Around the NBA #3 - Kevin Twitterfingers' RGM Burner Edition

[G_K_F]

Also about bridges, he’s 1.5 years older than Knox, and even though he played 2 years in college Bridges sucked last year as a rookie. Knox outplayed him every time we played the hornets. But Bridges got to start and play 30mpg this season. Knox should probably have stayed an extra year in college and this should be his rookie season as well. So maybe if we keep playing knox into year 3 he can develop too. Now Bridges turns 22 next month, he’s starting to hit the age where a player can take the next step, we need to invest the same way in our draft picks and let them play through struggles, we have no excuse not to try. Knox is demoralized and it shows. We are not showing any kind of commitment to these guys. Also the coaching and organizational changes and dysfunction certainly can’t be helping the situation. Miles wouldn’t have developed here either, he’s have been playing 10 mpg behind Morris and Randle just the same

The problem with your theory is that Knox doesn't pass the eye test. It's not even about stats. Just watch Knox play and you see someone with zero feel for the game zero fundamentals. He can't pass, he can't defend, he can't rebound and his shot selection is awful. The kid has no offensive or defensive IQ and makes terrible decisions with the basketball. Not to mention he is very much lazy on the court at times. Hence why his "motor" was questioned coming out college.

Bridges, even when he struggled, showed signs of some game underneath his deficiencies.

Knox just has too many issues - and most of them are mental - to ever be anything more than a present-day Rudy Gay at best. At absolute best. And I'm being kind. He'll more likely be in China in a few years after a few teams take a flier and then give up on him too.

[GEOLINK]

Knox strikes me as a player that would do well in China and certain parts of Europe where there isn't elite talent.

We can brag about all the picks we want, but at the end of the day, these guys have to know how to draft & develop.

[spree2kawhi]

So what do the Knicks have to do to better develop youth? Is it coaching? Trainers? Culture? What y’all think is the main issue in terms of development?

The roles are a problem. Small roles, nothing consistent, no play calls, deference.

[spree2kawhi]

Also about bridges, he’s 1.5 years older than Knox, and even though he played 2 years in college Bridges sucked last year as a rookie. Knox outplayed him every time we played the hornets. But Bridges got to start and play 30mpg this season. Knox should probably have stayed an extra year in college and this should be his rookie season as well. So maybe if we keep playing knox into year 3 he can develop too. Now Bridges turns 22 next month, he’s starting to hit the age where a player can take the next step, we need to invest the same way in our draft picks and let them play through struggles, we have no excuse not to try. Knox is demoralized and it shows. We are not showing any kind of commitment to these guys. Also the coaching and organizational changes and dysfunction certainly can’t be helping the situation. Miles wouldn’t have developed here either, he’s have been playing 10 mpg behind Morris and Randle just the same

The problem with your theory is that Knox doesn't pass the eye test. It's not even about stats. Just watch Knox play and you see someone with zero feel for the game zero fundamentals. He can't pass, he can't defend, he can't rebound and his shot selection is awful. The kid has no offensive or defensive IQ and makes terrible decisions with the basketball. Not to mention he is very much lazy on the court at times. Hence why his "motor" was questioned coming out college.

Bridges, even when he struggled, showed signs of some game underneath his deficiencies.

Knox just has too many issues - and most of them are mental - to ever be anything more than a present-day Rudy Gay at best. At absolute best. And I'm being kind. He'll more likely be in China in a few years after a few teams take a flier and then give up on him too.

You give such a player an easy role and play him so that the game slows down for him. We're a losing team. Despite your correct assessment, the kid can actually play ball: he's a good ball handler, good shooter, good at driving to the basket, he can finish at the rim. With his level of skill it's even a waste simply running him to the corner. Give him some chances to run the pick and roll. It's easy.

[spree2kawhi]

what is development ? 1 - being put in a position to do the thing you're already good at more often ? or 2 - working on the things you're not good at and coming back a more complete player ? when people on here talk about development they mostly talk about 1. 2 is way more important.

I don't want the players to play more, I want better roles for them. Nobody learns how to create shots for himself and others by watching a Randle chuck fest. This way it doesn't matter if you're watching from the bench or from the corner. These guys are insecure, they need repetitions but reps of game action to master it.

[cgmw]

not getting more minutes is not why none of them can shoot the ball

The answer is quite simple, stop drafting raw projects so high. Understand what is required to succeed, go after guys who have a good base in terms of skill set coming into the league. Stop drafting dudes who are 2 years away from being 2 years away in hopes that you are going to find the next Kawhi or Giannis. Chances are, you simply won't.

or if you do, make sure he's a one of a kind athlete like giannis. has unique skills/athletiscm for his height/body type. what's special about kevin knox physically ? nothing.

Wow, sorry, these answers are way off and sound like shooting darts blindfolded.

Player development isn’t a big mystery, and it isn’t about blindly throwing prospects into big minutes.

The formula for NBA player development is easy—it’s 50% scouting and 50% culture. Young humans including basketball players thrive when given proper structure, leadership, stability, wisdom and secure values.

For every childhood star who makes an NBA roster, there are 99 equally talented children who never make it because they lack proper support in life. In the same way, a team like Miami will develop more young NBA players into stars than a chaotic, no leadership, no vision, high churn operation like Dolan’s Knicks.

