2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 4

[snadler]

Amazing how people aren’t connecting the dots, knicks were very much interested in signing brown in the offseason, so rose thibs and crew like him. I will say this again, knicks love this team, and they want to add a piece that fits the mold, brown although not fancy, fits the team, tough, plays defense, will help the bench, won’t cause friction, knows his role, won a ring. If i had a dollar for everyone who hated precious after 1 game i’d be rich. I trust rose and thibs and if they feel brown is the best fit to blend into an already good team i’m fully behind it

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[mpharris36]

We'll take on Monte Morris Mr mpharris

Easy peasy

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for Fournier?

So lose Fournier tradable salary in a star trade for expirings that don't move the needle? No way thats happening. If they trade Fournier its to extend his salary into the following season...its why someone like Bruce Brown is of interest.

Interesting.

So you don't want to trade F0urni3r for a guaranteed championship.

Are you even a Knicks fan? Or just a F0urni3r fan?

Fournier contract is key now that they traded RJ and IQ for OG (since they aren't using OG in a trade) they need the tradable salary of fournier contract next year. So you can trade Fournier it just has to be for a multi year deal ike Brown or Brogdon or someone like that. Can't be for an expiring.

Or you wont have matching salary in the offseason to even trade for a star (which seems like its always been the gameplan).

[mpharris36]

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they don't have a 1st to trade...so one pick from us beats them.

[god shammgod]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 next summer ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

[mpharris36]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

who is saying they wont trade randle with that other salary to get that star? Randle changed agents not sure he is in there long term plans beyond this season.


randle still makes less than most stars so yes Fournier or another 20ish MM salary will be important to be in that 40ish range.

Knicks clearly have prioritized on keeping Fournier deal for a while now

[Chanel Bomber]

for Fournier?

So lose Fournier tradable salary in a star trade for expirings that don't move the needle? No way thats happening. If they trade Fournier its to extend his salary into the following season...its why someone like Bruce Brown is of interest.

Interesting.

So you don't want to trade F0urni3r for a guaranteed championship.

Are you even a Knicks fan? Or just a F0urni3r fan?

Fournier contract is key now that they traded RJ and IQ for OG (since they aren't using OG in a trade) they need the tradable salary of fournier contract next year. So you can trade Fournier it just has to be for a multi year deal ike Brown or Brogdon or someone like that. Can't be for an expiring.

Or you wont have matching salary in the offseason to even trade for a star (which seems like its always been the gameplan).

So you don't want to see Knicks championship, just because you're a F0urni3r fan.

Sad.

[mpharris36]

Interesting.

So you don't want to trade F0urni3r for a guaranteed championship.

Are you even a Knicks fan? Or just a F0urni3r fan?

Fournier contract is key now that they traded RJ and IQ for OG (since they aren't using OG in a trade) they need the tradable salary of fournier contract next year. So you can trade Fournier it just has to be for a multi year deal ike Brown or Brogdon or someone like that. Can't be for an expiring.

Or you wont have matching salary in the offseason to even trade for a star (which seems like its always been the gameplan).

So you don't want to see Knicks championship, just because you're a F0urni3r fan.

Sad.

have you been drinking today?

[Wildcat]

Fred Katz saying that the Knicks and Raptors discussing Bruce Brown for Fournier and picks. No Grimes.

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

Were cornering the market on No3&D guys, clearly =)

In all seriousness, Brown showed he can ball in big spots in last year’s playoffs. He was reliable when all of Denver’s young guys started to choke (ie Porter Jr.)

That’s worth something…

Just feels a bit redundant, then.

[Chanel Bomber]

Fournier contract is key now that they traded RJ and IQ for OG (since they aren't using OG in a trade) they need the tradable salary of fournier contract next year. So you can trade Fournier it just has to be for a multi year deal ike Brown or Brogdon or someone like that. Can't be for an expiring.

Or you wont have matching salary in the offseason to even trade for a star (which seems like its always been the gameplan).

So you don't want to see Knicks championship, just because you're a F0urni3r fan.

Sad.

have you been drinking today?

No

Have you

[mpharris36]

So you don't want to see Knicks championship, just because you're a F0urni3r fan.

Sad.

have you been drinking today?

No

Have you

I'm not the one that is making no sense

[thebuzzardman]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 next summer ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

I THINK that if OG takes less than the complete max, there's a window to add another star while Brunson and Randle's salaries aren't maxed. Like, a window of this offseason. Also, someone stated that Brunson probably wouldn't extend, but hit FA, since he'd get more money in that scenario. I don't know if that buys a year or not.

It seems like the Knicks are still planning on using Fournier (resigned) or someone to replace his $, as part of a bigger trade in the offseason. Of course, Mitch and his $17 million will be part of the trade as well.

[Reign23]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 next summer ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

of course you are not alone with this. Randle is the guy and contract to upgrade.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Deuce >>> Burks

[Wildcat]

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

I think its nothing more than how the article portrays it. Knicks are looking for an "innings eater" someone that thibs will trust to give minutes to someone that can help lessen the load off our guys while they are hurt that one cost a ton of draft capital.

