2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[Huey Freeman]

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Wonder where he goes in the draft now

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Is he the "private label/ store brand" version of IQ?
I can't see NYK drafting him unless he falls out of the 1st round. Is that a possibility?

[3toheadmelo]

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Wonder where he goes in the draft now

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Is he the "private label/ store brand" version of IQ?
I can't see NYK drafting him unless he falls out of the 1st round. Is that a possibility?

He seems like he’s going in the 2nd round since he played in the A 10, not sure though.

I actually think he is better than IQ imo. He has a lot more moves in his bag. Like those step back 3’s from super deep is ridiculous

[DrCoach]

Sooooooooooooo many guards in this class...I dint envy the scouts job right now.

Springer looks inter2sting, 18, good size and good defender, younger than Suggs with similar #’s

[knickstape4ever]

James Bouknight

that's it. that's the post

[DickGrayson]

Theres a lot of good guards. Hyland can possible go from 23-45. We'll see.

[NewKnicks]

We need two more 'stars', or at least one star and a Lonzo type player.. a young player who is a potential rising star (this is obviously debatable - just using Lonzo as an example)

We won't get there if we can't find those players. A star/superstar FA is really a fantasy (at this point), so right now the focus has to all be on the draft. If we can land a potential star in the draft, we'll only need to find one more player. The draft could kickstart our rise to the top.

We simply can't f*ck up any draft picks moving forward.

I'm not sure what's better yet.. trading Obi/Mitch/IQ plus several firsts (maybe next year's as well) to potentially land a top 5 pick (I know this is highly unlikely)

OR

Keeping both picks because we're not good at drafting, and at least we'll have two shots to a really good player.

Maybe we could do this..

We could keep our first, then trade the Dallas pick plus one of Mitch/IQ, plus year's next year's first (if needed - but whatever combo gets it done) to move up high in this draft. Maybe adding a top 10 pick in this stacked draft. I like this scenario. It would give us two shots in the draft to land a potential future star. Maybe a 6-10 draft slot, and our 15 (or wherever we end up) draft slot. Maybe a trade to get Golden State's pick (which is currently 13)? I really don't know the price tag for that though. I'd like to hear people's opinions on what it would cost (not homers opinions - a lot of you great posters out there who can evaluate things without Knicks colored glasses on).

I'm sure I'll get a ton of "no way we trade Mitch or IQ" etc. But you have to give up something to get something. Also, you have to factor in we'll get a player on a rookie scale salary as well. Mitch is going to look to get paid soon enough. This could get us out of having to hand him a big bag. We wouldn't have to worry about if he's injury prone or not, and this also would allow us to save some money for another FA or two.

I have no idea how much it would take to move into the top 10. I'm purely speculating. But it's not going to Obi, Frank, Knox and next year's one. It will cost more than that. Probably adding one of Mitch or IQ could get it done.

Mitch or IQ, Dallas' pick, plus next year's first to get into the top 10. I wonder if that would do it?

I know I rambled a lot here, but I'm just kind of thinking out loud, and would love opinions on this.

[NewKnicks]

I think the FO should consider moving Obi and even use him to move up from the Mavs pick

IMO he's never going to have a role here w/ Randle. Thibs has shown he plays Julius and Obi strictly at the PF and he likes having a rim protecting C. + Thibs plays his starters big minutes, so I don't see how Obi's role will expand past 10-15 minutes

keeping him another year in such a reduced role will further decrease his trade value, so might as well sell as high as possible while he has 3 years left on a rookie deal

as much as it sucks, Obi might just be a sunk cost. not necessarily b/c of talent (tho I do think he's been bad) but because of his role and the fact that we currently have an all-star starting at his position

I'd rather trade Obi to get from pick 22 into the 12-14 range and take a player who could actually play for us....like a guard, lord knows we could use a few of those

in 2017 the Utah Jazz traded #24 and Trey Lyles for #13.....Donovan Mitchell. and that was after Lyles 2nd season. moving up could be worthwhile and the chances of getting lucky w/ a star talent is higher in the 12-14 range than in the 20-22 range

Here's the problem.. Why would other teams give Obi any value in a trade when they can just watch tape of his games on our squad? Might as well keep him around to see if he can increase his value before dumping him. Obi plus the Mavs pick = Mavs pick only.

