Around the NBA - 2024-25 Season Continued

[3toheadmelo]

I’ll keep an eye on it. It’s been a long season and I’ll take that blame and, if you allow, trace some of it back to your history of what I’d call flamboyant delivery. Given what I’ve read here, I don’t think I can stop disagreeing, but I can certainly commend you for LaVine’s resurgence. Regardless, it has nothing to do with any action this team should take going forward and in my opinion you have failed to present anything substantial other than unwarranted complaints about Towns and Mikal. That’s not even a shot at you, it’s just an observation. Either way, I wouldn’t have expected such an output from LaVine ever again. Yet he still makes twice of what Mikal Bridges earns, so the latter is and will realistically be the much better option for us given his defensive ability - which has been there despite all attempts at denial. Not much is wrong with Mikal Bridges. He’s been very good when Brunson missed a month and also before (plus/minus, mid range etc).

This team may not win a championship this year, but no team has ever grown to that level that quickly and there are no better alternatives to Towns. Start Mitch over Hart and trade Deuce for Kessler in the offseason. We are close. I’ll certainly take Giannis, but I don’t think you could seriously make plans like that. Durant is too old and soon won’t even look like an upgrade anymore. Stay the course and enjoy. Dude, enjoy. Have a successful day!

I’m not reading all of that. Just stop mentioning me in every thread

Well, I guess I can say I’ve tried then Try to be right sometimes, that should help

Save your essays for someone who can relate to your bad takes

[spree2kawhi]

I’m not reading all of that. Just stop mentioning me in every thread

Well, I guess I can say I’ve tried then Try to be right sometimes, that should help

Save your essays for someone who can relate to your bad takes

No decency whatsoever... Then please don’t whine again when held accountable going forward this is it from me though.

[3toheadmelo]

Well, I guess I can say I’ve tried then Try to be right sometimes, that should help

Save your essays for someone who can relate to your bad takes

No decency whatsoever... Then please don’t whine again when held accountable going forward this is it from me though.

I’m not the one typing up essays cause they’re butthurt about being wrong

[god shammgod]

i will be rooting for atlanta this evening because f*ck miami. i know some of you hate trae but i've hated that miami franchise for decades and so i'll enjoy seeing them fail more.

[3toheadmelo]

i will be rooting for atlanta this evening because f*ck miami. i know some of you hate trae but i've hated that miami franchise for decades and so i'll enjoy seeing them fail more.

They are prob gonna get blown out though. Their roster outside of Trae is terrible and Jalen Johnson is out

[god shammgod]

i will be rooting for atlanta this evening because f*ck miami. i know some of you hate trae but i've hated that miami franchise for decades and so i'll enjoy seeing them fail more.

They are prob gonna get blown out though. Their roster outside of Trae is terrible and Jalen Johnson is out

you're right but anything can happen in 1 game

[HopelessKnick]

I even took a minute and explained that I’m not.

Yet you can’t stop mentioning me. I was minding my own business and you went on a whole rant crying about lavine and KD after the kings game. You do realize you’re the one who keeps starting this right?

I’ll keep an eye on it. It’s been a long season and I’ll take that blame and, if you allow, trace some of it back to your history of what I’d call flamboyant delivery. Given what I’ve read here, I don’t think I can stop disagreeing, but I can certainly commend you for LaVine’s resurgence. Regardless, it has nothing to do with any action this team should take going forward and in my opinion you have failed to present anything substantial other than unwarranted complaints about Towns and Mikal. That’s not even a shot at you, it’s just an observation. Either way, I wouldn’t have expected such an output from LaVine ever again. Yet he still makes twice of what Mikal Bridges earns, so the latter is and will realistically be the much better option for us given his defensive ability - which has been there despite all attempts at denial. Not much is wrong with Mikal Bridges. He’s been very good when Brunson missed a month and also before (plus/minus, mid range etc).

