Official Yankees Thread II (Alex Cora & AJ Hinch fired)

[moocow007]

If Happ is still here I would have him as the 5th starter to start the year and have Montgomery start in AAA for about a month, so he can be stretched out and less pressure on him to get back into form being a full year removed from TJ surgery.

Here are the free agent starting pitchers. How can see who is still left on the board. Bring back Jason Vargas. Newsday will be thrilled.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-mlb-free-agents-by-position

Starting pitchers

Gerrit Cole (29 years old, 7.4 WAR) -- signed 9-year deal with NYY (12/18)
Stephen Strasburg (31, 5.7) -- signed 7-year deal with WSH (12/9)
Hyun-Jin Ryu (33, 4.8) -- signed 4-year deal with TOR (12/27)
Zack Wheeler (30, 4.7) -- signed 5-year deal with PHI (12/9)
Jake Odorizzi (30, 4.3) -- accepted qualifying offer from MIN (11/14)
Madison Bumgarner (30, 3.2) -- signed 5-year deal with ARI (12/17)
Homer Bailey (34, 2.9) -- signed 1-year deal with MIN (12/31)
Michael Pineda (30, 2.7) -- signed 2-year deal with MIN (12/10)
Kyle Gibson (32, 2.5) -- signed 3-year deal with TEX (12/6)
Cole Hamels (36, 2.5) -- signed 1-year deal with ATL (12/4)
Adam Wainwright (38, 2.2) -- signed 1-year deal with STL (11/12)
Tanner Roark (33, 2.0) -- signed 2-year deal with TOR (12/18)
Wade Miley (33, 2.0) -- signed 2-year deal with CIN (12/18)
Brett Anderson (32, 2.0) -- signed 1-year deal with MIL (12/13)
Iván Nova (33, 2.0)
Martín Pérez (29, 1.9) -- signed 1-year deal with BOS (12/19)
Andrew Cashner (33, 1.8)
Jason Vargas (37, 1.8)
Rick Porcello (31, 1.8) -- signed 1-year deal with NYM (12/16)
Kevin Gausman (29, 1.6) -- signed 1-year deal with SF (12/10)
Julio Teheran (29, 1.6) -- signed 1-year deal with LAA (12/21)
Jordan Lyles (29, 1.6) -- signed 2-year deal with TEX (12/13)
Gio Gonzalez (34, 1.4) -- signed 1-year deal with CWS (12/20)
Rich Hill (40, 0.9) -- signed 1-year deal with MIN (12/31)
Aaron Sanchez (27, 0.8)
Dallas Keuchel (32, 0.8) -- signed 3-year deal with CWS (12/30)
Matt Moore (31, 0.5) -- signed with NPB team (12/26)
Pedro Avila (23, 0.2)
Clay Buchholz (35, 0.1)
Tyson Ross (33, 0.0)
Félix Hernández (34, -0.1)
Jhoulys Chacín (32, -0.1)
Jeremy Hellickson (33, -0.1)
Odrisamer Despaigne (33, -0.1) -- signed with KBO team (11/10)
Michael Wacha (28, -0.2) -- signed 1-year deal with NYM (12/13)
Alex Wood (29, -0.2)
Edinson Vólquez (36, -0.2) -- signed Minors deal with TEX (12/19)
Marco Estrada (36, -0.2)
Shelby Miller (29, -0.2)
Clayton Richard (36, -0.2)
Tyler Anderson (30, -0.3) -- signed 1-year deal with SF (12/3)
Drew Smyly (29, -0.3)
Wade LeBlanc (35, -0.3)
Matt Harvey (31, -0.3)
Héctor Noesi (33, -0.3) -- signed Minors deal with PIT (12/17)
Kohl Stewart (25, -0.3) -- signed 1-year deal with BAL (12/29)
Ervin Santana (37, -0.4)
Ross Detwiler (34, -0.6)
Trevor Cahill (32, -0.8)
Edwin Jackson (36, -1.1)
Kendall Graveman (29, N/A) -- signed 1-year deal with SEA (11/26)
Kwang Hyun Kim (31, N/A) -- signed 2-year deal with STL (12/17)
Josh Lindblom (33, N/A) -- signed 3-year deal with MIL (12/16)
Shun Yamaguchi (32, N/A) -- signed 2-year deal with TOR (12/27)

Best 2 pitchers remaining are former Yankee Ivan Nova and former Red Sox Andrew Cashner.

