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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1881 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:36 pm

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i'll give it a chance but he's the one guy i really really didn't want. it just seems like one of those trades that the knicks do that'll just screw it all up somehow.




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You not wanting it compounded with them potentially moving Mitch? A title would just be a cherry on top, your anguish is fuel enough.


you're a terrible person. i hope you scuff your timbs today and then immediately walk into a puddle. i picture children laughing and pointing at you after while you're dressed as one of the st. lunatics in their prime.



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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1882 » by aggo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:36 pm

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I doubt they re-sign Randle. This move had a lot to do with money.

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1883 » by aggo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:37 pm

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But it's not like we gave up the future with this move. What value did a one year Randle have around the league just have to ask yourself that? And its not like a situation where you just want Randle to expire either with the new cap structure either since we can replace the contract.

It has its risk but the Randle situation was also risky. They are pretty similar player IMO but KAT is more efficient and can play some more 5 so the fit is better imo.


i don't think you'll get out of it though for the next 4 years if it doesn't work. that's the future you gave up. i agree that randle is not worth much. he was salary filler more than anything in this. but this is a guy who puts up numbers and is an all-star and the best they could get for him is donte divincenzo and a pick that will probably never convey. and he is gonna make like 55 a year now. not sure he'll have any value soon.

Towns has never had a bad NBA season. Cheer up.


the reality is that his worst season is better than Randle's best season.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1884 » by god shammgod » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:39 pm

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I doubt they re-sign Randle. This move had a lot to do with money.

WhY dId ThEY KeEp NaZ reID tHO?!!?!??


i know you're smarter than everybody, you keep telling us that while repeatably saying stupid things. but if you read about this trade whatsoever you would know that part of the reasoning for making this trade was that naz reid is due to get paid and they want to keep him so they had to lose salary somewhere else.

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1885 » by KnixinSix » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:40 pm

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I doubt they re-sign Randle. This move had a lot to do with money.

WhY dId ThEY KeEp NaZ reID tHO?!!?!??



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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1886 » by aq_ua » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:40 pm

https://youtu.be/FRv_87Asn38?si=up0C6DCOvpjTMuMJ

Vid on KAT’s improved defense last season. The numbers were impressive at least early on in the season.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1887 » by Stannis » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:41 pm

Not really familiar with new CBA rules TBH. Didn't realize the 2nd apron was this harsh lol. Seems like it's hard to continue to build on a good time if you are over that second apron.

- Teams do not have level to the taxpayer midlevel exception.
- Teams cannot use trade exceptions created when combining the salaries of multiple players.
- Teams cannot use trade exceptions from any prior year.
- Teams lose the ability to trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future.
- If teams remain in the second apron for any three years in a five-year period, their upcoming first-round draft pick is automatically moved to the end of the first round.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1888 » by aggo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:41 pm

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I doubt they re-sign Randle. This move had a lot to do with money.

WhY dId ThEY KeEp NaZ reID tHO?!!?!??


i know you're smarter than everybody, you keep telling us that while repeatably saying stupid things. but if you read about this trade whatsoever you would know that part of the reasoning for making this trade was that naz reid is due to get paid and they want to keep him so they had to lose salary somewhere else.

shams


naz starting max will be lower than Kats supermax. this is even assuming he gets the max.


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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1889 » by Context » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:44 pm

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One thing I will never quite understand is the visceral dislike of KAT from some corners of the fan base. Fine, he made goofy comments or did boneheaded things on the court at times. But he is also a phenomenal player, a great teammate and loyal to Minnesota in ways that we always complain others aren’t.


He could have complained and asked out of here in situations where others would have. At several points it would have been reasonable for him to say that he needed a fresh start somewhere else. After years of playing for an incompetent dysfunctional franchise with a revolving door of players and coaches around him. After the Butler fiasco. After all the personal loss from COVID. After being asked to change positions when we acquired Rudy. But he never did.


So yeah, get it that’s it’s a cruel business and all that. But maybe give KAT his due instead of crapping on him on his way out the door.


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Hell yes. Kat was fantastic and I'll always root for him. And the writing was on the wall that he probably was going to be shipped out. Both can be true!

But hell, Kat gave so much to this team and state. He deserves all the love


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Nuggets fan here, came over to check folks' reaction to this shocking trade.

Yeah, we understand that Minnesota was facing very difficult cap realities. Denver's been in this boat for a minute, too, and we've lost a couple of terrific players because of it. It really sucks, especially for you guys as KAT was a dude you actually drafted...

I'm replying to your comment since you address the thing that matters to me: matching up against Denver. Last season was a wakeup call for us, and it's clear that your ability to throw fresh bigs at Jokić game after game took a toll. Yeah, he played great, put up numbers, but it was clear that he was beat down by the end. Not an excuse! This was brilliant strategy by Minnesota. I'm not saying that KAT is some kind of a Jokić-stopper, but he's tall and he's strong and he was in a position most of the time to overplay and then get help. It was effective overall and just enough to win the series.

Losing KAT is something that you can overcome, I'm convinced. Randle is inefficient and not a terrific defender, but he definitely brings scoring punch. He'll be fine. DDV is a terrific addition. Like Denver, you have issues with bench scoring and he fits perfectly. So I think you guys will be more or less just as good this coming season.

But: here in Denver we recognized a team that was built to beat our Nuggets. And it worked, hats off. That's just no longer the case. What Wolves player will be tasked as primary defender against Jokić? Gobert? He's good in the low post (still gets burned sometimes, but at least he can be tall down there), but over a 7-game series, we know how that plays out. Jokić is too versatile, too deep of a bag. Naz Reid is amazing, but just not big enough. Randle is bbq chicken. And when Jokić is cooking, the whole team eats. That's the point of Nikola Jokić, that's why he's an all-timer. You guys had the answer, and now it's gone. I think Denver wins a playoff re-match if it happens (assuming relative health on both sides). Minnesota is still a top team and capable of great things this coming year. Just relatively weaker vs Denver. We're all pretty happy about it over here.