This team may not win a championship this year, but no team has ever grown to that level that quickly and there are no better alternatives to Towns. Start Mitch over Hart and trade Deuce for Kessler in the offseason. We are close. I’ll certainly take Giannis, but I don’t think you could seriously make plans like that. Durant is too old and soon won’t even look like an upgrade anymore. Stay the course and enjoy. Dude, enjoy. Have a successful day!

That's exactly where the divide comes from. Generally speaking, fans that are somewhat content and optimistic about the immediate future have the idea that we'll be able to improve the bench significantly. I think you are vastly overestimating our ability to meaningfully improve the bench. The Jazz would not, in a hundred years trade Kessler for Deuce. Probably not even Deuce + 2 FRPs for Kessler. Kessler exploded into a 12points/12rebounds defensive monster and is 22years old and 7feet tall. Deuce does not even hold half of Kessler's trade value. The Jazz were asking for 2 unprotected FRPs prior to Kesslers explosion this season.
If you are banking on these types of transactions then I can understand your patience and optimism because then in your mind we'll be rocking a nice starting 5 along with a 3-4 stout bench players next season or beyond. In reality we don't have anything of value outside our top 7 to trade. The WAS pick maybe. Almost any trade for a great bench player would have to involve one of the starters or Mitch (due to contracts). The trading of the Detroit pick and our own 2029/2031 picks is what has damaged our longterm position. We will certainly add someone in the offseason but you'll find out pretty soon that we have zero shot at someone like Kessler.

[spree2kawhi]

Yet you can’t stop mentioning me. I was minding my own business and you went on a whole rant crying about lavine and KD after the kings game. You do realize you’re the one who keeps starting this right?

I’ll keep an eye on it. It’s been a long season and I’ll take that blame and, if you allow, trace some of it back to your history of what I’d call flamboyant delivery. Given what I’ve read here, I don’t think I can stop disagreeing, but I can certainly commend you for LaVine’s resurgence. Regardless, it has nothing to do with any action this team should take going forward and in my opinion you have failed to present anything substantial other than unwarranted complaints about Towns and Mikal. That’s not even a shot at you, it’s just an observation. Either way, I wouldn’t have expected such an output from LaVine ever again. Yet he still makes twice of what Mikal Bridges earns, so the latter is and will realistically be the much better option for us given his defensive ability - which has been there despite all attempts at denial. Not much is wrong with Mikal Bridges. He’s been very good when Brunson missed a month and also before (plus/minus, mid range etc).

This team may not win a championship this year, but no team has ever grown to that level that quickly and there are no better alternatives to Towns. Start Mitch over Hart and trade Deuce for Kessler in the offseason. We are close. I’ll certainly take Giannis, but I don’t think you could seriously make plans like that. Durant is too old and soon won’t even look like an upgrade anymore. Stay the course and enjoy. Dude, enjoy. Have a successful day!

That's exactly where the divide comes from. Generally speaking, fans that are somewhat content and optimistic about the immediate future have the idea that we'll be able to improve the bench significantly. I think you are vastly overestimating our ability to meaningfully improve the bench. The Jazz would not, in a hundred years trade Kessler for Deuce. Probably not even Deuce + 2 FRPs for Kessler. Kessler exploded into a 12points/12rebounds defensive monster and is 22years old and 7feet tall. Deuce does not even hold half of Kessler's trade value. The Jazz were asking for 2 unprotected FRPs prior to Kesslers explosion this season.
If you are banking on these types of transactions then I can understand your patience and optimism because then in your mind we'll be rocking a nice starting 5 along with a 3-4 stout bench players next season or beyond. In reality we don't have anything of value outside our top 7 to trade. The WAS pick maybe. Almost any trade for a great bench player would have to involve one of the starters or Mitch (due to contracts). The trading of the Detroit pick and our own 2029/2031 picks is what has damaged our longterm position. We will certainly add someone in the offseason but you'll find out pretty soon that we have zero shot at someone like Kessler.

