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[Fury]

Dean is like 6'4. I think he's taller than Reigns. In what sense does he not have the look?

[Butch718]

I think you're missing that Rock and SCSA LOOKED the part - miles more than Dean does. Looks obviously aren't the end all and be all, but to simply ignore them out of hand isn't what people do off the internet.

Rollins actually has grown quite a lot - especially if you go back to his Tyler Black days. People didn't think he could talk at all. He's obviously got a ways to go, but his improvement there has been dramatic. And he's great in the ring - it's not surprising that Brian Danielson was a mentor of his.

All 3 of them are doing great. As far as being able to one of the top 2 or 3 guys in the company, Reins is the one who's got the best shot - easily. But you gotta give him some time.

I'm pretty sure if Dean wrestled without a shirt and in trunks, his body would look similar to SCSA and the Rock when they first started gaining massive popularity during the late 90's. People forget that the Rock didn't look anywhere near as muscular as he does today. Him and SCSA had mass, but they weren't big body builder types around 97-99. I mean this is the debate right? That Dean doesn't have the prototype body? Well neither did those two when they became main eventers from 97-99.

People just want to get behind a guy that they can root for and get behind. And like I said before, Ambrose is connecting with the fans. Hell, I only started becoming a casual follower (due to DB's story line) after a long hiatus of not watching for over 10 years. But now I find myself tuning in just to watch Ambrose/Rollins, the same way I did back when I used to watch the Rock, SCSA, Foley, HHH back during the AE.

And Reigns only has the best shot because management is grooming him for the role. But if you look at the overall package, Rollins and Seth are so far ahead of Reigns right now. Both are better in ring performers, better on the mic, and can play their respective parts extremely well. Seth is easily growing into one of the best heels, while Ambrose has taken on the role(with DB out) of one of the top faces.

I mean I guess I'm a huge cynic when it comes to Reigns. I know you said that he needs time, but to me he just doesn't have "it" to me. I get so bored when I watch him.

[Bill Pidto]

Dean is like 6'4. I think he's taller than Reigns. In what sense does he not have the look?

Thanks.. beat me to it. I think Dean has an awesome look. It's perfectly fitting for his character, and his character is awesome too.

He's been a favorite of mine and my friends' since he debuted with the Shield, and he is hands down my favorite now. I would throw it back to pre-network days and pay $49.99 next April just to see him win the title at Wrestlemania. There's no way anyone can convince me that he can't be a top draw at the rate he's going.

[Ruzious]

I think you're missing that Rock and SCSA LOOKED the part - miles more than Dean does. Looks obviously aren't the end all and be all, but to simply ignore them out of hand isn't what people do off the internet.

Rollins actually has grown quite a lot - especially if you go back to his Tyler Black days. People didn't think he could talk at all. He's obviously got a ways to go, but his improvement there has been dramatic. And he's great in the ring - it's not surprising that Brian Danielson was a mentor of his.

All 3 of them are doing great. As far as being able to one of the top 2 or 3 guys in the company, Reins is the one who's got the best shot - easily. But you gotta give him some time.

I'm pretty sure if Dean wrestled without a shirt and in trunks, his body would look similar to SCSA and the Rock when they first started gaining massive popularity during the late 90's. People forget that the Rock didn't look anywhere near as muscular as he does today. Him and SCSA had mass, but they weren't big body builder types around 97-99. I mean this is the debate right? That Dean doesn't have the prototype body? Well neither did those two when they became main eventers from 97-99.

People just want to get behind a guy that they can root for and get behind. And like I said before, Ambrose is connecting with the fans. Hell, I only started becoming a casual follower (due to DB's story line) after a long hiatus of not watching for over 10 years. But now I find myself tuning in just to watch Ambrose/Rollins, the same way I did back when I used to watch the Rock, SCSA, Foley, HHH back during the AE.

And Reigns only has the best shot because management is grooming him for the role. But if you look at the overall package, Rollins and Seth are so far ahead of Reigns right now. Both are better in ring performers, better on the mic, and can play their respective parts extremely well. Seth is easily growing into one of the best heels, while Ambrose has taken on the role(with DB out) of one of the top faces.

