KAT To The Knicks Part 2

[SelbyCobra]

There were no alternatives, I really don't know what sham is talking about there, almost all the stars are locked up and we're in a transition period where there's more up and coming under 30 year olds locked into deals. This team is better than what it would have been had sham gotten his way and we made the Donovan Mitchell trade, we wouldn't have been able to get Mikal and OG had that trade gone through.

We were looking at starting Sims or Precious at C, and hoping Randle could handle backup 5 minutes. People wanted to waste another year of Brunsons prime waiting on maybe some other team falling apart at the deadline.

We only had 4 months to move Randle. They know he's opting out, coming off a major injury, getting older....value is really not high.

This was probably the best they could do.

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

[Clyde_Style]

We only had 4 months to move Randle. They know he's opting out, coming off a major injury, getting older....value is really not high.

This was probably the best they could do.

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

He is the best shooting center in the league. He has HOF offensive skills.

And I agree that he is perfect to add to an already built team rather having gotten him as the starting point. He should complement Brunson to a T.

This roster is constructed to kill the Celtics in particular. We may actually find it is harder to play the Sixers without Mitch to match up with Embiid, but we've got the two wings to cover Tatum and Brown and KAT is the perfect choice to guard KP. That's a defensive assignment he is well suited for.

[JBreezeNY]

We only had 4 months to move Randle. They know he's opting out, coming off a major injury, getting older....value is really not high.

This was probably the best they could do.

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

[Capn'O]

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

We'll be fine. But will we be great?

[Guano]

We only had 4 months to move Randle. They know he's opting out, coming off a major injury, getting older....value is really not high.

This was probably the best they could do.

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensive talent that is a low volume high efficiency scorer. He is going to do fit in seamlessly. His offense is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

[3toheadmelo]

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

It’s pretty telling that the guy who built the nuggets came to the conclusion that KAT is a 4.. and then traded him away after reaching the WCF.

[3toheadmelo]

With Donte gone, Kolek is gonna get a shot to be in the rotation. If his defense holds up, he might be nice

[JBreezeNY]

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

We'll be fine. But will we be great?

I really don’t know honestly.

[Guano]

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

It’s pretty telling that the guy who built the nuggets came to the conclusion that KAT is a 4.. and then traded him away after reaching the WCF.

I think with Naz and the cap it makes sense they wanted to move on from him. I just really looked at what they got on paper and the knicks really didn't give up sht to get him - an expiring, a nice bench player and 2 2nds is crazy for a guy on a super max entering his prime.

[Guano]

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

They're getting buckets but can they get stops. That's the worry with kat manning the paint.

[Capn'O]

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

We'll be fine. But will we be great?

I really don’t know honestly.

same same

[Guano]

With Donte gone, Kolek is gonna get a shot to be in the rotation. If his defense holds up, he might be nice

It was wet paper in SL

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This is why some of us are a lil skeptical of this move. They just committed to a super max guy entering his prime who was essentially moved for a salary dump, 2nd rounders, and a nice 6th man. I mean divo is nice but that essentially all they're getting in this deal. Maybe they facilitate Randle moving in the offseason or mid-season to recoup some talent. But yeah point stands. KAT's value is low for a reason. He is a flawed big on a massive deal.

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

You have to really look at the list of teams that were top 10 in DRTG last year, and you'll be surprised there's a couple teams in there with guys that are not rim protectors, and 2 of them are worse than KAT. The Pelicans were 6th defensively, Jonas is worse than KAT across the board as a defender, he has a higher @ rim percentage, higher career DRTG and can't move his feet, but their wings specifically Herb Jones are dogs. The next would be the Rockets, they were 10th with Sengun, mainly because of Thompson, Eason when he was there and Brooks, he shared the court with two horrific defenders in Green/Jabari, finally the Nuggets with world renowned rim protector Jokic were 8th.


The point is, the wings should absolutely be able to make up for his defense, the real question is will OG be healthy in April-June, if he is we're cooking with plutonium. We simply need to get into the top 10 on defense, if we are then we're going to be a massive problem.

[Clyde_Style]

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

You have to really look at the list of teams that were top 10 in DRTG last year, and you'll be surprised there's a couple teams in there with guys that are not rim protectors, and 2 of them are worse than KAT. The Pelicans were 6th defensively, Jonas is worse than KAT across the board as a defender, he has a higher @ rim percentage, higher career DRTG and can't move his feet, but their wings specifically Herb Jones are dogs. The next would be the Rockets, they were 10th with Sengun, mainly because of Thompson, Eason when he was there and Brooks, he shared the court with two horrific defenders in Green/Jabari, finally the Nuggets with world renowned rim protector Jokic were 10th.


The point is, the wings should absolutely be able to make up for his defense, the real question is will OG be healthy in April-June, if he is we're cooking with plutonium. We simply need to get into the top 10 on defense, if we are then we're going to be a massive problem.

OG's health may be the key to the season and going all the way. The guy provides some of the greatest X factor juice I've ever seen from a player that can't all be found in the stats alone.

[JBreezeNY]

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

If you view this as Kat replacing iHart the trade becomes 10x more digestible.