Kessler is not the only center out there. I also don’t cling to improving the bench, I think we’ll improve from within. This is already a very talented team. It’s not a wild concept.

[god shammgod]

Yet you can’t stop mentioning me. I was minding my own business and you went on a whole rant crying about lavine and KD after the kings game. You do realize you’re the one who keeps starting this right?

I’ll keep an eye on it. It’s been a long season and I’ll take that blame and, if you allow, trace some of it back to your history of what I’d call flamboyant delivery. Given what I’ve read here, I don’t think I can stop disagreeing, but I can certainly commend you for LaVine’s resurgence. Regardless, it has nothing to do with any action this team should take going forward and in my opinion you have failed to present anything substantial other than unwarranted complaints about Towns and Mikal. That’s not even a shot at you, it’s just an observation. Either way, I wouldn’t have expected such an output from LaVine ever again. Yet he still makes twice of what Mikal Bridges earns, so the latter is and will realistically be the much better option for us given his defensive ability - which has been there despite all attempts at denial. Not much is wrong with Mikal Bridges. He’s been very good when Brunson missed a month and also before (plus/minus, mid range etc).

This team may not win a championship this year, but no team has ever grown to that level that quickly and there are no better alternatives to Towns. Start Mitch over Hart and trade Deuce for Kessler in the offseason. We are close. I’ll certainly take Giannis, but I don’t think you could seriously make plans like that. Durant is too old and soon won’t even look like an upgrade anymore. Stay the course and enjoy. Dude, enjoy. Have a successful day!

That's exactly where the divide comes from. Generally speaking, fans that are somewhat content and optimistic about the immediate future have the idea that we'll be able to improve the bench significantly. I think you are vastly overestimating our ability to meaningfully improve the bench. The Jazz would not, in a hundred years trade Kessler for Deuce. Probably not even Deuce + 2 FRPs for Kessler. Kessler exploded into a 12points/12rebounds defensive monster and is 22years old and 7feet tall. Deuce does not even hold half of Kessler's trade value. The Jazz were asking for 2 unprotected FRPs prior to Kesslers explosion this season.
If you are banking on these types of transactions then I can understand your patience and optimism because then in your mind we'll be rocking a nice starting 5 along with a 3-4 stout bench players next season or beyond. In reality we don't have anything of value outside our top 7 to trade. The WAS pick maybe. Almost any trade for a great bench player would have to involve one of the starters or Mitch (due to contracts). The trading of the Detroit pick and our own 2029/2031 picks is what has damaged our longterm position. We will certainly add someone in the offseason but you'll find out pretty soon that we have zero shot at someone like Kessler.

yep. looking back now, the 2 picks for kessler would have been a good deal. and cheap for a few years which is important in the apron era. it's probably all we should have done this summer. it would have left us with enough assets and flexibility to possibly make the next move to actually improve the team. now we have no real assets, no wriggle room financially, no depth and we really didn't get much better if at all. you pretty much need some late 1sts, 2nd round picks to pan out to fill this roster out. and we won't have a 1st until summer 26. i think we do have 1 2nd from some other team this summer. good luck. lol

[Chanel Bomber]

We're not getting Kessler for Deuce in a million years.

Value for value perhaps we could get Kessler and Sexton for Mikal but I don't see any reason why Utah would be interested in Mikal considering where they are in the team building process.

Building depth will require a 1-for-2 type of deal. I don't expect any of our rookies to provide this added depth through internal development tbh.

Mikal and Hart are the most likely trade candidates but the size of their contracts makes it challenging to get more players in return.

[HopelessKnick]

We're not getting Kessler for Deuce in a million years.

Value for value perhaps we could get Kessler and Sexton for Mikal but I don't see any reason why Utah would be interested in Mikal considering where they are in the team building process.

Building depth will require a 1-for-2 type of deal. I don't expect any of our rookies to provide this added depth through internal development tbh.