Nova is the better bet of course as he's familiar with pitching in NY and can eat up innings at the back of the rotation (averaged a little over 6.1 innings per start last season). Doubt Nova can be had for a minor league contract however (which is kinda what the Yankees need since they otherwise would have to open up another roster spot). Cashner might be had for a minor league contract but he was brutal with the Red Sox last season so not sure that he'll have the stomach for pitching in NY.

The rest of the guys on this list either just suck terribly or have been injury riddled in recent years making them not really all that desirable IMO. They could try and see if Matt Blake can do anything with Matt Harvey (that no other pitching coach has in the last 4 years)? A minor league contract on Harvey may not be a bad risk. Harvey's fastball isn't 98mph anymore but it's still in the 94mph range. Maybe Blake can squeeze another mile or two out and/or work on getting better spin rate on it to help his secondary pitches which are not as bad as his fastball has become in terms of hitability.

[moocow007]

Yoooooo, the Yankees have hired Eric Cressey as the overlord of their strength/conditioning/training departments.

This is basically the equivalent of stealing the Suns training staff from about 10 years ago. Cressey is THE MAN in baseball circles, both for the results he gets and being on the cutting edge of biomechanics, kinesiology, etc in baseball.

This is absolutely massive for the Yankees organization.

This dude



Our old conditioning coach



This guy must've lied his ass off with his resume.

He catfished Cashman.

[moocow007]

What the hell, man.

Read on Twitter

And who won the WS in 2018? Yup.

Take away all their draft picks and international pool money for the next 2 years (Boston and Houston).

[thebuzzardman]

What the hell, man.

Read on Twitter

And who won the WS in 2018? Yup.

Take away all their draft picks and international pool money for the next 2 years (Boston and Houston).

Isn't Cora a common denominator to both teams?

[moocow007]

What the hell, man.

Read on Twitter

And who won the WS in 2018? Yup.

Take away all their draft picks and international pool money for the next 2 years (Boston and Houston).

Isn't Cora a common denominator to both teams?

Yep. But the only way to hurt these teams is to take away things they can't replace. If they ban the GM, the owner or the manager they can just replace them pretty easily. The owner ban made both the Yankees (George Steinbrenner) and the Reds (Marge Schott) better, not worse. Banning the GM? Whoopie...they'll just make the assistant GM the GM and move on. Banning the manager? Again, with a team like the Astros have, you can find another manager easily to get the same results. You take away their ability to draft players or sign players for a period of time and that is something they can't ever replace.

[HarthorneWingo]

If Happ is still here I would have him as the 5th starter to start the year and have Montgomery start in AAA for about a month, so he can be stretched out and less pressure on him to get back into form being a full year removed from TJ surgery.

Here are the free agent starting pitchers. How can see who is still left on the board. Bring back Jason Vargas. Newsday will be thrilled.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-mlb-free-agents-by-position

