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OT: Democratic Primary Thread

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Who are you voting for?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:48 pm

Joe Biden - I have no idea why, and I also forgot what year it is
18
28%
Bernie Sanders - I am an intelligent human being, and understand Sanders is our last hope and America needs him
38
58%
Tulsi Gabbard (Dropped Out) - Ringo Starr is also my favorite Beatle
9
14%
 
Total votes: 65

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1921 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:18 am

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that's fair and I agree it's something that should be taken seriously by those who decide to partake and like any drug moderation is important

That said I think it's important to mention that selective targeted enforcement of weed especially in black communities has been a big part of the catastrophic war on drugs that has fueled mass incarceration. this structure is something that has destroyed countless lives and families as well as put the felon label on people disproportionately black to prevent their participation in society in housing jobs and voting, even though studies show that drug use is mostly the same across racial lines black people are four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana than white people, so decriminalization would be very important step in ending the war on drugs and dismantling this cruel system. so I think when people weigh it out hopefully they will see that's the bigger concern than people who smoke weed being annoying etc.

also there's always been a lot of hokey mythology about how damaging it is too, just look at something like the 1936 propaganda film reefer madness, a lot of the root cause for making it illegal in the first place was based on 1930s xenophobic hysteria

it's wild to me this is even still an issue in 2020 I figured maybe there would be a couple bible belt holdout states who need to be dragged across the finish line like with everything else but I figured we would have pretty much reached full legalization by now. it's coming though


I agree with those points. It has been the false flag used to boost incarcerations. NY State was the worst back in the day with the Rockefeller laws. Really evil stuff.

For those reasons and to help people medicinally, I support decriminalization. I also support recreational usage, but with penalties for the same things as alcohol in terms of using it responsibly. I'm tired of dudes telling me they are fine driving stoned. Bollocks, that should be punishable IMO



Then you support legalization. :noway:

I deleted the rest of your BS.


What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1922 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:59 pm

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Post#1923 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:00 pm

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Post#1924 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:07 pm

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1925 » by Kampuchea » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:33 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I agree with those points. It has been the false flag used to boost incarcerations. NY State was the worst back in the day with the Rockefeller laws. Really evil stuff.

For those reasons and to help people medicinally, I support decriminalization. I also support recreational usage, but with penalties for the same things as alcohol in terms of using it responsibly. I'm tired of dudes telling me they are fine driving stoned. Bollocks, that should be punishable IMO



Then you support legalization. :noway:

I deleted the rest of your BS.


What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.


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Also, legalize marijuana ASAP. I personally know a number of successful and intelligent people (CEOs CFOs Lawyers) who partake multiple times weekly and some daily. As for me, I can't stand it because it makes me a paranoid vegetable.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1926 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:39 am

Kampuchea wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Then you support legalization. :noway:

I deleted the rest of your BS.


What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.


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Also, legalize marijuana ASAP. I personally know a number of successful and intelligent people (CEOs CFOs Lawyers) who partake multiple times weekly and some daily. As for me, I can't stand it because it makes me a paranoid vegetable.


Yeah, all the stoners are making the roads too slow to drive. Alcohol is okay according to Clyde. Got it.

His is right about one one thing, I will hurt someone to stop them from hurting another person (except Clyde) or myself. That’s how I was taught.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1927 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:08 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.


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Also, legalize marijuana ASAP. I personally know a number of successful and intelligent people (CEOs CFOs Lawyers) who partake multiple times weekly and some daily. As for me, I can't stand it because it makes me a paranoid vegetable.


Yeah, all the stoners are making the roads too slow to drive. Alcohol is okay according to Clyde. Got it.

His is right about one one thing, I will hurt someone to stop them from hurting another person or myself. That’s how I was taught.


How about you stop paraphrasing my POV when you seem incapable of reading what I actually wrote and accurately reporting it?

It was very obvious I meant that anything that applies to penalties for driving drunk should apply to driving under the influence of pot as well. If you think it is a good thing for people to drive stoned then state your opinion and move on.

You're entitled to your own opinion

But your repeated attacks are becoming a drag.

