Leaguewide Offseason Transactions Discussion

[FrozenEnvelope]

Saying grimes is better than rj is one of the dumbest takes that ive seen on this board and thats saying something.

Im pretty much rooting for rj to be traded at this point so I can reverse jimnit every single poster with such stupid takes.

People who use efficiency and as their main factor in determining how good a player is and will be do not know basketball.

[moocow007]

Efficiency only goes so far (especially when it's applied to an unproven player or a low usage player). I still remember that based on some advanced metrics (I believe efficiency based one) that Royal Ivey was better than Stephon Marbury and that Ivey, who was a career fringe backup, should have been a starter and gotten starter minutes (cause obviously if you play him more and his usage increases he can maintain that efficiency and that every team and front office and head coach was wrong). Folks get carried away with stat watching right now. It's absolutely nuts. Still gets me back to the example I've used several times already where some "expert" argued (till he was blue in the face) with me that former Yankee farmhand D'Angelo Jiminez would have a much better major league career than Alfonso Soriano based on stats (minor league ones at that LOL), that he was sure of it even though he had never actually watched either player play in the minors. Doesn't mean stats shouldn't be considered or that it's not important. It is, but everything has to be taken in context and with a clear head (not an emotion filled, rose colored glasses wearing head that relies so heavily on stats).

[DOT]

Saying grimes is better than rj is one of the dumbest takes that ive seen on this board and thats saying something.

Im pretty much rooting for rj to be traded at this point so I can reverse jimnit every single poster with such stupid takes.

People who use efficiency and as their main factor in determining how good a player is and will be do not know basketball.

Well I mean, of course it matters

But it's not the sole factor. Like, I know that Darius Garland is better than Randle because while both have the same Usage and are both the de facto #1 on their teams, Garland has a significantly higher TS. That doesn't take playmaking or defense into account, just scoring, but the overall point still stands

It's useful to compare how guys are at this moment with other players in similar roles. Like RJ and Middleton being in similar roles, essentially the #2 on their teams, but Middleton is significantly more efficient, making him better

It also doesn't give you an accurate depiction of potential though. Advanced stats are not predictive by nature, if you want to project how good a player will be, you need a lot more than just TS, and even those projections are very difficult to do well, the closest you get is something like 538, which takes into account the prior 3 seasons to try and form a trend line, but even that's not great

Grimes is very good, but he's yet to show anything more than flashes of shot creation at the NBA level. He compares pretty favorably to Courtney Lee as a rookie, though he took 80% of his shots from 3 compared to 38% for Lee his rookie year. Other than that, they're very similar, but this is also a good example of how TS works. Grimes had a slash line of 40/38/68 compared to 45/40/83 for Lee, which makes it look like Lee is better, but Grimes had a better TS at .565 compared to .556 for Lee. Because Grimes took more than double the 3s Lee took, his raw percentages look worse, but his overall efficiency was slightly better

I think we're seeing Grimes showing a lot of potential as a shot creator in SL, and he did have it in high school, but whether he didn't show it last year was due to him not really having it or him being stuck in his role is up for debate. He only took 35 3s off the dribble last year, only hit 9 of them, meaning over 81% of his 3 point attempts were off the catch, which was around 2/3rds of his total shots were catch and shoot 3s

Regardless, the kid is good and we should try and keep him, but I think his upside is more of a role player who's good enough to start. Maybe he has potential to grow into a Fournier type role on offense where he can create his own 3s off the dribble too, but that's a ways off.

[nedleeds]

RJ is the only 21 year old to average 20ppg

I always joke about boxscore betties but had never really seen one in the wild.

[nykballa2k4]

RJ is the only 21 year old to average 20ppg

I always joke about boxscore betties but had never really seen one in the wild.

I am not proclaiming RJ to be LeBron, Wade, or anyone banana boat level. Give the kid a chance before you toss him in the trash...

[nedleeds]

RJ is the only 21 year old to average 20ppg

I always joke about boxscore betties but had never really seen one in the wild.

I am not proclaiming RJ to be LeBron, Wade, or anyone banana boat level. Give the kid a chance before you toss him in the trash...

He's played the most minutes in his draft class by a wide margin.

[nykballa2k4]

I always joke about boxscore betties but had never really seen one in the wild.

I am not proclaiming RJ to be LeBron, Wade, or anyone banana boat level. Give the kid a chance before you toss him in the trash...