I mean I guess I'm a huge cynic when it comes to Reigns. I know you said that he needs time, but to me he just doesn't have "it" to me. I get so bored when I watch him.

Sorry, but I followed Steve Austin and Rock before they came to the WWE, and they clearly had the look a long time before they got their shot. I used to watch Austin when he was with Global Wrestling or World Class in Texas - he had a great feud with Gentleman Chris Adams. Back then, he had shoulder length long blond hair and was absolutely ripped - there was no doubt that he had what it took. He looked better then than he did in WCW. And I saw Rock at USWA with a goofy name and terrible character - and it was still more than clear he had the goods. Both of them looked like Hollywood leading men before the WWE signed them.

Saying Dean is 6'4 is like when Dean Malenko was listed at 5'10 (really 5'6 at most) and Chris Benoit was 6' (5'9 in padded boots). Dean looks like a regular guy. This is kinda silly, because I compared Dean to Roddy Piper before he ever showed up in the WWE. He's a really good talent. He's just not a guy who's going to be a top 2 or 3 in the company guy. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Trav_NYK]

I think you're missing that Rock and SCSA LOOKED the part - miles more than Dean does. Looks obviously aren't the end all and be all, but to simply ignore them out of hand isn't what people do off the internet.

Rollins actually has grown quite a lot - especially if you go back to his Tyler Black days. People didn't think he could talk at all. He's obviously got a ways to go, but his improvement there has been dramatic. And he's great in the ring - it's not surprising that Brian Danielson was a mentor of his.

All 3 of them are doing great. As far as being able to one of the top 2 or 3 guys in the company, Reins is the one who's got the best shot - easily. But you gotta give him some time.

I'm pretty sure if Dean wrestled without a shirt and in trunks, his body would look similar to SCSA and the Rock when they first started gaining massive popularity during the late 90's. People forget that the Rock didn't look anywhere near as muscular as he does today. Him and SCSA had mass, but they weren't big body builder types around 97-99. I mean this is the debate right? That Dean doesn't have the prototype body? Well neither did those two when they became main eventers from 97-99.

People just want to get behind a guy that they can root for and get behind. And like I said before, Ambrose is connecting with the fans. Hell, I only started becoming a casual follower (due to DB's story line) after a long hiatus of not watching for over 10 years. But now I find myself tuning in just to watch Ambrose/Rollins, the same way I did back when I used to watch the Rock, SCSA, Foley, HHH back during the AE.

And Reigns only has the best shot because management is grooming him for the role. But if you look at the overall package, Rollins and Seth are so far ahead of Reigns right now. Both are better in ring performers, better on the mic, and can play their respective parts extremely well. Seth is easily growing into one of the best heels, while Ambrose has taken on the role(with DB out) of one of the top faces.

I mean I guess I'm a huge cynic when it comes to Reigns. I know you said that he needs time, but to me he just doesn't have "it" to me. I get so bored when I watch him.

Sorry, but I followed Steve Austin and Rock before they came to the WWE, and they clearly had the look a long time before they got their shot. I used to watch Austin when he was with Global Wrestling or World Class in Texas - he had a great feud with Gentleman Chris Adams. Back then, he had shoulder length long blond hair and was absolutely ripped - there was no doubt that he had what it took. He looked better then than he did in WCW. And I saw Rock at USWA with a goofy name and terrible character - and it was still more than clear he had the goods. Both of them looked like Hollywood leading men before the WWE signed them.

Saying Dean is 6'4 is like when Dean Malenko was listed at 5'10 (really 5'6 at most) and Chris Benoit was 6' (5'9 in padded boots). Dean looks like a regular guy. This is kinda silly, because I compared Dean to Roddy Piper before he ever showed up in the WWE. He's a really good talent. He's just not a guy who's going to be a top 2 or 3 in the company guy. There's nothing wrong with that.

