MeloDrama Part V

Post #1901 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:32 pm

Melo is preparing for #TraderPhil

No man is safe

dreamer3kx · Post #1902 » by **dreamer3kx** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:36 pm

So he wants a no trade and super MAX, peace, let him go, rather see young players grow and rebuild then to sign this dude.

Post #1903 » by **j4remi** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:37 pm

At the point where you're giving him the Kobe max, I can't see a no-trade clause being the deal breaker. That said, it's a bit of an odd demand if true and I'd HOPE that maybe it'd be part of a bigger compromise...as in Melo will take less than the super max but wants a no trade clause to protect his sacrifice.

liknicks7 · Post #1904 » by **liknicks7** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:38 pm

dreamer3kx wrote:So he wants a no trade and super MAX, peace, let him go, rather see young players grow and rebuild then to sign this dude.

There's a team in Philadelphia doing that. They're probably real fun to follow.

kosmovitelli · Post #1905 » by **kosmovitelli** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:39 pm

j4remi wrote:SAS said NY is the front runner, Melo wants a no-trade clause in the contract.

Mentioned Philly as an option to take an Amare/Shump trade for a salary dump.

Mentioned if Bosh opts out, Miami is a possibility. Mentioned Houston, Dallas, LA as still in the mix. Ended it with a "but the Melo I know loves his money."

A no-trade clause can be included in a contract only if the player has already played 8 seasons in the NBA and at least 4 seasons for the team he's signing with. Melo was traded to the Knicks in february 2011 so he played 4 seasons with the Knicks. He can have a no-trade clause but I wouldn't give it to him. He's going too far. A max contract is enough !

If he accepts a reasonable contract (less than $100 mil, approx $20 mil per season) then you may consider offering a no trade clause.

If I was the GM, even if he took less money, I wouldn't include a no-trade clause in the contract. Only Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki have a no-trade clause and all these players received one because they played for the same team their entire career. It's different for KG as he also played for Boston and Brooklyn but he got his no-trade clause when he was playing for Minny.

The only positive about giving a no-trade clause to Melo would be the fact Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki all won a championship...soo maybe it means we'll win one with Melo ! LOL

Post #1906 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:39 pm

j4remi wrote:At the point where you're giving him the Kobe max, I can't see a no-trade clause being the deal breaker. That said, it's a bit of an odd demand if true and I'd HOPE that maybe it'd be part of a bigger compromise...as in Melo will take less than the super max but wants a no trade clause to protect his sacrifice.

Agreed, I still think Melo will take a little less to free up some space. I know a couple million next year doesn't sound like a lot. And it may not be. But just the fact that taking less will make his image look a million times better he should do it. What really is the difference between 110 guaranteed million and 129? Its both a ton of money and still about 15 more guaranteed million more than any other team can offer him.

Post #1907 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:40 pm

Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that big a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

BallSacBounce · Post #1908 » by **BallSacBounce** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:41 pm

liknicks7 wrote:
Trav_NYK wrote:i don't get why everyone is going crazy over a no-trade clause, I think he deserves one.

If Melo doesnt deserve one then literally noone in the NBA besides Lebron (maybe KD) deserves one. So yea, I agree, he deserves one especially if he's just going to have a leap of faith in Phil, given he's rejoining a roster of overpaid misfits with plenty of moves needing to be made to be a contender.

Then the Knicks deserve an opt out clause after year three. We have to see if he stays healthy.

Rasho Brezec · Post #1909 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:42 pm

moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that bid a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

They have one because they deserve it for being loyal to their teams and taking less money as they got older. Carmelo hasn't done **** as a Knick.

Post #1910 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:43 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that bid a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

They have one because they deserve it for being loyal to their teams and taking less money as they got older. Carmelo hasn't done **** as a Knick.

And the big deal is again?

LJ4pointplay · Post #1911 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:43 pm

According to Coon's FAQ, no trade clauses are only allowed if the player played for the team for four seasons. Melo has played for us for three full seasons, and one partial season. I am unsure whether the four seasons means four full seasons and I am unable to look through the language in the actual CBA right now. Maybe someone else will feel so inclined though.