Starting pitchers

Gerrit Cole (29 years old, 7.4 WAR) -- signed 9-year deal with NYY (12/18)
Stephen Strasburg (31, 5.7) -- signed 7-year deal with WSH (12/9)
Hyun-Jin Ryu (33, 4.8) -- signed 4-year deal with TOR (12/27)
Zack Wheeler (30, 4.7) -- signed 5-year deal with PHI (12/9)
Jake Odorizzi (30, 4.3) -- accepted qualifying offer from MIN (11/14)
Madison Bumgarner (30, 3.2) -- signed 5-year deal with ARI (12/17)
Homer Bailey (34, 2.9) -- signed 1-year deal with MIN (12/31)
Michael Pineda (30, 2.7) -- signed 2-year deal with MIN (12/10)
Kyle Gibson (32, 2.5) -- signed 3-year deal with TEX (12/6)
Cole Hamels (36, 2.5) -- signed 1-year deal with ATL (12/4)
Adam Wainwright (38, 2.2) -- signed 1-year deal with STL (11/12)
Tanner Roark (33, 2.0) -- signed 2-year deal with TOR (12/18)
Wade Miley (33, 2.0) -- signed 2-year deal with CIN (12/18)
Brett Anderson (32, 2.0) -- signed 1-year deal with MIL (12/13)
Iván Nova (33, 2.0)
Martín Pérez (29, 1.9) -- signed 1-year deal with BOS (12/19)
Andrew Cashner (33, 1.8)
Jason Vargas (37, 1.8)
Rick Porcello (31, 1.8) -- signed 1-year deal with NYM (12/16)
Kevin Gausman (29, 1.6) -- signed 1-year deal with SF (12/10)
Julio Teheran (29, 1.6) -- signed 1-year deal with LAA (12/21)
Jordan Lyles (29, 1.6) -- signed 2-year deal with TEX (12/13)
Gio Gonzalez (34, 1.4) -- signed 1-year deal with CWS (12/20)
Rich Hill (40, 0.9) -- signed 1-year deal with MIN (12/31)
Aaron Sanchez (27, 0.8)
Dallas Keuchel (32, 0.8) -- signed 3-year deal with CWS (12/30)
Matt Moore (31, 0.5) -- signed with NPB team (12/26)
Pedro Avila (23, 0.2)
Clay Buchholz (35, 0.1)
Tyson Ross (33, 0.0)
Félix Hernández (34, -0.1)
Jhoulys Chacín (32, -0.1)
Jeremy Hellickson (33, -0.1)
Odrisamer Despaigne (33, -0.1) -- signed with KBO team (11/10)
Michael Wacha (28, -0.2) -- signed 1-year deal with NYM (12/13)
Alex Wood (29, -0.2)
Edinson Vólquez (36, -0.2) -- signed Minors deal with TEX (12/19)
Marco Estrada (36, -0.2)
Shelby Miller (29, -0.2)
Clayton Richard (36, -0.2)
Tyler Anderson (30, -0.3) -- signed 1-year deal with SF (12/3)
Drew Smyly (29, -0.3)
Wade LeBlanc (35, -0.3)
Matt Harvey (31, -0.3)
Héctor Noesi (33, -0.3) -- signed Minors deal with PIT (12/17)
Kohl Stewart (25, -0.3) -- signed 1-year deal with BAL (12/29)
Ervin Santana (37, -0.4)
Ross Detwiler (34, -0.6)
Trevor Cahill (32, -0.8)
Edwin Jackson (36, -1.1)
Kendall Graveman (29, N/A) -- signed 1-year deal with SEA (11/26)
Kwang Hyun Kim (31, N/A) -- signed 2-year deal with STL (12/17)
Josh Lindblom (33, N/A) -- signed 3-year deal with MIL (12/16)
Shun Yamaguchi (32, N/A) -- signed 2-year deal with TOR (12/27)

Best 2 pitchers remaining are former Yankee Ivan Nova and former Red Sox Andrew Cashner.

Nova is the better bet of course as he's familiar with pitching in NY and can eat up innings at the back of the rotation (averaged a little over 6.1 innings per start last season). Doubt Nova can be had for a minor league contract however (which is kinda what the Yankees need since they otherwise would have to open up another roster spot). Cashner might be had for a minor league contract but he was brutal with the Red Sox last season so not sure that he'll have the stomach for pitching in NY.

The rest of the guys on this list either just suck terribly or have been injury riddled in recent years making them not really all that desirable IMO. They could try and see if Matt Blake can do anything with Matt Harvey (that no other pitching coach has in the last 4 years)? A minor league contract on Harvey may not be a bad risk. Harvey's fastball isn't 98mph anymore but it's still in the 94mph range. Maybe Blake can squeeze another mile or two out and/or work on getting better spin rate on it to help his secondary pitches which are not as bad as his fastball has become in terms of hitability.

