Carmelo to OKC getting finalized. Updates PG 36&7

[N8isScofield]

Well... Boston fans know the difference between good and great, and don't oversell their players or teams. We have parades for championships, not putting up 18/7 on a 31-win team. There are literally dozens of Boston athletes in the past 17 years or so that ended up far better than even the biggest Boston homers claimed they'd be. Brady, Papa, Pierce, IT, Pedroia, Edelman, etc etc etc...

Feel free to name the guys we've oversold on. I'll wait. Not in here telling you Jaylen, Tatum or Smart are going to be franchise guys, even though Tatum is as good a prospect as KP, and all three were drafted high like KP was.

More to the point, our franchises are well-run and know how to build contending teams. Belichick and Ainge aren't sentimental in the least. I can see Ainge overpaying for KP because he completes the team we have assembled, but would he build around him, like you guys might do? Hell no. Look at IT. Dude just had as good a season as any Knick player has ever had, and Ainge couldn't wait to trade him just because he isn't a guy who can lead you to banners in a featured role.

Again, no doubt in my mind that AInge would take Tatum/Lakers-Kings pick for KP in your shoes, before tanking this year. Because he is a good GM who knows what he is doing.

You're comparing

building around a 29 year old undersized PG coming off a hip injury due for a huge deal into his 30's best year

to

building around a healthy 22 year old 7 footer with an insane skill set who's still on his rookie year



You're damn right Ainge would trade Tatum and the pick for KP. The kid is special and everyone around the league knows it. It wasn't even a bad offer. My problem is your failed attempt at trashing the player you claim is going to be a superstar, yet are here making a big offer for.

We only throw parades for championships too. Boston homers like yourself should know this all too well. It came at the expense of your Sox and your Patriots multiple times.

I brought up IT to demonstrate that Ainge not dumb enough to prop up a non-franchise player as a franchise player. Still led us to the ECFs, which the Knicks haven't done in seventeen years.

As to KP, put the hype aside. He's a nice player who might make a couple of all-star teams some day. He's long and mobile, he can score and rebound. Certainly fits Boston very well. But you have to be tripping to think the dude has top 10 player potential.

Again, more to the point, you guys should be trying to get as many top 5 picks as possible. Probably gonna take at least three of them to get you off the mat someday. Given your management, you will probably do something else, though.

Oh well... fare thee well.

Funny how players around the league and most GMs as well as even the most ardent Knick haters in the media disagree with your assessment. Even funnier how you think you can fairly evaluate a player who is just entering his 3rd year and has exceeded expectations in one of the most toxic environments in sports.

[Traveyknicks23]

Moving on from Melo was paramount and nearly impossible without taking on long term money and we were able to do that. Couldn't be happier. Let's give our young guys the ball, try to a establish a culture and hopefully get another lottery pick next summer.

Your establishing a losing culture this year by default maybe next year

There is a difference between losing because you don't yet have the experience to succeed in the toughest leage in the world and losing because your 'leader' is an low energy ball stopping premadonna.

But you got a ball stopping center in kanter lol sooo I guess that makes sense ? Losing is losing no spins on it

[SpikJagger]

If Bill and KP pan out, Frank is at least solid, and we get another very high pick, we could be good.

We probably don't have an elite scorer but that's okay as long as KP doesn't overtry for that -- he has a chance to be but if he's not able, just play D and find your spots for O.

THJ will be next season's best scorer, maybe Kanter close.

I feel the same exact way. I keep telling people that THJR is going to be the #1 option when Melo goes and people look at me like an idiot, but the dude is a bonafide chucker. He will shoot in volumes and get alot of buckets, for sure.

That's not to say that KP won't be getting his but i don't think he has that chucker instinct to keep putting up shots regardless of how well he is playing or if they are going in or not. He gets in his own head a little too much when his performances aren't ideal. I'm sure KP will put up HUGE numbers but will ultimately be 2nd in FGA's behind Hardaway.

[Captain_Caveman]

Hey Boston fan, GTFO

I came correct. Tatum/Lakers-Kings pick for KP and then tanking hard is a reasonable take and exactly what the Knicks should do, but hard to explain that to a fanbase who thought that they would get a Nets pick for Carmelo this summer.

KP is a nice prospect who isn't a franchise player prospect. If they try to prop him up as one, it won't work and then people will blame him for not reaching their unrealistic expectations. But he will get enough stats to confuse the people that don't understand that, just as they did with Melo, Amare, Marbury, David Lee and a bunch of other good but not great players going back to Bernard King.

No skin off my ass, but if I were you guys, I would want more than one 25ppg scorer leading my team to 30 wins year after year. Seriously don't you guys deserve better by now?

No question in my mind that Ainge would take that sort of trade for KP if he were your GM. Because collecting as many top 5 picks as possible at the start of a rebuild is the smart thing to do. It gives you options. It is cost-effective and frees up cap. And it puts you in every trade market that comes up, year after year.