I can't imagine Bruce Brown that much in terms of capital but its someone that can come in right away and thibs will trust him to give him minutes.

That why we can be patient with Grimes/OG and maybe even give Brunson (because brown can initiate some offense), during the regular season.

He also has playoff experience so if OG has to miss a game in the playoffs you know Brown can step in and take on more minutes and you know he won't be shook by the moment.

It doesn't sound like the knicks want to dive into there "better" assets for bench help.

I'm not advocating for or against it, but yeah, it's pretty easy to understand. People complaining that Brown is another Josh Hart, but that's actually the point. This team has gotten to the point where they're bordering on legit contention in the East by having a transformative star in Brunson, surrounded by lots of well-rounded, dog mentality, defense-committed gamers. Basically great depth of all-around solid players who can log 20 or 40 minutes on any given night, depending on the needs.

With that depth being currently tested, and a guy like OG's ability to stay on the court always in question, flipping a non-fit for the team (Fournier) and a minimal draft asset into another 2024 NYK archetype depth piece that has playoff experience is easy to understand.

It's not a homerun, and it's not "the answer" to the team's problems, but it is bolstering the roster.

I don't think it's a complaint. It's more about questioning the choice of finding a real backup for JB vs. another hustle guy. My only real exposure to him was during the playoffs, but I don't really remember him initiating the offense.

[god shammgod]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

who is saying they wont trade randle with that other salary to get that star? Randle changed agents not sure he is in there long term plans beyond this season.


randle still makes less than most stars so yes Fournier or another 20ish MM salary will be important to be in that 40ish range.

randle makes 30 next year . donovan mitchell makes 34. do you need evan's deal for that ?

kat you will but if the knicks are willing to spend 50 mill a year on him they have more serious problems than matching contracts.

[stuporman]

Nobody has been saying what is obvious, not even me but I won't tell you what that is because it's so obvious I wouldn't want to insult you by suggesting you don't see it, too...you know what I mean.

[Capn'O]

the finances don't work for trading for a star max player, which is what their whole plan is, and keeping all 3 of brunson, randle and og on max or near max deals. there seems to be one guy here who is talking about this besides me. teams really can't have 3 max guys without being a 2nd apron team in the new rules and somehow the knicks are gonna have 4 ? it aint gonna work. they can't just keep everyone. so either we have our big 3 right now or one of those 3 is gonna have to go in the eventual "star" trade. in that case, holding onto fournier's deal doesn't matter as much as people think it does.

who is saying they wont trade randle with that other salary to get that star? Randle changed agents not sure he is in there long term plans beyond this season.


randle still makes less than most stars so yes Fournier or another 20ish MM salary will be important to be in that 40ish range.

Knicks clearly have prioritized on keeping Fournier deal for a while now

I agree with Sham. I think Fournier goes away if we don't trade him now.

If we're looking to re-sign iHart, Precious, and OG this offseason that likely adds 30-35 mil to the payroll if we keep Fournier. Once the lux tax is accounted for that's a huge salary commitment caused by a guy who isn't playing.

[Knick4Real]

I need some convincing on this Bruce Brown thing. Not sure what he provides that the team doesn't have. Is the goal going to be, "Well, our bench can't score, but now your bench can't score, either."

I think its nothing more than how the article portrays it. Knicks are looking for an "innings eater" someone that thibs will trust to give minutes to someone that can help lessen the load off our guys while they are hurt that one cost a ton of draft capital.

I can't imagine Bruce Brown that much in terms of capital but its someone that can come in right away and thibs will trust him to give him minutes.

That why we can be patient with Grimes/OG and maybe even give Brunson (because brown can initiate some offense), during the regular season.

He also has playoff experience so if OG has to miss a game in the playoffs you know Brown can step in and take on more minutes and you know he won't be shook by the moment.

It doesn't sound like the knicks want to dive into there "better" assets for bench help.

I'm not advocating for or against it, but yeah, it's pretty easy to understand. People complaining that Brown is another Josh Hart, but that's actually the point. This team has gotten to the point where they're bordering on legit contention in the East by having a transformative star in Brunson, surrounded by lots of well-rounded, dog mentality, defense-committed gamers. Basically great depth of all-around solid players who can log 20 or 40 minutes on any given night, depending on the needs.

With that depth being currently tested, and a guy like OG's ability to stay on the court always in question, flipping a non-fit for the team (Fournier) and a minimal draft asset into another 2024 NYK archetype depth piece that has playoff experience is easy to understand.

It's not a homerun, and it's not "the answer" to the team's problems, but it is bolstering the roster.

You can have all the defense in the world, but at the end of the day we still have to put the ball in the basket to win games.

The KNICKS are badly in need of another shooter. The last game proved it. Jalen basically attempted to shoot us into a win all by himself since nobody else could buy a basket. Besides, we already have Bruce Brown on the team -- and his name is Josh Hart.

Give me somebody who can come into a game and create instant offense. Also, somebody who can give Brunson a break so that Thibs doesn't have him in the ICU by the playoffs. I just don't get the interest in Bruce Brown or see how he moves the needle for us.

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