I have to disagree on this one; because if you really look at who has the prototype body to be a star in the WWE it is not Reigns. If you take off his vest that he wears he is just a big body, has no definition like the "prototype" susperstar has. If you really compared all the shield members you will notice that they are all around the same size and that Rollins and Ambrose actually have more defined muscles than Reigns. I think that people just assume that Reigns has the better body because he was the enforcer on the Shield, but I think if you really got the chance to compare them side by side you wouldn't see a big difference.

[Meat]

I think you're missing that Rock and SCSA LOOKED the part - miles more than Dean does. Looks obviously aren't the end all and be all, but to simply ignore them out of hand isn't what people do off the internet.

Rollins actually has grown quite a lot - especially if you go back to his Tyler Black days. People didn't think he could talk at all. He's obviously got a ways to go, but his improvement there has been dramatic. And he's great in the ring - it's not surprising that Brian Danielson was a mentor of his.

All 3 of them are doing great. As far as being able to one of the top 2 or 3 guys in the company, Reins is the one who's got the best shot - easily. But you gotta give him some time.

I'm pretty sure if Dean wrestled without a shirt and in trunks, his body would look similar to SCSA and the Rock when they first started gaining massive popularity during the late 90's. People forget that the Rock didn't look anywhere near as muscular as he does today. Him and SCSA had mass, but they weren't big body builder types around 97-99. I mean this is the debate right? That Dean doesn't have the prototype body? Well neither did those two when they became main eventers from 97-99.

People just want to get behind a guy that they can root for and get behind. And like I said before, Ambrose is connecting with the fans. Hell, I only started becoming a casual follower (due to DB's story line) after a long hiatus of not watching for over 10 years. But now I find myself tuning in just to watch Ambrose/Rollins, the same way I did back when I used to watch the Rock, SCSA, Foley, HHH back during the AE.

And Reigns only has the best shot because management is grooming him for the role. But if you look at the overall package, Rollins and Seth are so far ahead of Reigns right now. Both are better in ring performers, better on the mic, and can play their respective parts extremely well. Seth is easily growing into one of the best heels, while Ambrose has taken on the role(with DB out) of one of the top faces.

I mean I guess I'm a huge cynic when it comes to Reigns. I know you said that he needs time, but to me he just doesn't have "it" to me. I get so bored when I watch him.

Sorry, but I followed Steve Austin and Rock before they came to the WWE, and they clearly had the look a long time before they got their shot. I used to watch Austin when he was with Global Wrestling or World Class in Texas - he had a great feud with Gentleman Chris Adams. Back then, he had shoulder length long blond hair and was absolutely ripped - there was no doubt that he had what it took. He looked better then than he did in WCW. And I saw Rock at USWA with a goofy name and terrible character - and it was still more than clear he had the goods. Both of them looked like Hollywood leading men before the WWE signed them.

Saying Dean is 6'4 is like when Dean Malenko was listed at 5'10 (really 5'6 at most) and Chris Benoit was 6' (5'9 in padded boots). Dean looks like a regular guy. This is kinda silly, because I compared Dean to Roddy Piper before he ever showed up in the WWE. He's a really good talent. He's just not a guy who's going to be a top 2 or 3 in the company guy. There's nothing wrong with that.

good ole stunning steve.. the look alright

[Meat]

Damn I wish HBK and Flair were back in their primes

And Cena sounds like the same doofus he always was

hbk is in back his prime, his name is Seth Rollins

[IMAN5]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

[Ruzious]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

Pro wrestling is about standing out from the crowd. I'm a big Rollins fan, but there are a ton of guys who can look like him and Dean. There are very few who can look like Reins. Maybe Reins can do a better job of working on his body, but he's got a far better frame for pro rasslin than both Seth and Dean. You gotta think long-term; not just how they are right now.

[IMAN5]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

Pro wrestling is about standing out from the crowd. I'm a big Rollins fan, but there are a ton of guys who can look like him and Dean. There are very few who can look like Reins. Maybe Reins can do a better job of working on his body, but he's got a far better frame for pro rasslin than both Seth and Dean.