I love the idea though. I wonder if we could get into the top 10 by trading the Mavs pick, either Mitch or IQ, and next year's first. How much could we get with that package? Maybe take a good vet or young prospect back in return.

It's hard to know what it will cost this year to get into the top 10, but I'd love to try.

[NewKnicks]

I guess I'm in the minority but I still love the depth of this draft. Sure, there will be some busts, but talking about guys like Moody or Bouknight or Kispert or Ziaire being late lottery picks--that's pretty damn good to me.

I don't think you're in the minority and are still in the majority that thinks this draft is pretty deep especially the lottery.

What's funny is seeing other people trying to say that (for some reason), this draft isn't stacked anymore. There's literally no reason to come up with that theory, but people are putting it out there on here.

All of the top 5 picks this year would be the number 1 pick last year. It's a great draft, and all evaluators still say it's one of the best in awhile, and I agree. There are a lot of other players outside of the top 5 that have a lot of potential. Star potential.

And before someone says "who cares what evaluators/scouts think" (which is actually pretty stupid to say, considering they literally get paid to evaluate players), I watched most of these kids this past year. I watched a ton of college bball. This draft is legit.

[DowNY]

Can someone explain how the play-in affects draft position ?

Say we end up 7th seed but lose the play-in to the 10th seed, we get the lottery position right? (Same for Dallas)

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Can someone explain how the play-in affects draft position ?

Say we end up 7th seed but lose the play-in to the 10th seed, we get the lottery position right? (Same for Dallas)

We end up in the lottery in that situation.

[robillionaire]

Can someone explain how the play-in affects draft position ?

Say we end up 7th seed but lose the play-in to the 10th seed, we get the lottery position right? (Same for Dallas)

If we finish 7th or 8th and win that game we are the 7th seed.

If we lose that game we have to play another game against the winner of the 9th-10th seeds. The loser of the 9-10 game goes to the lottery

If we win the game against the winner of the 9-10 seeds, we would then be the 8th seed in the playoffs. The loser of that game goes to the lottery

After that the lottery goes by record the same as always

[TheGreenArrow]

James Bouknight

that's it. that's the post

Yeah I’m looking at him and kispert as my top 2 rn with our highest pick(wether it’s the mavs pick or ours)!!

[Zenzibar]

Can someone explain how the play-in affects draft position ?

Say we end up 7th seed but lose the play-in to the 10th seed, we get the lottery position right? (Same for Dallas)

If we finish 7th or 8th and win that game we are the 7th seed.

If we lose that game we have to play another game against the winner of the 9th-10th seeds. The loser of the 9-10 game goes to the lottery

If we win the game against the winner of the 9-10 seeds, we would then be the 8th seed in the playoffs. The loser of that game goes to the lottery

After that the lottery goes by record the same as always

7-10
Heat
Hornets
Pacers
Bulls/Wizards

Wouldn't making the play-in (experience), losing and landing in the lottery be the very best scenario?

[louisorr]

Sleeper pick David Johnson.
How many true PGs fit the Thibs requirements of size, character and strong D (plus he can shoot it ok) and are available after pick 20?
Comes from a big time program and is a little seasoned as a sophomore.

[newyorker4ever]

I guess I'm in the minority but I still love the depth of this draft. Sure, there will be some busts, but talking about guys like Moody or Bouknight or Kispert or Ziaire being late lottery picks--that's pretty damn good to me.

I don't think you're in the minority and are still in the majority that thinks this draft is pretty deep especially the lottery.

What's funny is seeing other people trying to say that (for some reason), this draft isn't stacked anymore. There's literally no reason to come up with that theory, but people are putting it out there on here.