It was a very tough choice, sorry that it had to play out this way for you.


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That’s not true at all.

Having a guard shooting at the top of the key on the move brings a guard out. The paint is still protected.

Having a 7 footer parked at the top of the key means the paint is either open because their big is guarding, or your historically good 7 footer is getting a pseudo uncontested shot because a wing is guarding him. The Celtics just won a championship with this offense.

Stop trying to minimize and poo poo KAT.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1890 » by DaGawd » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:46 pm

Guano wrote:Would be very knicks if this trade imploded and randle ends up staying. Disgruntled and toxic as hell.

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1891 » by Context » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:47 pm

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I doubt they re-sign Randle. This move had a lot to do with money.

and this is the reason we got lucky...
What excites me the most about Kat is what Kat and Brunson will do together.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1892 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:47 pm

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1893 » by F N 11 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:48 pm

If Mitch was available we wouldn’t want to trade him. Every time it seem like he’s going to hit next level he get hurt.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1894 » by F N 11 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:50 pm

We was panicking how we couldn’t stop Kat in msg. Ooo’s and aahhh’a from MSG. Now he trash lmao. Never change Knicks fans.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1895 » by aggo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:50 pm

F N 11 wrote:If Mitch was available we wouldn’t want to trade him. Every time it seem like he’s going to hit next level he get hurt.


think about this


if mitch wasn't made of glass, ihart never starts, randle would still be on this team.
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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1896 » by Context » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:52 pm

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I like KAT. I’m not a Minnesotan, so I don’t have the love for him bc his amazing loyalty to the community but I highly respect it and that KAT is an incredible human being in a sport (and normal ppl) world filled with ax holes and worse. KAT is a great teammate, he supported teammates and coaches that did t deserve it. He sacrificed at every turn. He improved his game. He got a ton of **** that was never his fault bc the Wolves were a mess. He got labeled a horrible defender when he was simply below average bc the Wolves had terribad wing defense until recently, which helped KAT get to solidly above average and a true weapon paired with Rudy and Jaden to attack the defending champ Nugs and the NBA 1-1 Joker. KAT is awesome, I will miss him. It’s so rare to see a guy play out his entire career with success one One team. Part of me will be very sad for KAT he won’t be here when the Wolves are lead by his “lil bro” Ant when any wins a ring. KAT will undeniably get hated on for that too, like he was holding the team back. He wasn’t. His contract however, was.

It’s not KATs fault the AllNBA was based on position and was what got players their Max deals. It’s a vote and those voters could only select a few at each position and those guys got the max deals. That system sucks. That system got KAT traded, along with new CBA post Rudy trade.

The Knicks and the Wolves both got better. I 100% believe that. The wolves badly needed a backup PG and desperately need a 3rd Wing Defender. The Knick could spare a 3rd wing defender and desperately needed to improve their number 2 option behind Brunson. KAT is a CLEAR upgrade over Randle. Divo is a CLEAR upgrade over NAW and Finch/TC get a lesser version of KAT at a lesser price on a shorter deal. It allows Jaden to have more pie on offense, Naz a bigger role, and makes it possible to keep Naz, who is also a fan favorite, UDFA to, roster worthy to, role player to, 6th man and he’s still scratching the surface of his abilities, as is Jaden. This means Naz will stay in Minny along with Jaden to run and gun and defend with Ant in future years. This year, it’s Mikes last year as a starter level PG, it could be Rudy’s last prime year maybe one more near this level and it will decrease from there. Naz, Jaden, Randle and Divo with take up the slack for what we lost in KAT. We lost a lot but we have a ton of current and future potential to backfill it and it’s possible there pieces fit with the 25yo version of Ant better. This years team is sick! Like NBA championship sick. Next year too, even better imo as the core 3 improve. KAT will be missed. He’s going to be a huge improvement over Randle in NY, maybe he gets a decent whistle. I would love to see him wreck Jimmy in the playoffs, go toe to toe beating Embiid and losing to the Wolves in the Finals for years to come.


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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1897 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:52 pm

F N 11 wrote:We was panicking how we couldn’t stop Kat in msg. Ooo’s and aahhh’a from MSG. Now he trash lmao. Never change Knicks fans.

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1898 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:55 pm

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Guano wrote:Would be very knicks if this trade imploded and randle ends up staying. Disgruntled and toxic as hell.

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1899 » by god shammgod » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:57 pm

aggo wrote:
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aggo wrote:WhY dId ThEY KeEp NaZ reID tHO?!!?!??


i know you're smarter than everybody, you keep telling us that while repeatably saying stupid things. but if you read about this trade whatsoever you would know that part of the reasoning for making this trade was that naz reid is due to get paid and they want to keep him so they had to lose salary somewhere else.

shams


naz starting max will be lower than Kats supermax. this is even assuming he gets the max.


be smarter

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dont be upset that I predicted this could come to pass. just like half the other "fake ****" I troll about that becomes real. like losing to indiana after beating Philly.


they prioritized keeping him over kat. that's a fact. you can't argue it. the guy who was "the most important" as you just said they shipped out. yes he's gonna get paid less but they could have kept either one and they chose to let kat go. why ?

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Re: Breaking: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#1900 » by Wildcat » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:59 pm

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Neither has Julius.


His wife already said something. As a married man myself, trust that that post was put together with his 2 cents.


Who's wife said what?


Julius' wife put out an Instagram story about the trade. Thanked NY, excited for a new chapter, etc. The usual stuff you'd expect to hear/read.

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