All 3 of them have a great look and I personally am a bigger fan of Rollins out of the 3.

Rollins has the streaks in his hair, the perfect body build for a guy his size, and I think his hair a has a great look. He can either have it long ot tied back.

Also not many wrestlers can pull off looking good in a flashy all black suit with black dress shirt, and then wear the spandex attire (not a fan of this attire btw but he's doing his best job selling it). One second he looks like he's part of evolution with a suit, the next second he looks like a Hardy boy. He has a diverse look.

[Meat]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

Pro wrestling is about standing out from the crowd. I'm a big Rollins fan, but there are a ton of guys who can look like him and Dean. There are very few who can look like Reins. Maybe Reins can do a better job of working on his body, but he's got a far better frame for pro rasslin than both Seth and Dean.

pro wrestling was* about standing out from the crowd. after enough lawsuits, dead wrestlers, failed election bids, and court visits they are moving away from the overt roid monsters.

[jonny31623]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

Pro wrestling is about standing out from the crowd. I'm a big Rollins fan, but there are a ton of guys who can look like him and Dean. There are very few who can look like Reins. Maybe Reins can do a better job of working on his body, but he's got a far better frame for pro rasslin than both Seth and Dean. You gotta think long-term; not just how they are right now.

ehh, i dont think its the wrestler itself that propels him to greatness at this point. when a company pushes someone to the top, you cant help but pay attention because they are pushing him down your throat. what they are missing is a good storyline to put them over the top. DB storyline was good enough to get alot of people interested. the vince/austin storyline was #1. also ministry of darkness/stephanie storyline built for a long time and always had my interest every week. the undertaker kane storyline built for a while and had my interest. thats how kane because a household wrestling name. Rock vs Farooq in nation of domination was a cool kind of storyline that brought the rock over the top.

the wwe just doesnt have the same storylines anymore. thats what really brings the audience in. when they figure out a storyline that becomes interesting, and you mix that with wrestling, thats when you will tune in each week. when hogan turned bad, even though you hated him, you absolutely watched nitro the next night to see wat the hell he was going to say. and even though austin turning heel didnt work so well, i remember watching wrestlemania and him turning to heel and shaking vinces hand. i couldnt wait till raw the next night, i was hoping soooo bad that he would stunner vince and become face again but he didnt. those are the moments as fans we look forward too. without great storylines, there is no entertainment. the wrestling will always be there but the coming back and watching it live every week will die out if there is no storyline.

[Ruzious]

If we are talking about prototype bodies Seth and Dean have a much better look than Reigns. Seth is ripped and an absolute athletic freak. Some of the training they showed him doing for that documentary showed me why he is going to be one of the best wrestlers for the next few years. His work ethic is there, and he's working on being athletic and agile instead of just pumping iron like Cena and getting as big as possible.

I agree with a statement above, Reigns without the vest is just a big body. I'm starting to notice that vest is starting to look a bit tighter and tighter on Reigns, he would benefit from maybe shedding 10 or so pounds to be quicker and leaner.

Pro wrestling is about standing out from the crowd. I'm a big Rollins fan, but there are a ton of guys who can look like him and Dean. There are very few who can look like Reins. Maybe Reins can do a better job of working on his body, but he's got a far better frame for pro rasslin than both Seth and Dean.

pro wrestling was* about standing out from the crowd. after enough lawsuits, dead wrestlers, failed election bids, and court visits they are moving away from the overt roid monsters.

I agree that it's evolving and not about being cartoonish like it used to be, but it's still important to stand out and look like a star.

[IMAN5]

a little off topic here, but i have been watching wwe network, and i really liked john cena when he was going against the rock. i really think cena can be a good heel. monday night war was pretty good, when is the next episode? what time today?

its on right now actually. pretty cool, apparently sting was suppose to be in NWO instead of hogan, until hogan decided to do it. that wouldve been crazy.

I was happy when Sting didn't join and went crazy when he joined Wolfpac instead.

