Build a Franchise Season 4 Offseason- Commish Update pg. 93

[Context]

Thats the thing he didnt confirm anything in the current structure of trade system, he just gave "his word"

yes he did- all of the gms got confirmations or exchanged confirmations...they just werent sent to bish

Right now in our system we arent confirming anything between us confirming means sending confirmations to Bish

news to me El Po...i always thought when we quote the trade and say "Detroit confirms" it was done...thats why GM's
would start making posts saying "this player is on the block" even though said player wasnt on their roster but- whaever...

[El Poochio]

im not going to do it but trust me thats what it is bro...

I figured him long ago thats why I never even bothered reaching out to him for any trade whatsoever

i just cant understand how you do this to guys that you never had any issues with...I would understand if it was me...
its just sad bro...

He showed childish behaviour before so I am definitely not as surprised as the other people here

[El Poochio]

yes he did- all of the gms got confirmations or exchanged confirmations...they just werent sent to bish

Right now in our system we arent confirming anything between us confirming means sending confirmations to Bish

news to me El Po...i always thought when we quote the trade and say "Detroit confirms" it was done...thats why GM's
would start making posts saying "this player is on the block" even though said player wasnt on their roster but- whaever...

If that "Detroit confirms" was sent to Bish instead of the trade partner GM yeah that would mean confirming the trade

[Context]

Right now in our system we arent confirming anything between us confirming means sending confirmations to Bish

news to me El Po...i always thought when we quote the trade and say "Detroit confirms" it was done...thats why GM's
would start making posts saying "this player is on the block" even though said player wasnt on their roster but- whaever...

If that "Detroit confirms" was sent to Bish instead of the trade partner GM yeah that would mean confirming the trade

one thing i will say...we need to improve on this system...my suggestion is - once you send out a team "confirmation" its valid as long as it meets the legal requirements through the commissioner. This saves a ton of time and makes things more efficient...

[3toheadmelo]

news to me El Po...i always thought when we quote the trade and say "Detroit confirms" it was done...thats why GM's
would start making posts saying "this player is on the block" even though said player wasnt on their roster but- whaever...

If that "Detroit confirms" was sent to Bish instead of the trade partner GM yeah that would mean confirming the trade

one thing i will say...we need to improve on this system...my suggestion is - once you send out a team "confirmation" its valid as long as it meets the legal requirements through the commissioner. This saves a ton of time and makes things more efficient...

We never had a problem with the system though. Why fix something if it ain’t broke?

[Capn'O]

Did both parties send to bish prior to the season opening?

[3toheadmelo]

Did both parties send to bish prior to the season opening?

Nope. If it did then I wouldn’t have an issue with it

[Context]

If that "Detroit confirms" was sent to Bish instead of the trade partner GM yeah that would mean confirming the trade

one thing i will say...we need to improve on this system...my suggestion is - once you send out a team "confirmation" its valid as long as it meets the legal requirements through the commissioner. This saves a ton of time and makes things more efficient...

We never had a problem with the system though. Why fix something if it ain’t broke?

we never did but now we do because 3 of our gm's got **** over Mel...so with that said - I personally dont want to see this happen again and we can insure that by making this adjustment...just my opinion...

[mpharris36]

mph, you know we have a honor code- bish is only there to make sure its legal...i cant pretend that the code doesnt exist...

Of course we all hope GM's honor that code. But the code doesn't outweigh our legal approval system.

mph, im good on this -im not going to let bk's terrible way of handling this -divide us and have me debating or making you guys feel a way...
i really understand some of your positions- you are giving bk the benefit of the doubt- I did that in the beginning but when he ignored koc and newera- i knew exactly who we were dealing with...sorry but its the truth...

I think your missing the point. I'm not giving BK the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who was involved honestly and I have removed the GM's straight from my decisoin. This is a facts decision. If both didn't send approvals to bish no matter who it was the trade isn't official. That is simply just the way I see it.

Also your "code" might be different then someones else "code" which is why we have rules in place to take feelings and "code" out of it. Since the start of the league before you even joined (so this isn't even specific to you) GM's have had differences of "code" regarding lineups but doing things to get a certain result and some have different feelings about that but at the end of the day if there isn't a rule to prevent you from doing something no one can force you to do it, even if you have a different "code" then someone else.

Regarding "i knew who we were dealing with". I don't want to bring up old bad blood. There are two sides to every story on your guys falling out so lets keep that out of it.

We are just ruling on a trade...not on our feelings about specific GM's.

[mpharris36]

If that "Detroit confirms" was sent to Bish instead of the trade partner GM yeah that would mean confirming the trade

one thing i will say...we need to improve on this system...my suggestion is - once you send out a team "confirmation" its valid as long as it meets the legal requirements through the commissioner. This saves a ton of time and makes things more efficient...