Post #1912 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:44 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that bid a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

They have one because they deserve it for being loyal to their teams and taking less money as they got older. Carmelo hasn't done **** as a Knick.

maybe he is taking less and just protecting himself.

stories have been coming out left and right over the past week and there have been probably zero truth to 99% of them. So lets just see how this plays out before we assume anything.

Post #1913 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:44 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:According to Coon's FAQ, no trade clauses are only allowed if the player played for the team for four seasons. Melo has played for us for three full seasons, and one partial season. I am unsure whether the four seasons means four full seasons and I am unable to look through the language in the actual CBA right now. Maybe someone else will feel so inclined though.

Yes, 3+ season equates to 4 seasons. Same way if a player played just 2.5 years with a team that team would still gain his Bird Rights (which is activates in year 3).

MaseInYourFace · Post #1914 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:45 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
j4remi wrote:At the point where you're giving him the Kobe max, I can't see a no-trade clause being the deal breaker. That said, it's a bit of an odd demand if true and I'd HOPE that maybe it'd be part of a bigger compromise...as in Melo will take less than the super max but wants a no trade clause to protect his sacrifice.

Agreed, I still think Melo will take a little less to free up some space. I know a couple million next year doesn't sound like a lot. And it may not be. But just the fact that taking less will make his image look a million times better he should do it. What really is the difference between 110 guaranteed million and 129? Its both a ton of money and still about 15 more guaranteed million more than any other team can offer him.

That's what I am hoping he does but I am not sure at this point if that is likely to happen...

Post #1915 » by **j4remi** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:45 pm

moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that big a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

Essentially, the no trade clause seems to be a sign of loyalty from franchise to player more than anything. It's an offer of security Melo can promise to his family, "we're not going anywhere" which would fit right in with his previous statements about not wanting to force his family to move and start over, make new friends, etc.

It'd essentially make Melo, not just a franchise player but THE franchise player for this Knicks team in the P-Jax era.

Post #1916 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:46 pm

I don't blame Melo for asking for the no trade clause.

He knows Phil would. :lol:

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cgmw · Post #1917 » by **cgmw** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:46 pm

moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that big a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

Look, I'm not mad at Melo for asking. But this is a terrible argument. You just named three players with a combined 8 titles and probably 4 more years (combined) left in the league.

Melo demanding a no trade is a different animal altogether. Can't blame him for asking, but it puts NY in a real bind.

Dbloc123 · Post #1918 » by **Dbloc123** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:46 pm

Didnt Garnett have a NO Trade clause in Minny and Bos?

Post #1919 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:47 pm

j4remi wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Just an FYI...other guys with no trade clauses in their contracts include Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowiztki...aka the "Boyscouts" of the NBA (according to many of you sour pusses). Now why would these boyscouts have a need for a no trade clause since their teams are most definitely not ever going to trade them? Maybe because it's their right to have one and it's not that big a deal? Kobe Bryant is other guy with a no trade clause aside from Duncan, Nowitzki and Garnett.

Essentially, the no trade clause seems to be a sign of loyalty from franchise to player more than anything. It's an offer of security Melo can promise to his family, "we're not going anywhere" which would fit right in with his previous statements about not wanting to force his family to move and start over, make new friends, etc.

It'd essentially make Melo, not just a franchise player but THE franchise player for this Knicks team in the P-Jax era.

Pretty much.

kosmovitelli · Post #1920 » by **kosmovitelli** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 1:47 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:According to Coon's FAQ, no trade clauses are only allowed if the player played for the team for four seasons. Melo has played for us for three full seasons, and one partial season. I am unsure whether the four seasons means four full seasons and I am unable to look through the language in the actual CBA right now. Maybe someone else will feel so inclined though.

Already answered. He can have a no-trade clause.

There's no partial season in the NBA. One single day on the active list automaticaly gives the player one year of service.

We're talking about seasons but the CBA language is "years of service".