Nova's name and stats jumped out at me too. I don't know if there were any hard feelings when he left but he would seem to be a great fit.

[thebuzzardman]

And who won the WS in 2018? Yup.

Take away all their draft picks and international pool money for the next 2 years (Boston and Houston).

Isn't Cora a common denominator to both teams?

Yep. But the only way to hurt these teams is to take away things they can't replace. If they ban the GM, the owner or the manager they can just replace them pretty easily. The owner ban made both the Yankees (George Steinbrenner) and the Reds (Marge Schott) better, not worse. Banning the GM? Whoopie...they'll just make the assistant GM the GM and move on. Banning the manager? Again, with a team like the Astros have, you can find another manager easily to get the same results. You take away their ability to draft players or sign players for a period of time and that is something they can't ever replace.

Oh yeah, totally agree. Just pointing out he might be the commonality. He can get the lifetime ban.

Isn't what he did even worse than placing a bet like Pete Rose did?

[GEOLINK]

What the hell, man.

Read on Twitter

And who won the WS in 2018? Yup.

Take away all their draft picks and international pool money for the next 2 years (Boston and Houston).

Isn't Cora a common denominator to both teams?

Cora should go to jail at this point.

[moocow007]

Isn't Cora a common denominator to both teams?

Yep. But the only way to hurt these teams is to take away things they can't replace. If they ban the GM, the owner or the manager they can just replace them pretty easily. The owner ban made both the Yankees (George Steinbrenner) and the Reds (Marge Schott) better, not worse. Banning the GM? Whoopie...they'll just make the assistant GM the GM and move on. Banning the manager? Again, with a team like the Astros have, you can find another manager easily to get the same results. You take away their ability to draft players or sign players for a period of time and that is something they can't ever replace.

Oh yeah, totally agree. Just pointing out he might be the commonality. He can get the lifetime ban.

Isn't what he did even worse than placing a bet like Pete Rose did?

Yep absolutely.

[BadNewsBarnes]

From the can't make it up category...

Garrison Lassiter, a failed MLB prospect who never made it past High-A, sued the New York Yankees for $34 million and blamed Yankees legend Derek Jeter for derailing his career as a shortstop.

Lassiter is a career .244 hitter with four home runs and 73 runs batted in over five seasons.

Jeter's resume as a Yankee speaks for itself: 14-time All-Star, five-time World Series champion, five-time Gold Glover, cementing himself as one of the greatest to ever play the game and wear the pinstripes.

In the bizarre lawsuit, Lassiter used letters, newspaper clippings and scouting reports to claim that there was a conspiracy against him in order to "protect the career of Derek Jeter".

Lassiter says he is broke and homeless, having to sleep in his car. The Yankees signed him to a $675,000 signing bonus back in 2008.

“I cannot get on the field due to the New York Yankees trying to control my career,” he wrote in all caps to several major league teams, looking for deals that never came. “I’m the only baseball player that will stand up to the New York Yankees,” he added in the final page of the document, which was filed in U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina.

<snip>

https://wfan.radio.com/articles/news/failed-new-york-yankees-prospect-attacks-derek-jeter

[blue and orange]

What a loser

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/01/in-bizarre-lawsuit-yankees-failed-prospect-says-derek-jeter-ruined-his-career.html

[HarthorneWingo]

:lol: What a loser

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/01/in-bizarre-lawsuit-yankees-failed-prospect-says-derek-jeter-ruined-his-career.html

Mental health issues, most likely. Does he have a lawyer?

[MaseInYourFace]

That’s sad actually...

[MaseInYourFace]

Here are the free agent starting pitchers. How can see who is still left on the board. Bring back Jason Vargas. Newsday will be thrilled.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-mlb-free-agents-by-position

Best 2 pitchers remaining are former Yankee Ivan Nova and former Red Sox Andrew Cashner.