Nobody needs your consistently angry outbursts every time you feel triggered, especially since you're too lazy to actually read or understand what you claim to be angry about.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1928 » by Pointgod » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:07 pm

So instead of just **** on Biden based on idiotic talking points or each other why don’t we talk about the Democratic platform Biden has put out? Here are some exerts.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-07-08/biden-sanders-release-progressive-unity-platform-for-democratic-party

HEALTH

- Re-opening of the Affordable Care Act marketplaces, even outside the normal enrollment system, making it easier for people to buy overage.

- Medicare eligibility at 60, instead of the current 65 years of age.

- A "platinum level" public health care plan with low fees and no deductibles. During the pandemic, low-income people would automatically be enrolled in it at no cost to them.

- Free testing, vaccine and treatment for COVID-19.


CRIMINAL JUSTICE

- End to "the era of mass incarceration" and to the war on drugs, the decriminalization of marijuana and federal legalization of pot for medical use.

- A ban on chokeholds and carotid holds.

- Ending cash bail and withholding of funds to states that continue to use it.


IMMIGRATION

- Keep the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals intact, which shields nearly 700,000 immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally as minors from deportation.

- Path to citizenship for nearly 11 million people living in the U.S.

- No eradication of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), but greater accountability for ICE and Customs and Border Patrol for "inhumane and unlawful treatment" of immigrants.


CLIMATE CHANGE

- Eliminating carbon pollution from power plants by 2035.

- 500 million new solar panels and 60,000 made-in-America wind turbines.

- Transition the entire U.S. fleet of 500,000 school buses to U.S.-made, zero emissions alternatives within five years.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1929 » by robillionaire » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:32 pm

they tried, some of these things are good ideas, but not good enough. especially for a non-binding list of ambitions that we can't trust would ever be implemented. and it also isn't going to stop trump from trying to portray biden as some kind of radical socialist like the above article suggests. That was going to happen no matter what, and it is, facts be damned. i'm sure you will say i'm being stubborn or unwilling to compromise and sure, you are right. We made it clear what we want and that hasn't changed, so they aren't getting any praise from me for this. But maybe they will get some votes out of it.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1930 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:25 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I agree with those points. It has been the false flag used to boost incarcerations. NY State was the worst back in the day with the Rockefeller laws. Really evil stuff.

For those reasons and to help people medicinally, I support decriminalization. I also support recreational usage, but with penalties for the same things as alcohol in terms of using it responsibly. I'm tired of dudes telling me they are fine driving stoned. Bollocks, that should be punishable IMO



Then you support legalization. :noway:

I deleted the rest of your BS.


What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.


LOL, have I ever threatened you? Who here have I threatened?

Dude, I have YOU on IGNORE. You keep coming around snapping my jock strap when I offer criticism or evidence of neoliberal arguments. Then when I check you, you start the name calling. And it's not just me, you do it to other members too. I'm not the one the angry one bro, shall we look up your history here?
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1931 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:10 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Then you support legalization. :noway:

I deleted the rest of your BS.


What can I say, you're just not a good person. You consistently talk about physically harming people and I believe that's actually who you are: a hothead full of half-digested hot takes who regularly flies off the handle and uses threatening speech. I try to work around your bad behavior, but you just can't help yourself.

You have anger issues and I'm tired of dealing with it. I hope the mods start to.


LOL, have I ever threatened you? Who here have I threatened?

Dude, I have YOU on IGNORE. You keep coming around snapping my jock strap when I offer criticism or evidence of neoliberal arguments. Then when I check you, you start the name calling. And it's not just me, you do it to other members too. I'm not the one the angry one bro, shall we look up your history here?


I have nothing more to say to you

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1932 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:26 pm

I didn't even read what your wrote because I have you on IGNORE, Greenie. Please do the same and go away.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1933 » by Fat Kat » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:36 pm

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1934 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:49 pm

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Even in a post-COVID world, he doesn't get it. It's not like we don't have the resources to do this either. We do. Can't let the rich be without their entitlements. And, of course, we can't tax the rich now because they need that money to keep the insurance industry alive. And around and around we go.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1935 » by Phish Tank » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:58 pm

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Even in a post-COVID world, he doesn't get it. It's not like we don't have the resources to do this either. We do. Can't let the rich be without their entitlements. And, of course, we can't tax the rich now because they need that money to keep the insurance industry alive. And around and around we go.


