Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[GONYK]

Did you see that zoomed-in slowmo? It really looked like you could see his whole achillies roll up to his calf.

Agreed. Obviously you have to wait for the doctors, but it really didn't look good.

I remember David Beckham having a similar Achilles injury, where you could see it. And he came back six months later. Though, with his injury, he was still able to stand. Durant fell down after his, which was probably due to a combination of returning so soon and the injury itself.

Yea, I know. Different sport. But just saying, it looks like it all matters about the severity. My morning radio was trying to say this his injury will take 15 months.

KD was putting way more weight on the foot than he was after the first injury.

He was barely using the crutches on the way out of the arena.

[DowNY]

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I think the Knicks & KD are both too invested regardless of the severity of the injury.

This is why I was gauging opinions here. If we had a handshake deal, would we look like the bad guys if we stepped away from KD now, even though it’s probably the right thing to do?
Would that affect how we’re viewed around the league behind the scenes? With other players/agents?
Tricky

[dakomish23]

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I think the Knicks & KD are both too invested regardless of the severity of the injury.

LM4L

[F N 11]

KD was not close to 100% no chit

[blanko]

Lol Bovada put up their updated KD Odds:

Knicks -175
Warriors +210
Nets +700

Lets start the KD injury watch thread... O/U March 11th

we can still accomplish acquiring future assets and rebuilding why letting KD rehab. I still think this is a possibility. And a risk that might be worth taking.

But there is no rehabbing this type of injury. We are not signing 'KD'. That 'KD' doesn't exist anymore. What you're signing is a washed up player who you hope can give you 50% of what that old player was. I don't think most realize how bad this injury is what it means. Would you give Bogdanovic the max? Cause that's the level of player KD is now.

There are different degrees of Achilles tears, the fact that he could flex his ankle multiple is a great sign. If it is completely torn, I can see us being out, but a minor tear? Nah still go in I think.


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[WargamesX]

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I think the Knicks & KD are both too invested regardless of the severity of the injury.

Yeah it's a tough call but I think I am moving back to this position.

Get to rebuild. Have KD around the team while he rehabs. RJ and Knox would benefit a lot having him around. Then he’ll be back for 2020, then they’ll be three years left for to prove he’s back. And even then we’ll likely have another top 5 pick under the wing.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea. We should still pursue.

you clearly have Stockholm syndrome if you think the knicks doing this is a good idea. Its like signing Amare...... but right after he got injured. I'm not talking the next season, I am literally talking a month after the injury so you're paying him a max for a year to sit so that he can play with your team as he enters the end of his career.........

Hell if KD doesn't opt in he's insane cause there is no guarantee he comes back from that injury more than a shadow of his former self.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Hear me out, I just had a thought. Minor epihany or just some food for thought.

One of the reasons that AD apparently has the Knicks on his list over Boston is that we take care of players and are pro-player.

[..other interesting stuff worth reading in KD's post ..]

Who is "we" who have this reputation for taking care of players and being pro-player? The current FO? Fizdale? The Knicks in recent history. (Because no one (players,agents) cares about Ewing-era or before - too long ago.)

And which players? KP? Jo Noah? Willi HG? Kanter? (Maybe even THJ?)

Now - ok you can argue that those players were all ****s and brought on the fall outs they had with the FO. Or maybe you argue that they weren't typical of the typical player in the NBA (lots of not 100% USA for sure). But I don't see this "take care of players" stuff.

And what does it - pro-player/take care of players - actually mean, if anything?

[blanko]

But there is no rehabbing this type of injury. We are not signing 'KD'. That 'KD' doesn't exist anymore. What you're signing is a washed up player who you hope can give you 50% of what that old player was. I don't think most realize how bad this injury is what it means. Would you give Bogdanovic the max? Cause that's the level of player KD is now.

If this comes out that it’s a strained Achilles or partial tear then you need to woosah cuz that KD would still be able to come back.

Did you see that zoomed-in slowmo? It really looked like you could see his whole achillies roll up to his calf.

If his Achilles rolled up his calf, I don’t think he would have been able to flex his ankle multiple times.

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[shtolky]

I keep going back and forth about whether to sign him. We could max him, have some injury protections, not use the other max slot on a big time player (maybe absorb a contract and get assets, or use the space creatively in other ways) and just develop the young guys, get another good pick, and go from there. I have a feeling he will come back, maybe not 100%, but he will still be a top player.

