Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Fat]

You are not going to stuff a max contract player on the weakside/offball who is a career 31% 3pt shooter and expect to win a lot of games. start him at PG.

Calderon worked out brilliantly.

[Fat]

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[j4remi]

Straight up, I'd put Winslow on a similar tier to Russell too. I don't think Russell looks like much of a defender at all but has elite offensive skill and Winslow is kinda the reverse. Winslow's defense really impressed me. I wouldn't draft him with high hopes for him offensively, just enough that he can make his game respectable and effective (anything beyond that is a bonus).

[Fat Kat]

Winslow’s jump-shot inconsistency is similar to that of ex-Knick Iman Shumpert’s in that the nature of his misses—with air balls, or shots that miss the rim altogether—is more troubling than the actual percentage he shoots. Additionally, his 63% mark at the line is subpar for someone at his position.

[knickstape21]

Winslow’s jump-shot inconsistency is similar to that of ex-Knick Iman Shumpert’s in that the nature of his misses—with air balls, or shots that miss the rim altogether—is more troubling than the actual percentage he shoots. Additionally, his 63% mark at the line is subpar for someone at his position.

Meanwhile, Shumpert is knocking down 3s in the playoffs and Winslow has better handles, better athlete, and rim finisher.

[Fat Kat]

Porzingis:

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... index.html

Kristaps Porzingis, a smooth-shooting power forward from Latvia, has emerged as a serious threat to break into the top three of the June 25 draft in a potential serious shakeup to the long-held perception the top four spots are set, with some executives at the pre-draft combine here saying Porzingis could go second.

"He could go two," one general manager said. "He's that good. Nobody says anything bad about him."

Said the head of basketball operations for another team: "I think he's a lock for the top five and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go as high as top three. He's good. We all like to do our comparables. He's like Dirk Nowitzki or Pau Gasol..... I'd take him ahead of (Jahlil) Okafor."

Porzingis, 19, has been as high as No. 5 in the NBA.com top 30, based on conversations with scouts and executives, and was No. 7 in the latest rankings, just after the deadline for college players to decide whether to stay in school or enter the draft.

But teams considering the 7-footer with three-point range as a realistic possibility for the top three is the first sign in months that the top of the board is not a lock with, in some order, big men Karl-Anthony Towns of Kentucky and Okafor of Duke or guards D'Angelo Russell of Ohio State and Emmanuel Mudiay, who attended high school in Texas but played this season in China. The situation will become clearer once the order for the top 14 is set with the lottery on Tuesday night.

Porzingis, who probably would have been picked late in the lottery had he stayed in the 2014 draft, played this season in Spain's ACB, one of the top leagues in the world outside the NBA.

I like this kid. Could turn out to be the best of this draft class.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Winslow’s jump-shot inconsistency is similar to that of ex-Knick Iman Shumpert’s in that the nature of his misses—with air balls, or shots that miss the rim altogether—is more troubling than the actual percentage he shoots. Additionally, his 63% mark at the line is subpar for someone at his position.

Meanwhile, Shumpert is knocking down 3s in the playoffs and Winslow has better handles, better athlete, and rim finisher.

As a 3rd/4th option playing next to the best (or second best) player in the NBA. Also, the athleticism is a wash.

[FemaleDogPlease]

I think the highest Porzingis would go is 3. Sam Hinkie knows a front court of Nerlene and Embiid will not mesh. They can pick up Porzingis as a future front court mate for Embiid.

[Signature NYK]

I don't see the hype with winslow you guys are putting on. I'd rather sign Carroll then draft Winslow over Mudiay, Russell, or Jah I don't see greatness in Justice. He is gonna be a good starter on some playoff teams but he doesnt have elite player potential like the top 4.

[3toheadmelo]

knicks have a workout with jordan sibert

[kej718]

Straight up, I'd put Winslow on a similar tier to Russell too. I don't think Russell looks like much of a defender at all but has elite offensive skill and Winslow is kinda the reverse. Winslow's defense really impressed me. I wouldn't draft him with high hopes for him offensively, just enough that he can make his game respectable and effective (anything beyond that is a bonus).