Mikal and Hart are the most likely trade candidates but the size of their contracts makes it challenging to get more players in return.

Exactly---if you figure in the contract angle, the most rational possibility is KAT for 2 2-way players. One frontcourt guy able to get 18points along with good defense and another wing player or playmaker that can defend and put up 12 points or so.

I suggested in that other thread something along the lines of KAT for Turner/Nesmith type of package. Not saying Indy would do this or we would do this precise deal but something along those lines.....I think Hart and Mikal's contract are difficult to turn into 2 really solid good players...we'll probably run this back next season before making any significant changes..

[spree2kawhi]

We're not getting Kessler for Deuce in a million years.

Value for value perhaps we could get Kessler and Sexton for Mikal but I don't see any reason why Utah would be interested in Mikal considering where they are in the team building process.

Building depth will require a 1-for-2 type of deal. I don't expect any of our rookies to provide this added depth through internal development tbh.

Mikal and Hart are the most likely trade candidates but the size of their contracts makes it challenging to get more players in return.

Everything is just up in the air at this point. Once the dominoes start falling this summer, like a Gobert trade for example, teams develop needs e we currently cannot see and we might jump in and trade Mitch for DiVincenzo (and that’s not a 1 for 1 idea) or see what other teams are trying to do next. There are literally games today that may influence our ability to sell a team on Miles McBride or Tyler Kolek this summer. Teams need point guards. Y’all say we’re not getting Kessler, which may of course be right, but when I look at them, I see a team focusing more and more on Filipowski. And even if Kessler is out of reach, that’s not the end of the world as a healthy Mitch is pretty good anyway.

Ultimately and most importantly, parity is real, which calls for continuity in order to succeed. This team is now right there in terms of talent. I wouldn’t touch the core anymore and at the same time I also wouldn’t be worried about our ability to make solid moves in the future. We’re simply not in a bad position and I can enjoy that. I’m surprised by the level of anxiety around here.

[spree2kawhi]

We're not getting Kessler for Deuce in a million years.

Value for value perhaps we could get Kessler and Sexton for Mikal but I don't see any reason why Utah would be interested in Mikal considering where they are in the team building process.

Building depth will require a 1-for-2 type of deal. I don't expect any of our rookies to provide this added depth through internal development tbh.

Mikal and Hart are the most likely trade candidates but the size of their contracts makes it challenging to get more players in return.

Exactly---if you figure in the contract angle, the most rational possibility is KAT for 2 2-way players. One frontcourt guy able to get 18points along with good defense and another wing player or playmaker that can defend and put up 12 points or so.

I suggested in that other thread something along the lines of KAT for Turner/Nesmith type of package. Not saying Indy would do this or we would do this precise deal but something along those lines.....I think Hart and Mikal's contract are difficult to turn into 2 really solid good players...we'll probably run this back next season before making any significant changes..

Towns is the type of high-end talent you’d never be able to retrieve again. There was an opportunity and Rose seized it. He’s not merely on Randle’s or Sabonis’s or even Turner’s level, he just puts a lot more pressure on the opposition. You’re underrating this player and we already have two very solid two-way wings in place anyway. We need a mobile shot-blocker, that’s not an impossible task.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

And where did I say trading for lavine would make us win a championship? All I said was that he is better than Mikal. Lmao.

Better at what? Making his teams miss the playoffs.

[god shammgod]

i was listening to simmons latest podcast and he basically said the rumor is giannis wants to come to new york (for business purposes). but because we don't have picks to trade with kat for him, he'll probably end up in brooklyn. so the mikal trade cost us the picks to trade for giannis and now brooklyn will be able to get him with our picks. way to go leon. and you morons co-signed all of this. i'm really sick of being nice to you dumb motherf*ckers. and yes, this is me being nice.