[F N 11]

We get laughed at hard af for signing injured KD calling it now.

[BeagleBoss]

We get laughed at hard af for signing injured KD calling it now.

As we should.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

If I were king of the forest, I would have been taking on salary with draft picks a long time ago with this team. I am not.

[..]

Yes - the FO decisions all appear so disconnected.


Vonleh, Mudiay & Hezonja for $12m. You could have used that space to try to do something. Kanter 18m. Maybe tradeable?

[Noah 18m. I still don't understand why/how the FO have fallen out so badly with 4 centres over the past year and a half, and why they couldn't salvage something from Noah. But that's a different and much discussed story.]

I can't buy the happy lovey get in good with agents and players stuff. How does it help? You give some guys a contract - but if not them then someone else gets them.

So, one way to paint the story is that maybe last off-season the FO thought that the team would be a lot better than they in fact turned out to be - that they'd be a few games out of the playoff spots come late-February/early-March and KP would come back and pull them in to 7th/8th seed. Then him and (a better version of) Hardaway could get some playoff experience - with the help of Kanter, Lee and some of the one year guys actually playing significantly, and then this summer sign a FA into the cap space created by stretching Noah to get a partner for KP and have (the better) Hardaway at a 3rd string - and maybe have space to resign Kanter or one of the one year players - or some other intermediate level player. And all the while develop Knox & Frank and hope something came of Dotson, Trier and Mitch.

But then they had a much worse team than they thought/hoped they would have and so those decisions, particularly over Vonleh, Mudiah, Hezonja and Kanter don't seem to make much sense.

So then the question would be why was the team so much worse than anticipated? Obviously that's some mixture of players not performing as well as expected/hoped, the coaching and the evaluations of the FO not being accurate?realistic? But seeing how that whole story could fit together is tricky.

I think the FO was hoping for a Vonleh, Mud and Mario to breakout. It would be plan B to sign them next season. If they adapt in the team and in the city, they could accept cheaper deals. Mud Cap Hold is not very high. We dont have Birds Rights for Vonleh and Mario. But we could promise them to give a raise after getting their birds rights. Kanter could sign with us for a cheap deal too.

But why sign a cheap deal if you breakout? If you are, eg, Vonleh and you really breakout this is your - probably exactly - one chance to get PAID. Same for the others.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

... To follow up on my post, basically you look at it like paying Kyrie and AD a premium to sign and you get KD as a third scorer at the worst. Like paying KI and AD 50 mil a year instead of 35 mil, if KD can't come back at all, or you pay them that premium and still get a helpful KD, though not quite as great.

At least worth thinking about. It's basically a more expensive version of Ainge's Plan A. So it's not an idea that you don't at least consider.

Not quite as good KD or Middleton?
Really not as good but still somewhat useful KD or Middleton?

[Stannis]

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I think the Knicks & KD are both too invested regardless of the severity of the injury.

This is why I was gauging opinions here. If we had a handshake deal, would we look like the bad guys if we stepped away from KD now, even though it’s probably the right thing to do?
Would that affect how we’re viewed around the league behind the scenes? With other players/agents?
Tricky

I don't get how the Knicks would look the bad guys if they don't sign KD. He's on another team.

I don't think it would make the Knicks look bad at all.

If they had a "handshake" deal, which I don't think is possible unless there was tampering, you could turn it around and say "KD returned too soon when he knew he was going to sign with the Knicks".

[dakomish23]

Some really sad Knicks fans on this board. We committed to a rebuild last year all of sudden it KD or bust, it busted and now we're trashing our young talent.

Yes the Knicks won't be good but they will improve. We have a solid front office.

We should build to be good enough where free agent will help us as oppose to saving us.

We did?

[iLLmatic860]

We get laughed at hard af for signing injured KD calling it now.

What did Knicks fans do to deserve this?. Lmao smh. I cannot even deal and imagine another year of “hope for next season”

[Stannis]

We get laughed at hard af for signing injured KD calling it now.

It's starting to get poetic.

[Fury]

We get laughed at hard af for signing injured KD calling it now.

Nah Durant is a sympathetic figure now

[KnickFan33]

Knicks luck is comedic. What have they done to anger the basketball gods?

[Stannis]

Knicks luck is comedic. What have they done to anger the basketball gods?

Were we really so sure he was going to join the Knicks?