We never had a problem with the system though. Why fix something if it ain’t broke?

there isn't a need to fix it.

We had issues in past BAT's where we would have to post approval in a public forum for a trade to be official. Some people even agreed in PM's in the past and never sent replied with "approved" so we had a lot of issues regarding when a trade was officially approved. Via PM or via the response in the official forum.

Bish eliminated all the grey area when he started BAF...we have a commish for that reason. It's why Bish doesn't post trades until they are official and meet all the requirements. If we start changing the approval process we leave it up to interpretation of both GM's if they approved.

The way we do it right now is not too much to ask. Its a simple process and its effective.

[Context]

Of course we all hope GM's honor that code. But the code doesn't outweigh our legal approval system.

mph, im good on this -im not going to let bk's terrible way of handling this -divide us and have me debating or making you guys feel a way...
i really understand some of your positions- you are giving bk the benefit of the doubt- I did that in the beginning but when he ignored koc and newera- i knew exactly who we were dealing with...sorry but its the truth...

I think your missing the point. I'm not giving BK the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who was involved honestly and I have removed the GM's straight from my decisoin. This is a facts decision. If both didn't send approvals to bish no matter who it was the trade isn't official. That is simply just the way I see it.

Also you "code" might be different then someones else "code" which is why we have rules in place to take feelings and "code" out of it. Since the start of the league before you even joined (so this isn't even specific to you) GM's have had differences of "code" regarding lineups but doing things to get a certain result and some have different feelings about that but at the end of the day if there isn't a rule to prevent you from doing something no one can force you to do it, even if you have a different "code" then someone else.

Regarding "i knew who we were dealing with". I don't want to bring up old bad blood. There are two sides to every story on your guys falling out so lets keep that out of it.

We are just ruling on a trade...not on our feelings about specific GM's.

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

[mpharris36]

mph, im good on this -im not going to let bk's terrible way of handling this -divide us and have me debating or making you guys feel a way...
i really understand some of your positions- you are giving bk the benefit of the doubt- I did that in the beginning but when he ignored koc and newera- i knew exactly who we were dealing with...sorry but its the truth...

I think your missing the point. I'm not giving BK the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who was involved honestly and I have removed the GM's straight from my decisoin. This is a facts decision. If both didn't send approvals to bish no matter who it was the trade isn't official. That is simply just the way I see it.

Also you "code" might be different then someones else "code" which is why we have rules in place to take feelings and "code" out of it. Since the start of the league before you even joined (so this isn't even specific to you) GM's have had differences of "code" regarding lineups but doing things to get a certain result and some have different feelings about that but at the end of the day if there isn't a rule to prevent you from doing something no one can force you to do it, even if you have a different "code" then someone else.

Regarding "i knew who we were dealing with". I don't want to bring up old bad blood. There are two sides to every story on your guys falling out so lets keep that out of it.

We are just ruling on a trade...not on our feelings about specific GM's.

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they think or get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

[Context]

I think your missing the point. I'm not giving BK the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who was involved honestly and I have removed the GM's straight from my decisoin. This is a facts decision. If both didn't send approvals to bish no matter who it was the trade isn't official. That is simply just the way I see it.

Also you "code" might be different then someones else "code" which is why we have rules in place to take feelings and "code" out of it. Since the start of the league before you even joined (so this isn't even specific to you) GM's have had differences of "code" regarding lineups but doing things to get a certain result and some have different feelings about that but at the end of the day if there isn't a rule to prevent you from doing something no one can force you to do it, even if you have a different "code" then someone else.

Regarding "i knew who we were dealing with". I don't want to bring up old bad blood. There are two sides to every story on your guys falling out so lets keep that out of it.

We are just ruling on a trade...not on our feelings about specific GM's.

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

man, GM after GM made tons of trades on top of trades before anything is officially approved by bish so can we
stop pretending that its not the norm...If Bish didnt put all of those pre season trades as 4 big trades there would have been 20 individual trades so please stop...I had 4 or 5 by myself -we are going to agree to disagree...

God bless you and good night everybody

[3toheadmelo]

I think your missing the point. I'm not giving BK the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who was involved honestly and I have removed the GM's straight from my decisoin. This is a facts decision. If both didn't send approvals to bish no matter who it was the trade isn't official. That is simply just the way I see it.

Also you "code" might be different then someones else "code" which is why we have rules in place to take feelings and "code" out of it. Since the start of the league before you even joined (so this isn't even specific to you) GM's have had differences of "code" regarding lineups but doing things to get a certain result and some have different feelings about that but at the end of the day if there isn't a rule to prevent you from doing something no one can force you to do it, even if you have a different "code" then someone else.