Randle was addition by subtraction mainly because the front office views Brunson as THE building block and the main facilitator. They saw what the team was able to do without Randle in the playoffs, how the offense was during the win streak and it became clear they didn’t need or want him.

It’s no longer about second option, third option, etc. it’s Brunson and the City Dancers. You either make quick decisions with the ball or you get shipped out. ie; Randle. The defense will come with the new flowing offense.

We’ll be fine.

They're getting buckets but can they get stops. That's the worry with kat manning the paint.

We need a replacement for Mitch, he’s too unreliable. That’s the best answer I can give on it.

I have multiple posts wanting nothing to do with Kat because of this very reason. We’re in a very optimistic position based on the offensive potential but a tough spot nonetheless.

[stuporman]

Small market Minnesota already deep into the 2nd apron even before KAT's extension kicks in and a number of their young players about to be seeking new contracts. They needed to get cap relief and every other team knew it...that's why KAT was traded, time wasn't on their side so they had to make a move sooner than later.

The spinning of narratives about him as a player is just that, spin. It really was mostly about the money and KAT was the only way to get some semblance of sanity back into their cap situation with 3 guys already making big bucks and a few more are due for sizable new contracts. This off season was their chance and if it weren't for the Knicks being in dire need of a big man they probably don't get as much.

In every argument or conversation you will ever have on this trade from now until you are whispering in a weak voice about it on your deathbed, always remember...it was about the money...nope, not the player...the money.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

It’s pretty telling that the guy who built the nuggets came to the conclusion that KAT is a 4.. and then traded him away after reaching the WCF.

I think with Naz and the cap it makes sense they wanted to move on from him. I just really looked at what they got on paper and the knicks really didn't give up sht to get him - an expiring, a nice bench player and 2 2nds is crazy for a guy on a super max entering his prime.

The issue is that he’s an Randle tier type player making super max money. I doubt there was any market for KAT.

[Guano]

All true. He's also insanely efficient offensively and has the potential to fit like a glove on the present team. And that's why, despite all the flaws, they were actively targeting him, in my opinion: they aren't looking for him to be the foundation, they're looking for him to be a piece and a compliment just under the wire.

They're built around Brunson's leadership and production, he's unquestionably their lead dog. After that you already have 3 other starters locked in for years in OG, Mikal, and Hart. They take the team to another level with their production, their attention to defense, and a general camaraderie; the structure and identity of the team is established, the pecking order is set, and the vibes are immaculate. Because of this, adding a guy like Towns as the last piece lets your primary concern be how he augments the already established identity of the team - how his skills play with what you're locked into - and care much less about his flaws since you're not needing him to be a foundational piece or savior of the franchise.

If this was four years ago and they were acquiring KAT to try and turn the franchise around, I'd be more skeptical and likely describe the move as highly risky. But in this situation the baseline expectation is that he simply does what he's already done for years alongside this established core, which carries so much less risk in my view.

I don't think we need to worry about him fitting in the offense. He is an elite offensivd talent that is a low volume he efficiency scorer and is going to do fit in seamlessly. He is going to help us win a lot of games.

I do worry about his offensive in the playoffs a lil. Just because he makes some poor decisions at times - such as offensive fouls and continuing to let em fly when they're not going down.

My concern is defense. if he is playing the 5 I don't know if our elite wings can make up for him.

And if the goal is to win a chip I have serious concerns about doing it with a highly paid big who is a poor defender. The only team I can think of who has won like that is the nugs. Maybe if with the elite defensive wings and thibs can mask his deficiencies on that end they can pull it off. I'm just highly skeptical of bigs that are poor defenders.

You have to really look at the list of teams that were top 10 in DRTG last year, and you'll be surprised there's a couple teams in there with guys that are not rim protectors, and 2 of them are worse than KAT. The Pelicans were 6th defensively, Jonas is worse than KAT across the board as a defender, he has a higher @ rim percentage, higher career DRTG and can't move his feet, but their wings specifically Herb Jones are dogs. The next would be the Rockets, they were 10th with Sengun, mainly because of Thompson, Eason when he was there and Brooks, he shared the court with two horrific defenders in Green/Jabari, finally the Nuggets with world renowned rim protector Jokic were 10th.


The point is, the wings should absolutely be able to make up for his defense, the real question is will OG be healthy in April-June, if he is we're cooking with plutonium. We simply need to get into the top 10 on defense, if we are then we're going to be a massive problem.

We better put og in bubble wrap until the last month or get him on some load management bullsht.

For real i just worry that our 2 stars are 1 way players. Brunson's poor d isn't as bad cause he is a pg. Having you C be bad at drop coverage and manning the paint is just worrisome.

[dukeknicksirish]

Do we wait to see if Mitch gets back and pairs well with KAT or do we make a move prior to address the C/Backup C issue ?

[3toheadmelo]

With Donte gone, Kolek is gonna get a shot to be in the rotation. If his defense holds up, he might be nice

It was wet paper in SL

Now that I think about it, Thibs is prob gonna play your boy cam Payne over him lol