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/62090/knicks-big-fans-of-justise-winslow
Knicks 'big fans' of Justise Winslow?
The New York Knicks are enamored with D'Angelo Russell and have scouted Emmanuel Mudiay extensively.

But they’re considering more than just point guards in the 2015 NBA Draft.

ESPN.com’s Chad Ford tweeted on the night of the NBA Draft Lottery that the Knicks are "big Justise Winslow fans."

They interviewed Winslow during the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago earlier this month and will likely hold a private workout with him prior to the draft.

ESPN Insider Kevin Pelton sees Winslow as the best wing in the draft. However, Pelton believes Winslow’s strong NCAA Tournament performance may have led some to overvalue him.

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ESPN’s Chad Ford says Winslow lacks a great off-the-dribble jump shot and has a poor midrange game. But Winslow also does many things well, including the ability to defended multiple positions and rebounding.

The 19-year-old also showed in a small sample size in college that he can hit the perimeter shot.

One reason the Knicks should take a long look at Winslow is his potential to make an impact on defense. New York ranked 28th in defensive efficiency last season and last in opponent 3-point field goal percentage. The Knicks also ranked 27th in opponent field goal attempts per game.

If his scouting projections are correct, Winslow should be able to help the Knicks improve those numbers. He’s 6-6 with a 6-10 wingspan and has great strength and quick feet.

Most evaluators see Winslow as a small forward in the NBA. So if the Knicks took Winslow, it may allow Carmelo Anthony to shift to power forward.

In the recent past, the Knicks have had been a better team when Anthony is at power forward.

Last season, they outscored opponents by 5.7 points per 48 minutes when Anthony played power forward, per 82games.com. Conversely, they were outscored by 7.2 points per 48 minutes with Anthony at small forward in 2014-15. (The website says Anthony spent 25 percent of the Knicks’ minutes at small forward and 10 percent of the team’s minutes at power forward.)

The Knicks were also better with Anthony at power forward in 2013-14.

That season, New York outscored its opponents by 1.6 points per 48 minutes when Anthony played power forward; they outscored opponents by 0.2 points per 48 minutes when he was at small forward. In 2012-13, the Knicks outscored opponents by four points per 48 minutes when Anthony played small forward and by six points per 48 by minutes when he played power forward.

[knickstape21]

Meanwhile, Shumpert is knocking down 3s in the playoffs and Winslow has better handles, better athlete, and rim finisher.

As a 3rd/4th option playing next to the best (or second best) player in the NBA. Also, the athleticism is a wash.

Keep telling that to yourself, bro.

[beasonu]

I had a dream last night


Sixers pass on Russell, select Mudiay. Phil says we wanted Mudiay and he was our guy..drafts Winslow at 4. Says Winslow was #2 on our board.

lol omg

[E-Balla]

Yeesh. Quite a few blatant lies in these posts... Justise started the last 14 games at PF. He shot under 50% in only 2 of those games and per 40 he averaged 19.1/10.9/3.0/2.8/1.4 on 56% shooting and 65 TS%. The other 3 games you guys counted as the second half of the season where he actually played SF he shot a combined 11/27 (40.7%) for 41 points on 56 TS which is what he was doing overall in the first half of the season. Justise's play DID NOT improve until he started playing PF and that's 2 positions away from what he's physically built to play. And yeah he played well in the Clemson game but he was at PF and Tyus Jones was showing out and creating looks for the team (9 assists). He was also matched up against Donate Grantham aka the worst starting PF in the ACC.

Worst argument I've seen so far for Winslow. This whole "he played best at PF" thing is so overblown it's actually hilarious. All this means is that he guarded the second biggest dude on the other team most of the time. The other times he was guarding the other teams best player unless it was the Center.

On offense, if teams put a smaller guy on him...he took advantage of his size... If teams put a bigger dude on him...he took advantage of his speed and athleticism...if teams put a guy about the same size as him...he's still a pain in a$$ to defend and be defended by.

It's not like Winslow is strictly going to be covered every game by the other teams SF in the NBA. What happens if we play the Bulls? Butler would be on Melo and Dunleavy would be on Winslow. He would get his offensively and defensively against him.

KEEP SLEEPING KNICK FANS!