Regarding "i knew who we were dealing with". I don't want to bring up old bad blood. There are two sides to every story on your guys falling out so lets keep that out of it.

We are just ruling on a trade...not on our feelings about specific GM's.

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

Fun fact. The trade between me and Context was originally supposed to be just Korkmaz and Shake Milton. Straight up just them 2. Bish hit me up and told me that the trade actually makes my cap space worse and I wouldn’t be able to sign my pick. He asked me if I still wanted to go on with that trade and I said nah. Ended up renegotiating for the whole day to figure something out. Something like that could happen with one of BK’s trades. Not pick wise but something else like cap space. We have no idea what BK’s plan was.

[Context]

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

Fun fact. The trade between me and Context was originally supposed to be just Korkmaz and Shake Milton. Straight up just them 2. Bish hit me up and told me that the trade actually makes my cap space worse and I wouldn’t be able to sign my pick. He asked me if I still wanted to go on with that trade and I said nah. Ended up renegotiating for the whole day to figure something out. Something like that could happen with one of BK’s trades. Not pick wise but something else like cap space. We have no idea what BK’s plan was.

and just as a point of reference if one of bks trades didnt work "legally" i wouldnt have an issue voiding it...I just have an issue
with the context of this situation in relation to what we do year after year "pre season" and that it was THREE gms that had the same experience...

[mpharris36]

so whats the point of teams confirming and then posting openly in the thread that they got players that
are not officially theirs and then trading said players?

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

man, GM after GM makes tons of trades on top of trades before anything is officially approved by bish so can we
stop pretending that its not the norm...If Bish didnt put all of those pre season trades as 4 big trades there would have been 20 individual trades so please stop...I had 4or 5 by myself -we are going to agree to disagree...

God bless you and good night everybody

I'm not sure what the above has to do with anything. But a trade isn't official when I say it is, just like its not official when another GM says it is. It's official when it goes to the Commish and he approves.

[Context]

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

man, GM after GM makes tons of trades on top of trades before anything is officially approved by bish so can we
stop pretending that its not the norm...If Bish didnt put all of those pre season trades as 4 big trades there would have been 20 individual trades so please stop...I had 4or 5 by myself -we are going to agree to disagree...

God bless you and good night everybody

I'm not sure what the above has to do with anything. But a trade isn't official when I say it is, just like its not official when another GM says it is. It's official when it goes to the Commish and he approves.

"context" is what spawned the term "judgement call"...if only life were black and white bro...again, lets just agree to disagree...

[ribs]

I'm cool either way when it comes to the final decision.

For me and my team, I just want to know if I should be persuading a different trade than the one me and BK agreed on.

It's just annoying watching guys I'd potentially be interested in get moved while I'm sitting here in limbo lol.

[mpharris36]

the offseason is a "tampering" period...what is done there isn't official. We would like every GM to hold there "word" but until it is officially sent the trade isn't approved.

Just like Marcus Morris did to the spurs he agreed verablly to sign with them but didn't put pen to paper and backed out for watever reason to sign with Knicks. Was it a dick move? Yes...could the NBA do anything about it? No because nothing was signed.

[3toheadmelo]

No one said you ever had to do that. Teams get ahead of themselves and want to get the league talking or get a rise out of people to see what they thinkvor get discussion going. But until Bish posts it, meaning, he as the commishinor deamed the trade legal its not official.

I have had a trade with a team before maybe a year back where we both agreed and sent it to bish and then bish said because of another deal that team had the trade didn't meet all the salary requirements so he said you either need to rework the trade or it won't be official.

The two GM's personally agreeing doesn't make it official. So thats just your perogative if you want to post "boom" or someone posts an image of someone. It aint official till the commish says its official.

Fun fact. The trade between me and Context was originally supposed to be just Korkmaz and Shake Milton. Straight up just them 2. Bish hit me up and told me that the trade actually makes my cap space worse and I wouldn’t be able to sign my pick. He asked me if I still wanted to go on with that trade and I said nah. Ended up renegotiating for the whole day to figure something out. Something like that could happen with one of BK’s trades. Not pick wise but something else like cap space. We have no idea what BK’s plan was.

and just as a point of reference if one of bks trades didnt work "legally" i wouldnt have an issue voiding it...I just have an issue
with the context of this situation in relation to what we do year after year "pre season" and that it was THREE gms that had the same experience...

Our trades worked legally though. Bish just said that it made my cap space worse (which I’m very grateful for) and we had to renegotiate so I can afford my pick. Something could happen like that if BK wanted a certain amount of cap space. We just have no idea what his intentions was which is why the trades should not go through.