount of Jimmy's is a more feasible target.
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Re: Around the NBA - Continued 

Post#1885 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:30 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:It's crazy that Nuggets vs OKC is about to start and Disney and the league opted for Suns vs Nets on a national tv game.

It's like they want to fail.


Its the networks that decide which matchup they want to show, and which matchup will get them the most amount of viewers.

The storyline of Durant's return to Brooklyn and Lillard's return to Portland will get more viewers than a Nuggets vs Thunder game.


This isn't going to help prepare the sport for when Durant, Lillard, LeBron, Steph are gone. SGA and Jokic are prime time players. They need to take center stage, this is a mid week Prime Time game on ABC. This space should be for the main events, not undercard matches.

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Post#1886 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:31 am

Rucco, JJ and Reddick calling games is probably going to be the squad that takes over when Mike Breen decides to retire 20 years from now.
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Post#1887 » by Jay10 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:34 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:It's crazy that Nuggets vs OKC is about to start and Disney and the league opted for Suns vs Nets on a national tv game.

It's like they want to fail.


Its the networks that decide which matchup they want to show, and which matchup will get them the most amount of viewers.

The storyline of Durant's return to Brooklyn and Lillard's return to Portland will get more viewers than a Nuggets vs Thunder game.


This isn't going to help prepare the sport for when Durant, Lillard, LeBron, Steph are gone. SGA and Jokic are prime time players. They need to take center stage, this is a mid week Prime Time game on ABC. This space should be for the main events, not undercard matches.

This is ass.


With the storyline of Anthony Edwards vs Shai this season, networks are definitely going to have a bidding war to broadcast Minnesota vs OKC games going forward.
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Post#1888 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:35 am

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274494/Tyrese-Haliburton-Calls-Games-Played-Threshold-For-Awards-A-Stupid-Rule

"I think it’s a stupid rule, like plenty of the guys in the league, but this is what the owners want, so as players, we gotta do our job and play in 65 games if we’re able to," Haliburton said. "So, that’s what I gotta do, take care of my body to be able to play in those games, and I think you’re seeing other players in the league kind of face the same thing. As long as the owners are happy."


I think it's a) ridiculous to think these guys are so entitled to think that availability isn't an important ability and b) that the people who make these awards would be allowing someone who plays less than 2/3 the season to compete for an award to begin with.
It does suck for Embiid who is having perhaps his most dominant year yet, but is on track to play about 55 games, to not have a shot at the awards. However, end of the day, he i missing 20+ games which is going to be tagging his team with 10+ losses. Meanwhile Jokic may be having a less impressive overall season, but he seems to be playing.
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Post#1889 » by WaltFrazier » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:45 am

Jay10 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Its the networks that decide which matchup they want to show, and which matchup will get them the most amount of viewers.

The storyline of Durant's return to Brooklyn and Lillard's return to Portland will get more viewers than a Nuggets vs Thunder game.


This isn't going to help prepare the sport for when Durant, Lillard, LeBron, Steph are gone. SGA and Jokic are prime time players. They need to take center stage, this is a mid week Prime Time game on ABC. This space should be for the main events, not undercard matches.

This is ass.


With the storyline of Anthony Edwards vs Shai this season, networks are definitely going to have a bidding war to broadcast Minnesota vs OKC games going forward.

That's the coming star rivalry, but the networks won't like it being with 2 small market non- glamor franchises. It will be interesting if those two teams stay together.
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Post#1890 » by SelbyCobra » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:52 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jimmy makes north of 40. Unless Miami takes back Randle, it's not happening either way


That's not correct. Mitch, Fournier, and Arcidiacono works from a purely mathematical standpoint in the checker.


Yes, but i don't understand why Miami trades for that package of players. Miami has Bam, it's not good cap management to bring in Mitch's salary

A player whose salary rolls in at about half the amount of Jimmy's is a more feasible target.


Oh, I agree, but if Miami wants to go full rebuild and take that player package + 5 1sts and 3 swaps (just hypothetically, I'm not advocating that :lol: ) it's a viable pathway to a trade.
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Post#1891 » by islanders11040 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:54 am

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Post#1892 » by god shammgod » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:56 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274494/Tyrese-Haliburton-Calls-Games-Played-Threshold-For-Awards-A-Stupid-Rule

"I think it’s a stupid rule, like plenty of the guys in the league, but this is what the owners want, so as players, we gotta do our job and play in 65 games if we’re able to," Haliburton said. "So, that’s what I gotta do, take care of my body to be able to play in those games, and I think you’re seeing other players in the league kind of face the same thing. As long as the owners are happy."