All of the top 5 picks this year would be the number 1 pick last year. It's a great draft, and all evaluators still say it's one of the best in awhile, and I agree. There are a lot of other players outside of the top 5 that have a lot of potential. Star potential.

And before someone says "who cares what evaluators/scouts think" (which is actually pretty stupid to say, considering they literally get paid to evaluate players), I watched most of these kids this past year. I watched a ton of college bball. This draft is legit.

Maybe the people on here saying that are just trying to make themselves feel a little better about how the Knicks are gonna miss out on having a chance at getting a player that would of been huge for this Knicks rebuild, (Jalen Suggs) and the Knicks are absolutely still rebuilding.

I'll be very happy that the Knicks are finally in the playoffs again and love watching them win every game they've won so far, but will not change my stance about how being in the top of this draft was the better position to be in over making the playoffs. Hopefully we find a way to hit a grand slam in the draft still, or at least a home run.......i'll take a triple if i have to..

[Celo]

It's been a lazy Sunday for me, so I re-watched some college games I found on youtube. A player that looked interesting but isn't on any mocks yet : JT Thor. 6'10 Freshman playing for Auburn, probably just declared to test the waters, but maybe he could be convinced to keep his name in the draft if we promise him being either our late 2nd rounder or a two-way contract. He has A LOT of work to do in the gym, way too skinny to contribute right away. But he has a nice stroke, has potential as a rim protector as well as guarding the perimeter on the switch, and showed some ballhandling in his highschool days. Like I said, probably more of a name for the future than for this draft. But looked really intriguing. On the other hand, I really wasn't impressed with Cooper, so I'm hoping we're avoiding him. Same goes for Scottie Barnes.

[NewKnicks]

Not always, and he wasn’t elite at it except maybe one finals with the Spurs. His time with the Spurs basically saved his career and reputation. He was bad on the bobcats

https://swarmandsting.com/2012/05/09/charlotte-bobcats-player-grades-boris-diaw/

Yes it was a effort thing, but defense wasn’t what made Diaw special, it was his passing, and that is what makes obi special too. If he gets strong enough to post centers and pass out if needed he would be an asset offensively. He looks like he at least understands defense so I don’t think he is a lost cause nearly as much as I thought when he was first drafted.

Diaw w/ the Suns and Spurs played great defense. even locked up Lebron in the finals when he was with the Spurs

I still don't see how Obi is getting more than 15 minutes a game here. Thibs plays Obi and Randle strictly at PF and he likes rim protection from his C (and we have 2 really good one's w/ Mitch, Noel)

it's just a sunk cost IMO. why hold on longer and risk killing his value (like Knox) if he's not gonna have any significant role?

It was the D’antoni Suns.... any defense looked elite he was good, but his defense isn’t what made him elite or a key part of that Championship Spurs team. That team played great defense and sent several defenders at Lebron per game to keep him from being comfortable. They also had Kawhi and Danny green giving a Lebron that work too.

Obi’s biggest issue is strength. He is highly skilled but got his points off as a 21 year old playing teenagers. If he gets NBA strong he’ll be a useful role player. If he doesn’t he’ll never improve.

I don't know why, but I never thought of Obi's college career in the age sense, even though I do now that's he is in the NBA. He was frickin 21 playing against a bunch of kids. That's like putting Knox back at UK now.. let's see how he does. I'm sure he'd be one the better college players.

Obi basically has no trade value, unless a team was in love with him in the draft last year, and that team wants to take a flyer on him. I doubt that Obi alone will move us up 10 slots in this draft. That's a bit much. Especially not in this draft. We'd have to include another draft pick.

[bleedblue3303]

Sign me up for that! But the teams in the top 5 are not giving up their picks. Too much superstar potential with all five.

I'd love to any of the top 4. I don't care which one.

Cade
Suggs
Mobley
Green

All potential superstars. Kominga could be as well, but I'd prefer the top 4 over him. Green could easily end up as the best player in this draft. Agree 100%.

I keep wondering if Golden State which has Minessota pick ends up 4th would be willing.