When the team preaches accountability but the owner requires lifetime NDAs so he’s never held accountable, young players are likely to fail. When the team preaches “eat what you kill” yet is owned by a trustfund flunkie who was literally gifted the team because his dad thought it would keep him off drugs, young players are doomed. When the team preaches “patience” but fires management every 36 months for 20 years, young players never stood a chance.

It will be exceedingly difficult (if not impossible) for any young player to succeed on Jim Dolan’s Knicks.

[F N 11]

RJ for sure a star. Can’t wait to see how we approach the offseason.

[BKlutch]

This was supposed to be locked, but Mods fell asleep early from the exciting Rising Stars game, too.

There's a new Around the NBA thread - please post there instead.

[cgmw]

RJ for sure a star. Can’t wait to see how we approach the offseason.

Jim Dolan: Hold my beer

[KnicksGadfly]

The answer is quite simple, stop drafting raw projects so high. Understand what is required to succeed, go after guys who have a good base in terms of skill set coming into the league. Stop drafting dudes who are 2 years away from being 2 years away in hopes that you are going to find the next Kawhi or Giannis. Chances are, you simply won't.

or if you do, make sure he's a one of a kind athlete like giannis. has unique skills/athletiscm for his height/body type. what's special about kevin knox physically ? nothing.

Wow, sorry, these answers are way off and sound like shooting darts blindfolded.

Player development isn’t a big mystery, and it isn’t about blindly throwing prospects into big minutes.

The formula for NBA player development is easy—it’s 50% scouting and 50% culture. Young humans including basketball players thrive when given proper structure, leadership, stability, wisdom and secure values.

For every childhood star who makes an NBA roster, there are 99 equally talented children who never make it because they lack proper support in life. In the same way, a team like Miami will develop more young NBA players into stars than a chaotic, no leadership, no vision, high churn operation like Dolan’s Knicks.

When the team preaches accountability but the owner requires lifetime NDAs so he’s never held accountable, young players are likely to fail. When the team preaches “eat what you kill” yet is owned by a trustfund flunkie who was literally gifted the team because his dad thought it would keep him off drugs, young players are doomed. When the team preaches “patience” but fires management every 36 months for 20 years, young players never stood a chance.

It will be exceedingly difficult (if not impossible) for any young player to succeed on Jim Dolan’s Knicks.

Agreed here. The Knicks could have never developed Giannis or Kawhi. Hopefully it changes.

I didn't agree with the Knox pick in the beginning (he's the true dollar store Melo), but in the end, I could see the gamble and thinking behind it. Unfortunately, the one factor that Mills, Perry and Fizdale were unable to take into account was how **** they were at developing players. A lot of our guys, I wonder if they just need a change of scenery to succeed. We're ruining a ton of careers here.

[KnicksGadfly]

The answer is quite simple, stop drafting raw projects so high. Understand what is required to succeed, go after guys who have a good base in terms of skill set coming into the league. Stop drafting dudes who are 2 years away from being 2 years away in hopes that you are going to find the next Kawhi or Giannis. Chances are, you simply won't.

or if you do, make sure he's a one of a kind athlete like giannis. has unique skills/athletiscm for his height/body type. what's special about kevin knox physically ? nothing.

Wow, sorry, these answers are way off and sound like shooting darts blindfolded.

Player development isn’t a big mystery, and it isn’t about blindly throwing prospects into big minutes.

The formula for NBA player development is easy—it’s 50% scouting and 50% culture. Young humans including basketball players thrive when given proper structure, leadership, stability, wisdom and secure values.

For every childhood star who makes an NBA roster, there are 99 equally talented children who never make it because they lack proper support in life. In the same way, a team like Miami will develop more young NBA players into stars than a chaotic, no leadership, no vision, high churn operation like Dolan’s Knicks.

When the team preaches accountability but the owner requires lifetime NDAs so he’s never held accountable, young players are likely to fail. When the team preaches “eat what you kill” yet is owned by a trustfund flunkie who was literally gifted the team because his dad thought it would keep him off drugs, young players are doomed. When the team preaches “patience” but fires management every 36 months for 20 years, young players never stood a chance.

It will be exceedingly difficult (if not impossible) for any young player to succeed on Jim Dolan’s Knicks.

Agreed here. The Knicks could have never developed Giannis or Kawhi. Hopefully it changes.

I didn't agree with the Knox pick in the beginning (he's the true dollar store Melo), but in the end, I could see the gamble and thinking behind it. Unfortunately, the one factor that Mills, Perry and Fizdale were unable to take into account was how **** they were at developing players. A lot of our guys, I wonder if they just need a change of scenery to succeed. We're ruining a ton of careers here.

[god shammgod]

Knicks are doing a decent job developing, imo. Basically all the 2nd rounders are looking great.

Yeah, Knox and Frank suck. But its not like they were some can't miss talents. They were projects, and sometimes they don't work out. KP was also a huge project, but no ones talking how Knicks developed him into an all-star in the 3rd year, lol.

Lets see what RJ does in the summer. I doubt he even works with the team guys. Prob hires his own shooting coach, maybe even works with Nash.

most guys don't work with guys from their team. rj works with drew hanlen who works with tatum and a lot of other guys. mitch works with ad's guy.