He's played the most minutes in his draft class by a wide margin.

And?
I just want to see how he does playing with a point guard.

[nedleeds]

I am not proclaiming RJ to be LeBron, Wade, or anyone banana boat level. Give the kid a chance before you toss him in the trash...

He's played the most minutes in his draft class by a wide margin.

And?
I just want to see how he does playing with a point guard.

I think we saw that in empty arenas with Rose on the winning streak. He was not quite a league average shooter but shot pretty well on catch and shoots from the corners. Atrocious shooting, shot selection and getting blocked dragged down his over all shooting but he was good in the corners from 3.

[TheGreenArrow]

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He’s lucky he ended up in Washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’d be getting killed if he was doing this as a Knick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nykballa2k4]

He's played the most minutes in his draft class by a wide margin.

And?
I just want to see how he does playing with a point guard.

I think we saw that in empty arenas with Rose on the winning streak. He was not quite a league average shooter but shot pretty well on catch and shoots from the corners. Atrocious shooting, shot selection and getting blocked dragged down his over all shooting but he was good in the corners from 3.

I think he is relatively young and there are several skills he has that will evolve well. If he evolved into Jamaal Mashburn but with the defense of Rick Fox, I think we are in a good spot...

[Fat Kat]

How has Sharife Cooper looked?

[HEZI]

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He’s lucky he ended up in Washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’d be getting killed if he was doing this as a Knick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some folks really thought this guy was better than Ivey

[Ghetto Gospel]

How has Sharife Cooper looked?

[KnicksGadfly]

How has Sharife Cooper looked?

The Elfrid statline I see

[Ghetto Gospel]

How has Sharife Cooper looked?

The Elfrid statline I see

that statline is so bad for summer league, it's somehow kind of disrespectful to elfrid to call it that

[Meat]

The Elfrid statline I see

that statline is so bad for summer league, it's somehow kind of disrespectful to elfrid to call it that

playoff randle stats

[newyorker4ever]

Fansided finally puts out a good article which hits it on the head what the Knicks should be doing but odd timing when they're about to trade everything we have in assets for DMitch.


It’s time to acknowledge the quality in the Knicks’ front office moves

https://email.fansided.com/c/eJx1TstuxCAQ-xpyI-KVsJcculrlB_oBFWGGDUqAbSBd5e8L6rnSyCPZHo9hMmq8adn5STAhmOaKSz5w3gtABoPSXAs2ODREMWdi9oDQ2xS6dRIauLCLXASwBR039jY6OTKGy4iDU90-raW8MpEfRMx1wPj92qK3W24RlWk_62K6AlcVig9Ijd1ieu8IT6Tfp9l9uejfGXVHioUm57xFGtIP5hYt57OEL2vCy_hnJPIxm_jZmhJxf7SnRIzNkdN5WPxfDwj-DFXHUNnumBDAY__G6lTsMmtKrfgvpfpjOQ

[nedleeds]

Fansided finally puts out a good article which hits it on the head what the Knicks should be doing but odd timing when they're about to trade everything we have in assets for DMitch.


It’s time to acknowledge the quality in the Knicks’ front office moves

https://email.fansided.com/c/eJx1TstuxCAQ-xpyI-KVsJcculrlB_oBFWGGDUqAbSBd5e8L6rnSyCPZHo9hMmq8adn5STAhmOaKSz5w3gtABoPSXAs2ODREMWdi9oDQ2xS6dRIauLCLXASwBR039jY6OTKGy4iDU90-raW8MpEfRMx1wPj92qK3W24RlWk_62K6AlcVig9Ijd1ieu8IT6Tfp9l9uejfGXVHioUm57xFGtIP5hYt57OEL2vCy_hnJPIxm_jZmhJxf7SnRIzNkdN5WPxfDwj-DFXHUNnumBDAY__G6lTsMmtKrfgvpfpjOQ

They signed 5 negative value contracts in one offseason.

Half this hand waving is simply to undo the awful moves they made last year that did nothing but hamstring us. It reminds me of politicians claiming they did some good thing that corrected one of the 10 awful things they caused.

If they did literally nothing last offseason other than draft Grimes. Ask yourself would we be able to trade for Mitchell and sign Bilbo Brunson?

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[LookToShoot]

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Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.