He wasn't guarding the next biggest player because Duke ran a zone in the second half of the year. And its college ball most PFs are barely 6-8 they're just heavy and strong. NCAA PFs are built like NFL tight ends with most being around 6-5 barefoot and 245 pounds.

And no Justise didn't overpower smaller guys when they were guarding him and he couldn't create at all in the halfcourt against guys his size. That's kind of the point everyone is making when they bring up his play at PF.

Now people are talking about playing him at SG? He wasn't good at SF in the NCAA why would he be good at SG?

And Dunleavy is a better defender than most of the SFs that he couldn't create against.

[Huey Freeman]

knicks have a workout with jordan sibert

Sibert transferred from Ohio State to Dayton a few years ago. 6-4 SG...good mid range shooter (2pt FG% - 46%/ 3pt FG% - 35%).

Phil is planning on acquiring more 2nd round picks. We don't have any 2nd round picks this draft, correct? Philadelphia has 5 2nd round picks (#35, #37, #47, #58, #60), so I expect them to be Phil's target team. Phil should try to buy our pick back from Houston (#32)

[E-Balla]

Winslow’s jump-shot inconsistency is similar to that of ex-Knick Iman Shumpert’s in that the nature of his misses—with air balls, or shots that miss the rim altogether—is more troubling than the actual percentage he shoots. Additionally, his 63% mark at the line is subpar for someone at his position.

Meanwhile, Shumpert is knocking down 3s in the playoffs and Winslow has better handles, better athlete, and rim finisher.

No. Not at all. Shumps handles are ass but Justise is was cheeks with the ball in his hands.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Like dirk and gasol? Lol, every euro gets compared to dirk and gasol.

That dude could be good, but would be such a risky pick

[knickstape21]

Yeesh. Quite a few blatant lies in these posts... Justise started the last 14 games at PF. He shot under 50% in only 2 of those games and per 40 he averaged 19.1/10.9/3.0/2.8/1.4 on 56% shooting and 65 TS%. The other 3 games you guys counted as the second half of the season where he actually played SF he shot a combined 11/27 (40.7%) for 41 points on 56 TS which is what he was doing overall in the first half of the season. Justise's play DID NOT improve until he started playing PF and that's 2 positions away from what he's physically built to play. And yeah he played well in the Clemson game but he was at PF and Tyus Jones was showing out and creating looks for the team (9 assists). He was also matched up against Donate Grantham aka the worst starting PF in the ACC.

Worst argument I've seen so far for Winslow. This whole "he played best at PF" thing is so overblown it's actually hilarious. All this means is that he guarded the second biggest dude on the other team most of the time. The other times he was guarding the other teams best player unless it was the Center.

On offense, if teams put a smaller guy on him...he took advantage of his size... If teams put a bigger dude on him...he took advantage of his speed and athleticism...if teams put a guy about the same size as him...he's still a pain in a$$ to defend and be defended by.

It's not like Winslow is strictly going to be covered every game by the other teams SF in the NBA. What happens if we play the Bulls? Butler would be on Melo and Dunleavy would be on Winslow. He would get his offensively and defensively against him.

KEEP SLEEPING KNICK FANS!

He wasn't guarding the next biggest player because Duke ran a zone in the second half of the year. And its college ball most PFs are barely 6-8 they're just heavy and strong. NCAA PFs are built like NFL tight ends with most being around 6-5 barefoot and 245 pounds.

And no Justise didn't overpower smaller guys when they were guarding him and he couldn't create at all in the halfcourt against guys his size. That's kind of the point everyone is making when they bring up his play at PF.

Now people are talking about playing him at SG? He wasn't good at SF in the NCAA why would he be good at SG?

And Dunleavy is a better defender than most of the SFs that he couldn't create against.

Wrong.

Duke ran a zone half the year

[knickstape21]

Meanwhile, Shumpert is knocking down 3s in the playoffs and Winslow has better handles, better athlete, and rim finisher.

No. Not at all. Shumps handles are ass but Justise is was cheeks with the ball in his hands.

Wronger.

[bleedblue3303]

The 2nd pick would not be enough for melo. Look how much Cleveland had to trade for love. And melo much better than love. Would take in my opinion 2nd pick plus Julius rankle plus another pick.


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