[frogfood]

Dean is like 6'4. I think he's taller than Reigns. In what sense does he not have the look?

ugly face

[jonny31623]

a little off topic here, but i have been watching wwe network, and i really liked john cena when he was going against the rock. i really think cena can be a good heel. monday night war was pretty good, when is the next episode? what time today?

its on right now actually. pretty cool, apparently sting was suppose to be in NWO instead of hogan, until hogan decided to do it. that wouldve been crazy.

I was happy when Sting didn't join and went crazy when he joined Wolfpac instead.

yea the whole wolfpac inside of nwo was sick. red and black or something right? i remember that.

[IMAN5]

its on right now actually. pretty cool, apparently sting was suppose to be in NWO instead of hogan, until hogan decided to do it. that wouldve been crazy.

I was happy when Sting didn't join and went crazy when he joined Wolfpac instead.

yea the whole wolfpac inside of nwo was sick. red and black or something right? i remember that.

yup red and black. and then WCW screwed over goldberg and had him lose his title to Nash by getting tasered.

then he lost his title to hogan by getting poked and lying down. This then lead to both NWO's uniting together.

As a kid I remember being so annoyed with this bs I stopped watching WCW and watched only WWF.

If you look at the documenatries and tv ratings, this exact moment is one of the biggest factors that lead to the death of WCW. It was such a terribly written storyline that it killed a wrestling company. Crazy right? WCW was on absolute fire, and WWF attitude Era is what won them the war along with this mishap.

[jonny31623]

I was happy when Sting didn't join and went crazy when he joined Wolfpac instead.

yea the whole wolfpac inside of nwo was sick. red and black or something right? i remember that.

yup red and black. and then WCW screwed over goldberg and had him lose his title to Nash by getting tasered.

then he lost his title to hogan by getting poked and lying down. This then lead to both NWO's uniting together.

As a kid I remember being so annoyed with this bs I stopped watching WCW and watched only WWF.

If you look at the documenatries and tv ratings, this exact moment is one of the biggest factors that lead to the death of WCW. It was such a terribly written storyline that it killed a wrestling company. Crazy right? WCW was on absolute fire, and WWF attitude Era is what won them the war along with this mishap.

yea i remember. it was pretty cool when wwf bought wcw over. and the whole invasion storyline came out.

one of my top 3 austin moments was this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhuHgCGhQ[/youtube]

man JR was awesome hyping guys up. when austin was walking down to the ring. i swear i get goosebumps everytime.

dam i loved wwf back in the day......

[IMAN5]

yea the whole wolfpac inside of nwo was sick. red and black or something right? i remember that.

yup red and black. and then WCW screwed over goldberg and had him lose his title to Nash by getting tasered.

then he lost his title to hogan by getting poked and lying down. This then lead to both NWO's uniting together.

As a kid I remember being so annoyed with this bs I stopped watching WCW and watched only WWF.

If you look at the documenatries and tv ratings, this exact moment is one of the biggest factors that lead to the death of WCW. It was such a terribly written storyline that it killed a wrestling company. Crazy right? WCW was on absolute fire, and WWF attitude Era is what won them the war along with this mishap.

yea i remember. it was pretty cool when wwf bought wcw over. and the whole invasion storyline came out.

one of my top 3 austin moments was this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhuHgCGhQ[/youtube]

man JR was awesome hyping guys up. when austin was walking down to the ring. i swear i get goosebumps everytime.

dam i loved wwf back in the day......

yeah that moment was absolutely epic. I can't remember why but the storyline was that Austin was depressed and drinking at a bar. The rest of the WWF guys all met in a room and a hall of famer (who passed away later that year) who was in really rough shape and in a wheel chair stood up and told them they needed to take a stand. Man I know that's a storyline, but that's insanely emotional and real.

Then the all out war happened in the ring, backstage, everywhere. then Austin comes in and saves the day.

...only to turn on the WWF at the ppv match.

[IMAN5]

just rewatched the 5 on 5 Team WWF vs Team Alliance survivor series match. What an epic PPV match.

Can someone explain why Jericho hit his finisher on the rock at the end? Was that ever explained?