Propping up KP as a fake superstar with no talent around him and no means to get talent around him is not the smart play here, IMO. It's just not.

GTFO with your trash

That's what Bulls, Pacers and Kings fans said before trading their stars for less than half of what Ainge had offered them only a year before.

The teams have had regular dialogue on KP this summer, btw. That doesn't mean it will get to the next level, and it probably won't, but don't be surprised if it does. It's almost certainly the other shoe that Ainge was coyly hinting at in his conference call the night the Kyrie trade broke. FWIW, your coach is old school and thinks KP is a primadonna, and your front office doesn't think he is as good as KP thinks he is. For his part, KP would love to get dealt, as he has no confidence in the franchise whatsoever. Take it or leave it. Don't care.

[NoLayupRule]

people can't seem to take a reasonable approach

Kanter is garbage on Defense
fine, we all agree

wasn't melo pretty much garbage on defense? Is this really a net loss for us?
aren't there tons of teams who have a garbage on defense player who plays anyway? I can name half a dozen starters who are in the same conversation as Kanter on defense.


but whatever

we didn't really trade for Kanter, we traded away Melo and got Kanter who may be an asset in a future trade as scorers like him are always needed

and all the talk about Kanter's being overrated on offense isn't quite reasonable either.
No one is calling him Melo on offense but the guy is a numbers machine. He gets offensive boards and scores. Thats all he does but he does it damn well.


there will be lots of teams who want that off the bench

in fact Id say the Kanter market will be very solid this deadline especially with his opt out

Cavs, Celts, Spurs, Houston, etc will all be interested at the right price

the trick will be to send him to a place like Miami for a guy like Winslow if the timing is good. A place where they need more offense in the 2nd unit and a guy we might want has lost value.


Mil might be a destination too

How about in Detroit for Tobias Harris? Same age and plays a position we need

thats exactly what I was thinking

[Dave DaButcher]

Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

[PeoplesChamp]

Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

Yeah, but, T-Ferg!!! They didn't get T-Ferg!!! Lol.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I came correct. Tatum/Lakers-Kings pick for KP and then tanking hard is a reasonable take and exactly what the Knicks should do, but hard to explain that to a fanbase who thought that they would get a Nets pick for Carmelo this summer.

KP is a nice prospect who isn't a franchise player prospect. If they try to prop him up as one, it won't work and then people will blame him for not reaching their unrealistic expectations. But he will get enough stats to confuse the people that don't understand that, just as they did with Melo, Amare, Marbury, David Lee and a bunch of other good but not great players going back to Bernard King.

No skin off my ass, but if I were you guys, I would want more than one 25ppg scorer leading my team to 30 wins year after year. Seriously don't you guys deserve better by now?

No question in my mind that Ainge would take that sort of trade for KP if he were your GM. Because collecting as many top 5 picks as possible at the start of a rebuild is the smart thing to do. It gives you options. It is cost-effective and frees up cap. And it puts you in every trade market that comes up, year after year.

Propping up KP as a fake superstar with no talent around him and no means to get talent around him is not the smart play here, IMO. It's just not.

GTFO with your trash

That's what Bulls, Pacers and Kings fans said before trading their stars for less than half of what Ainge had offered them only a year before.

The teams have had regular dialogue on KP this summer, btw. That doesn't mean it will get to the next level, and it probably won't, but don't be surprised if it does. It's almost certainly the other shoe that Ainge was coyly hinting at in his conference call the night the Kyrie trade broke. FWIW, your coach is old school and thinks KP is a primadonna, and your front office doesn't think he is as good as KP thinks he is. For his part, KP would love to get dealt, as he has no confidence in the franchise whatsoever. Take it or leave it. Don't care.

Seriously, just leave. You're not doing anything besides starting problems here and posters are not happy with it. You're free to have your own opinion, but you a) don't know "the teams have had regular dialogue on KP this summer" and you also don't know what Ainge was hinting at - that's just you speculating. In addition, Horny likely won't be here past this year so what he wants is irrelevant (in addition to him only being a coach). You also don't know jack **** about how KP feels, so, again, this is you just speculating based on nothing - this probably was true when Phil was here, but he's not anymore.

So, here's your warning - leave and stop trolling, or be suspended.

[Poetry-In-Motion]

I would literally take Ryan Anderson over Kanter. We didn't even get first rounders? This is highway robbery. Kanter can't play defense. Good news: Top three pick locked in the summer.

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Saying you would take Anderson and his 3 years 60m over Kanter's likely one year deal is astonishing to hear. The ONLY thing you should be focusing on is your good news...we are now a bottom team, with KP finally getting the keys. This is a great trade. No long term money, a decent pick, and we get rid of a net negative long term. What's not to love? Carmelo at 33 was NEVER getting a ton of assets.

One year deal. He's opting in no matter what.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I would literally take Ryan Anderson over Kanter. We didn't even get first rounders? This is highway robbery. Kanter can't play defense. Good news: Top three pick locked in the summer.