Maybe something along the lines of Mitch and Randle

For Green and Wiseman and taking back wiggins contract. I think Green is going to be that special I would def consider it.

Knicks say no........

You think so? I'm really not sure. We are going to have to pay Mitch, we wind up getting Wiseman who has just as much potential in my mind.
We now have wings of RJ and Green.
Lets say we sign Lonzo so that team would look like

Ball
Green
RJ
Toppin
Wiseman

I'm conflicted because I'm really starting to love Randle and the leadership he brings to this group. But that's a pretty exciting young team for the next 10 years. I am also questioning simply by position. If you look at most championship teams their best player isn't power forward. Its usually teams that has a wing as their best player build the dynasty's or multiple championships. From the Bull, to the Lakers, to the heat

Am happy to hear what I'm missing that you think the Knicks absolutely say no to that.

[NewKnicks]

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Wonder where he goes in the draft now

Read on Twitter

Is he the "private label/ store brand" version of IQ?
I can't see NYK drafting him unless he falls out of the 1st round. Is that a possibility?

He seems like he’s going in the 2nd round since he played in the A 10, not sure though.

I actually think he is better than IQ imo. He has a lot more moves in his bag. Like those step back 3’s from super deep is ridiculous

I think the Knicks will follow in the success of drafting a 'great' A10 player, and draft Highland in the first round.

Can we just stay away from the A10 for just a bit, please?

[NewKnicks]

I don't think you're in the minority and are still in the majority that thinks this draft is pretty deep especially the lottery.

What's funny is seeing other people trying to say that (for some reason), this draft isn't stacked anymore. There's literally no reason to come up with that theory, but people are putting it out there on here.

All of the top 5 picks this year would be the number 1 pick last year. It's a great draft, and all evaluators still say it's one of the best in awhile, and I agree. There are a lot of other players outside of the top 5 that have a lot of potential. Star potential.

And before someone says "who cares what evaluators/scouts think" (which is actually pretty stupid to say, considering they literally get paid to evaluate players), I watched most of these kids this past year. I watched a ton of college bball. This draft is legit.

Maybe the people on here saying that are just trying to make themselves feel a little better about how the Knicks are gonna miss out on having a chance at getting a player that would of been huge for this Knicks rebuild, (Jalen Suggs) and the Knicks are absolutely still rebuilding.

I'll be very happy that the Knicks are finally in the playoffs again and love watching them win every game they've won so far, but will not change my stance about how being in the top of this draft was the better position to be in over making the playoffs. Hopefully we find a way to hit a grand slam in the draft still, or at least a home run.......i'll take a triple if i have to..

I think you're probably right. This board is famous for that. A lot of people on here defend the front office at all costs, no matter what kind of mistakes they make, and no matter which FO is running the team at that time. I don't get it.

I guess people are so conditioned by all the losing, that they are not able to think rationally. It's 'Go Knicks Go' no matter what.

I'm still taking the stance of playing all the kids big minutes all year (with a mix of the vets to complement), and get in the top 5 of this draft. We will be regretting this for years to come, as teams like the TWolves get Suggs or Cade, and both of them become perennial All-Stars. That should have been our goal from day 1.

All this winning is great, and it's nice seeing the team gel, but again we're doing it with one year vets in all the supporting cast roles. It's Randle, RJ and a bunch of 1 year rentals. We could still have developed Randle and RJ, at the same time did what was needed to be done to stay near the bottom.

What's better? Getting in the playoffs this year, or landing a potential perennial All-Star? I'll take adding our third good-great player and going for it NEXT YEAR.

But that boat has sailed. We're now going to have 2 firsts, but they're going to be in the 15-23 range, which most likely gets us two role players at best.

Playoffs + 2 role player draft picks

OR

No playoffs + Suggs/Cade/Green/Mobley

I'm taking the second option 10 out of 10 times.

Oh well. It is what it is at this point. I'll keep rooting for the W's now since the draft pick slot doesn't really matter anymore.