i'm gonna support the team for the playoffs but after that it's f*ck y'all

[sol537]

i was listening to simmons latest podcast and he basically said the rumor is giannis wants to come to new york (for business purposes). but because we don't have picks to trade with kat for him, he'll probably end up in brooklyn. so the mikal trade cost us the picks to trade for giannis and now brooklyn will be able to get him with our picks. way to go leon. and you morons co-signed all of this. i'm really sick of being nice to you dumb motherf*ckers. and yes, this is me being nice.

i'm gonna support the team for the playoffs but after that it's f*ck y'all

What if it's KAT + Mikal for Giannis + Portis... MIL runs it with KAT, Mikal and Dame for 1-2 seasons and then cashes out on all three players for a full rebuild... recouping a ton of 1st rounders while being competitive for 1-2 seasons post-Giannis.

Remember... they'd want to do right by Giannis and Giannis probably wouldn't want a rebuilding situation like the Nets. We've got a legit shot.

[3toheadmelo]

And where did I say trading for lavine would make us win a championship? All I said was that he is better than Mikal. Lmao.

Better at what? Making his teams miss the playoffs.

If your team’s best player is Sabonis, of course you would miss the playoffs

And mikalikina missed the playoffs last year.

Anyways go look what sham just posted. Mikal just cost us Giannis. This deal just keeps getting worse

[god shammgod]

i was listening to simmons latest podcast and he basically said the rumor is giannis wants to come to new york (for business purposes). but because we don't have picks to trade with kat for him, he'll probably end up in brooklyn. so the mikal trade cost us the picks to trade for giannis and now brooklyn will be able to get him with our picks. way to go leon. and you morons co-signed all of this. i'm really sick of being nice to you dumb motherf*ckers. and yes, this is me being nice.

i'm gonna support the team for the playoffs but after that it's f*ck y'all

What if it's KAT + Mikal for Giannis + Portis... MIL runs it with KAT, Mikal and Dame for 1-2 seasons and then cashes out on all three players for a full rebuild... recouping a ton of 1st rounders while being competitive for 1-2 seasons post-Giannis.

Remember... they'd want to do right by Giannis and Giannis probably wouldn't want a rebuilding situation like the Nets. We've got a legit shot.

what does that group do for them ? they're totally pick barren. dame is old and not the same player anymore. lopez is old and expiring. i think if giannis is out they'll want picks back because they know they're rebuilding and they'll need them. they'll turn around and try to trade dame too and accept their fate.

as far as brooklyn, it depends how much being in the new york area for business is important to him. simmons made it seem like he just wanted to be in the area. maybe they can get someone else for him to play with there. i remember when it seemed sure kd would pick us too.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

And where did I say trading for lavine would make us win a championship? All I said was that he is better than Mikal. Lmao.

Better at what? Making his teams miss the playoffs.

If your team’s best player is Sabonis, of course you would miss the playoffs

And mikalikina missed the playoffs last year.

Anyways go look what sham just posted. Mikal just cost us Giannis. This deal just keeps getting worse

Sorry beloved, the Sabonis deflection will not work with me, he sucks but LaVine is a succubus to winning basketball. Bulls had a losing record with LaVine and a winning record after they traded him, the Kings had a winning record without LaVine and a losing one once they got him.

You want to compare Mikal and LaVine playoff net ratings? We can pick one of Mikals worst playoffs runs to put against the only playoff run that LaVine has been in to make it fair

[3toheadmelo]

Better at what? Making his teams miss the playoffs.

If your team’s best player is Sabonis, of course you would miss the playoffs

And mikalikina missed the playoffs last year.

Anyways go look what sham just posted. Mikal just cost us Giannis. This deal just keeps getting worse

Sorry beloved, the Sabonis deflection will not work with me, he sucks but LaVine is a succubus to winning basketball. Bulls had a losing record with LaVine and a winning record after they traded him, the Kings had a winning record without LaVine and a losing one once they got him.

You want to compare Mikal and LaVine playoff net ratings? We can pick one of Mikals worst playoffs runs to put against the only playoff run that LaVine has been in to make it fair