Nova is the better bet of course as he's familiar with pitching in NY and can eat up innings at the back of the rotation (averaged a little over 6.1 innings per start last season). Doubt Nova can be had for a minor league contract however (which is kinda what the Yankees need since they otherwise would have to open up another roster spot). Cashner might be had for a minor league contract but he was brutal with the Red Sox last season so not sure that he'll have the stomach for pitching in NY.

The rest of the guys on this list either just suck terribly or have been injury riddled in recent years making them not really all that desirable IMO. They could try and see if Matt Blake can do anything with Matt Harvey (that no other pitching coach has in the last 4 years)? A minor league contract on Harvey may not be a bad risk. Harvey's fastball isn't 98mph anymore but it's still in the 94mph range. Maybe Blake can squeeze another mile or two out and/or work on getting better spin rate on it to help his secondary pitches which are not as bad as his fastball has become in terms of hitability.

Nova's name and stats jumped out at me too. I don't know if there were any hard feelings when he left but he would seem to be a great fit.

Nova was frustrating to watch. He had decent stuff and with a bit better mental approach I think he could have been a top end 3-4 starter. As back end pitching depth you can certainly do worse but I’d think the Yankees would rather take a flyer on someone with some potential or a young guy.

[HarthorneWingo]

Best 2 pitchers remaining are former Yankee Ivan Nova and former Red Sox Andrew Cashner.

Nova is the better bet of course as he's familiar with pitching in NY and can eat up innings at the back of the rotation (averaged a little over 6.1 innings per start last season). Doubt Nova can be had for a minor league contract however (which is kinda what the Yankees need since they otherwise would have to open up another roster spot). Cashner might be had for a minor league contract but he was brutal with the Red Sox last season so not sure that he'll have the stomach for pitching in NY.

The rest of the guys on this list either just suck terribly or have been injury riddled in recent years making them not really all that desirable IMO. They could try and see if Matt Blake can do anything with Matt Harvey (that no other pitching coach has in the last 4 years)? A minor league contract on Harvey may not be a bad risk. Harvey's fastball isn't 98mph anymore but it's still in the 94mph range. Maybe Blake can squeeze another mile or two out and/or work on getting better spin rate on it to help his secondary pitches which are not as bad as his fastball has become in terms of hitability.

Nova's name and stats jumped out at me too. I don't know if there were any hard feelings when he left but he would seem to be a great fit.

Nova was frustrating to watch. He had decent stuff and with a bit better mental approach I think he could have been a top end 3-4 starter. As back end pitching depth you can certainly do worse but I’d think the Yankees would rather take a flyer on someone with some potential or a young guy.

Not a bad idea at all. Anyone in the minors that has a shot at it?

[GEOLINK]

Read on Twitter

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

Tarpley was a guy who I thought might pan out, but obviously didn't.

Wasn't he pretty touted as a minor league reliever? I might be confusing him with some prospect the Yanks traded within the last 5 years or longer though.

Ah, Tarpely came over in the Nova trade.

There was another guy, who didn't work out, who was a good college reliever but never made it with the Yanks after a few years on their farm.

[Jump Shot]

So happy that Tarpley is gone (hopefully for good)

[SelbyCobra]

Read on Twitter

Tarpley was a guy who I thought might pan out, but obviously didn't.

Wasn't he pretty touted as a minor league reliever? I might be confusing him with some prospect the Yanks traded within the last 5 years or longer though.

Ah, Tarpely came over in the Nova trade.

There was another guy, who didn't work out, who was a good college reliever but never made it with the Yanks after a few years on their farm.

Melancon.

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

Tarpley was a guy who I thought might pan out, but obviously didn't.

Wasn't he pretty touted as a minor league reliever? I might be confusing him with some prospect the Yanks traded within the last 5 years or longer though.

Ah, Tarpely came over in the Nova trade.

There was another guy, who didn't work out, who was a good college reliever but never made it with the Yanks after a few years on their farm.

Melancon.

I thought there was one more guy after him, but he's definitely one