I think it's a) ridiculous to think these guys are so entitled to think that availability isn't an important ability and b) that the people who make these awards would be allowing someone who plays less than 2/3 the season to compete for an award to begin with.
It does suck for Embiid who is having perhaps his most dominant year yet, but is on track to play about 55 games, to not have a shot at the awards. However, end of the day, he i missing 20+ games which is going to be tagging his team with 10+ losses. Meanwhile Jokic may be having a less impressive overall season, but he seems to be playing.


they're mad because the awards are tied to salaries. so basically if a guy has an injury he can be financially impacted for years to come. it isn't really fair.
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Post#1893 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:58 am

First game back for Garland and Mobley and they're in a tough game against the Pistons :lol:

I'm so glad they don't realize that the team should be built around Mitchell as the primary, with a big guard next to him and without some garbage man PF who can't shoot. We will beat them in a series again as long as they keep playing that same trash setup.

They should have traded Garland for OG, and then Mobley for whatever else.
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Post#1894 » by islanders11040 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:00 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:First game back for Garland and Mobley and they're in a tough game against the Pistons :lol:

I'm so glad they don't realize that the team should be built around Mitchell as the primary, with a big guard next to him and without some garbage man PF who can't shoot. We will beat them in a series again as long as they keep playing that same trash setup.

They should have traded Garland for OG, and then Mobley for whatever else.

I wouldn't mind getting Mitch back and having him **** all over Allen again
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Post#1895 » by Riot Randolph » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:05 am

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Post#1896 » by omerome » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:07 am

god shammgod wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274494/Tyrese-Haliburton-Calls-Games-Played-Threshold-For-Awards-A-Stupid-Rule

"I think it’s a stupid rule, like plenty of the guys in the league, but this is what the owners want, so as players, we gotta do our job and play in 65 games if we’re able to," Haliburton said. "So, that’s what I gotta do, take care of my body to be able to play in those games, and I think you’re seeing other players in the league kind of face the same thing. As long as the owners are happy."


I think it's a) ridiculous to think these guys are so entitled to think that availability isn't an important ability and b) that the people who make these awards would be allowing someone who plays less than 2/3 the season to compete for an award to begin with.
It does suck for Embiid who is having perhaps his most dominant year yet, but is on track to play about 55 games, to not have a shot at the awards. However, end of the day, he i missing 20+ games which is going to be tagging his team with 10+ losses. Meanwhile Jokic may be having a less impressive overall season, but he seems to be playing.


they're mad because the awards are tied to salaries. so basically if a guy has an injury he can be financially impacted for years to come. it isn't really fair.

That sounds like something the NBPA should have negotiated then.

How isn't it far though? Their salaries are guaranteed. They get paid when they are on or off the court. They only don't get a bonus when they don't meet a very fair criteria which is to show up and perform.
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Post#1897 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:15 am

Knox, Burks, and gallo having big games to make it tight with the Cavs. Once a Knick, always a Knick
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Post#1898 » by Jose7 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:15 am

Monty is no gonna challenge that? Jesus
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Post#1899 » by Capn'O » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:18 am

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Knox, Burks, and gallo having big games to make it tight with the Cavs. Once a Knick, always a Knick


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Post#1900 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:19 am

omerome wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274494/Tyrese-Haliburton-Calls-Games-Played-Threshold-For-Awards-A-Stupid-Rule



I think it's a) ridiculous to think these guys are so entitled to think that availability isn't an important ability and b) that the people who make these awards would be allowing someone who plays less than 2/3 the season to compete for an award to begin with.
It does suck for Embiid who is having perhaps his most dominant year yet, but is on track to play about 55 games, to not have a shot at the awards. However, end of the day, he i missing 20+ games which is going to be tagging his team with 10+ losses. Meanwhile Jokic may be having a less impressive overall season, but he seems to be playing.


they're mad because the awards are tied to salaries. so basically if a guy has an injury he can be financially impacted for years to come. it isn't really fair.

That sounds like something the NBPA should have negotiated then.

How isn't it far though? Their salaries are guaranteed. They get paid when they are on or off the court. They only don't get a bonus when they don't meet a very fair criteria which is to show up and perform.

certain awards trigger higher salaries. In Hali's case if he wins certain awards he makes an extra 40M over the life of his contract.
still, I like that the NBA has basically codified that you have to have a certain attendance in order to get an award. It sucks that Randle is going to miss out on an all-NBA team despite an amazing year because of a dirty play by a dirty team. It would suck if that injury/lack of accolade harms his salary and earnings. Ultimately - If randle only plays 55 games because of this injury - there are probably guys who played 70+ games who probably deserve it more than he does this particular season. Not through his fault, but due to how that sort of thing goes.

We all love paid time off, but imagine if you pay to see Taylor Swift and instead she feels a little weary or whatever and you get her backup. Not what you paid the 500 bucks for. The guys who have real injuries are paying for a) the guys who fake it/rest and b) the award givers who give these things to part-time players.

Players likely advocated to get bonuses for these awards. I doubt it was the GM's idea to take away money from non-award winners etc. This is quite a foot-in-door approach to top players just being greedy.
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