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Saying you would take Anderson and his 3 years 60m over Kanter's likely one year deal is astonishing to hear. The ONLY thing you should be focusing on is your good news...we are now a bottom team, with KP finally getting the keys. This is a great trade. No long term money, a decent pick, and we get rid of a net negative long term. What's not to love? Carmelo at 33 was NEVER getting a ton of assets.

One year deal. He's opting in no matter what.

You don't know that.

[vallen]

Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

easy ballboy. this isnt the place for common sense.

[DOT]

people can't seem to take a reasonable approach

Kanter is garbage on Defense
fine, we all agree

wasn't melo pretty much garbage on defense? Is this really a net loss for us?
aren't there tons of teams who have a garbage on defense player who plays anyway? I can name half a dozen starters who are in the same conversation as Kanter on defense.


but whatever

we didn't really trade for Kanter, we traded away Melo and got Kanter who may be an asset in a future trade as scorers like him are always needed

and all the talk about Kanter's being overrated on offense isn't quite reasonable either.
No one is calling him Melo on offense but the guy is a numbers machine. He gets offensive boards and scores. Thats all he does but he does it damn well.


there will be lots of teams who want that off the bench

in fact Id say the Kanter market will be very solid this deadline especially with his opt out

Cavs, Celts, Spurs, Houston, etc will all be interested at the right price

the trick will be to send him to a place like Miami for a guy like Winslow if the timing is good. A place where they need more offense in the 2nd unit and a guy we might want has lost value.


Mil might be a destination too

How about in Detroit for Tobias Harris? Same age and plays a position we need

thats exactly what I was thinking

You think Brooklyn might want him?

They only have Mozgov and Zeller at center, we'd have to take back Carroll, but maybe we get a pick out of it?

I dunno, but we can definitely trade him for something, unlike Anderson

[BeagleBoss]

Kanter, at his age, potential and contract, is without a doubt the best you could have done in a trade. I have no complaints. I was expecting a lot worse!

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[Poetry-In-Motion]

Saying you would take Anderson and his 3 years 60m over Kanter's likely one year deal is astonishing to hear. The ONLY thing you should be focusing on is your good news...we are now a bottom team, with KP finally getting the keys. This is a great trade. No long term money, a decent pick, and we get rid of a net negative long term. What's not to love? Carmelo at 33 was NEVER getting a ton of assets.

One year deal. He's opting in no matter what.

You don't know that.

Fine... I do not know that. But to say likely one year deal is wrong.

Rather...

It is very likely he is.

You guys can shred me if he doesn't next summer, but save the BS.

[bigfnjoe96]

Greatest Anime Eva......



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[Juggynaut]

The trade is fine. Both the Knicks and Melo wanted to seperate before the season begins and there isn't a market for Melo between the Rockets, Thunder, and Cavs. The trade value was below average, but wat are u rly expecting from a 33 year old Melo who played 1 of his worst season last year? I would be happy with an addition of a 1st or Ferguson, but reality is OKC only has to beat out the Rocket's **** Ryan Anderson offer. I actually expected a worst trade since the beginning of Melo to Houston only trade rumor so I'm fine with this.

[DOT]

Greatest Anime Eva......



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That's a weird way to spell Avatar the last Airbender

[NBA Fan 1234]

One year deal. He's opting in no matter what.

You don't know that.

Fine... I do not know that. But to say likely one year deal is wrong.

Rather...

It is very likely he is.

You guys can shred me if he doesn't next summer, but save the BS.

What BS? He's 25 and could make a lot of money on the open market, even if he is incredibly flawed. It's not that far out there that he'd opt out of a 19 million dollar deal to cash in on a larger / longer one.

Kanter, at his age, potential and contract, is without a doubt the best you could have done in a trade. I have no complaints. I was expecting a lot worse!

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Potential? He is what he is - a one way player. You do realize he is garbage, right?

[vallen]

One year deal. He's opting in no matter what.

You don't know that.

Fine... I do not know that. But to say likely one year deal is wrong.

Rather...

It is very likely he is.

You guys can shred me if he doesn't next summer, but save the BS.

i think its even more likely he gets a contract.

[BeagleBoss]

Puzzling that some folks here have issues with this trade. Melo is a declining 33 year old high usage scorer who doesn't play D and is on an enormous contract for two more years. In light of what George and Butler commanded this summer, it was clear Melo's value was limited.

This team needs to rebuild. So virtually any trade that did not weigh us down with bad long-term contracts would be a net positive, especially one that arguably makes us less competitive in the short term and thus enhances the potential for a shot at Porter or Doncic.

I, for one, am pleased the drama is over with, at worst, no harm done,

Yes!!! So refreshing not to have Phil and Melo crap all year. But that will end quickly when Assola makes up some story about Latvia hating Turkey or how Hardaway hates Frank.