Wingo, you may not be alive when this change does happen (maybe not me either) :lol:

I'd like someone to just say "F U" to republicans and the insurance industry and just pass a full out medicare for all in a state like Ohio or Texas or one of those red states. Then I want that governor to say "F U" to everyone who files a lawsuit, drain out all their funds (as in the plaintiffs and judges) in the way of tax audits, assessments, and other threats - and just be defiant.

Once a non-liberal state tries this and is victorious, then we have some semblance of hopes.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1936 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:47 pm

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Even in a post-COVID world, he doesn't get it. It's not like we don't have the resources to do this either. We do. Can't let the rich be without their entitlements. And, of course, we can't tax the rich now because they need that money to keep the insurance industry alive. And around and around we go.


Wingo, you may not be alive when this change does happen (maybe not me either) :lol:

I'd like someone to just say "F U" to republicans and the insurance industry and just pass a full out medicare for all in a state like Ohio or Texas or one of those red states. Then I want that governor to say "F U" to everyone who files a lawsuit, drain out all their funds (as in the plaintiffs and judges) in the way of tax audits, assessments, and other threats - and just be defiant.

Once a non-liberal state tries this and is victorious, then we have some semblance of hopes.


Meh. My dad is 98 and doing his 4 different stretch-band exercises 3x/wk. Mom is 87. But these Trump supporters still might do me in. Depending on how it looks in 15 years, I may bid an early goodbye to this mess. I decide when I go, no one else! :lol:

What's with the lawsuits? What happens when the doctor amputates the wrong leg? And, more importantly, how Wingo earn a living? :D
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1937 » by Phish Tank » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:01 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Even in a post-COVID world, he doesn't get it. It's not like we don't have the resources to do this either. We do. Can't let the rich be without their entitlements. And, of course, we can't tax the rich now because they need that money to keep the insurance industry alive. And around and around we go.


Wingo, you may not be alive when this change does happen (maybe not me either) :lol:

I'd like someone to just say "F U" to republicans and the insurance industry and just pass a full out medicare for all in a state like Ohio or Texas or one of those red states. Then I want that governor to say "F U" to everyone who files a lawsuit, drain out all their funds (as in the plaintiffs and judges) in the way of tax audits, assessments, and other threats - and just be defiant.

Once a non-liberal state tries this and is victorious, then we have some semblance of hopes.


Meh. My dad is 98 and doing his 4 different stretch-band exercises 3x/wk. Mom is 87. But these Trump supporters still might do me in. Depending on how it looks in 15 years, I may bid an early goodbye to this mess. I decide when I go, no one else! :lol:

What's with the lawsuits? What happens when the doctor amputates the wrong leg? And, more importantly, how Wingo earn a living? :D

Oh I’m talking when republicans file lawsuits claiming Medicare for All is unconstitutional.... I want to ruin republican lives forever...


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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1938 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:26 am

Phish Tank wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Wingo, you may not be alive when this change does happen (maybe not me either) :lol:

I'd like someone to just say "F U" to republicans and the insurance industry and just pass a full out medicare for all in a state like Ohio or Texas or one of those red states. Then I want that governor to say "F U" to everyone who files a lawsuit, drain out all their funds (as in the plaintiffs and judges) in the way of tax audits, assessments, and other threats - and just be defiant.

Once a non-liberal state tries this and is victorious, then we have some semblance of hopes.


Meh. My dad is 98 and doing his 4 different stretch-band exercises 3x/wk. Mom is 87. But these Trump supporters still might do me in. Depending on how it looks in 15 years, I may bid an early goodbye to this mess. I decide when I go, no one else! :lol:

What's with the lawsuits? What happens when the doctor amputates the wrong leg? And, more importantly, how Wingo earn a living? :D

Oh I’m talking when republicans file lawsuits claiming Medicare for All is unconstitutional.... I want to ruin republican lives forever...

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1939 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:28 pm

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#1940 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:22 pm

GONYK wrote:
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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious


One is perhaps the greatest liar of all time, the other isn't. Is this really where we're at?
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