2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[mpharris36]

I'm going over to youtube to watch the Okoro highlights to for the 5th time in the last 3 weeks.

he's special, man. i'm not losing sleep over his jumper. this the kind of guy to be good without it and GREAT with it.

thread back in Feb 2nd...hop on people

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I'm starting to get on the Okoro train...I think he has insane potential

[RHODEY]

Maybe it's just me... but why is the assumption that we reached out to Cleveland for Okoro @ 5 when it's a 50/50 that he'll be there for us @ 8. All the report stated was that the 2 teams have been in talks of a trade with Okoro being the target. Could it be that the Cavaliers are thinking Okoro will be there @ 8 and are trying to get assets from the Knicks to move up to #5?
Most mocks have the same top 5 Deni, Hayes or Toppin to go along with the big 3. Many mocks like SI https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/10/14/nba-mock-draft-projections-post-finals

have Okoro being available.... I (my .02) just can't see why NY would move up just 3 spots to take someone who might be there at 8. Just makes more sense for Cleveland... they want Okoro- just not @ 5.

If that is truly the case... I wonder who NY would target @ 5. I find those 2 talking as weird

My guess (or maybe hopes) is that the Knicks want Deni or Hayes.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yeah anyone with a little espn insider with a breakdown of what he had to say?

I have the athletic not ESPN


we can share notes

it's really just as the title suggests.

-advanced analytics cases for sustainability of haliburton's productivity
-he is MR. intangibles, including leadership and team building
-the better, more functional a team is, the better his production will appear at first. he would thrive in GS.
-haliburton takes exception to the low ceiling suggestion. he agrees he has the highest floor.

pretty good read, actually. and i am nowhere near as down on haliburton as lots of us are. i'd welcome him with open arms, especially if we're not passing on someone i feel strongly about. honestly, at 8, there isn't anyone that makes me feel like picking haliburton would be some kind of huge mistake. we'd have to pass on like, ball or wiseman for me to feel that way. i'd be shocked if they passed on killian for him, but i'd suspect they'd have reason.

if a FO with walt perrin takes hali and runs at 8, i'm living with that.

As you can see below in my sig I am not down on Haliburton either. It sounds they are saying he is a more souped up frank on offense. Even though frank isn't good on offense yet it just seems like the offense run well with him. He gets us into our sets and gets the ball where it needs to go. He just doesn't have the firer power that it looks Haliburton has on the offensive end.

i think it's fair to say haliburton has already actualized a lot of frank's offensive package potential. haliburton also has the killer instinct you wish you saw from frank. like, he's coming into the league with a chip on his shoulder and ready for the smoke. i know he can't wait to let it fly early. and the league is more suited to a player like him than we think.

frank's defensive package is on some other schidt. haliburton is a willing defender, but doesn't have frank's talent and physical tools here. i do see why they're compared though.

[Manhattan Project]

I'd love to get Okoro, he's one of my three at 8 since the beginning. As long as you know you need patience with him, he's an excellent pick. He'd bring perimeter defense that we desperately need, good off the ball movement and just brings energy. It's easy to envision him, Frank and Mitch on the floor putting clamps on opposing teams, we'd just really to need to score in transition or pair them with someone whose a good iso scorer.

[Juco24]

Maybe it's just me... but why is the assumption that we reached out to Cleveland for Okoro @ 5 when it's a 50/50 that he'll be there for us @ 8. All the report stated was that the 2 teams have been in talks of a trade with Okoro being the target. Could it be that the Cavaliers are thinking Okoro will be there @ 8 and are trying to get assets from the Knicks to move up to #5?
Most mocks have the same top 5 Deni, Hayes or Toppin to go along with the big 3. Many mocks like SI https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/10/14/nba-mock-draft-projections-post-finals

have Okoro being available.... I (my .02) just can't see why NY would move up just 3 spots to take someone who might be there at 8. Just makes more sense for Cleveland... they want Okoro- just not @ 5.

If that is truly the case... I wonder who NY would target @ 5. I find those 2 talking as weird

My guess (or maybe hopes) is that the Knicks want Deni or Hayes.

THAT MAKES SENSE and I agree with your hopes

[Jeff Van Gully]

Maybe it's just me... but why is the assumption that we reached out to Cleveland for Okoro @ 5 when it's a 50/50 that he'll be there for us @ 8. All the report stated was that the 2 teams have been in talks of a trade with Okoro being the target. Could it be that the Cavaliers are thinking Okoro will be there @ 8 and are trying to get assets from the Knicks to move up to #5?
Most mocks have the same top 5 Deni, Hayes or Toppin to go along with the big 3. Many mocks like SI https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/10/14/nba-mock-draft-projections-post-finals

have Okoro being available.... I (my .02) just can't see why NY would move up just 3 spots to take someone who might be there at 8. Just makes more sense for Cleveland... they want Okoro- just not @ 5.

If that is truly the case... I wonder who NY would target @ 5. I find those 2 talking as weird

My guess (or maybe hopes) is that the Knicks want Deni or Hayes.

i'm not trading up to 5 unless something crazy like lamelo or wiseman drops. even then i'm not sold on doing it. someone interesting enough should be on the table at 8 to not be wild thirsty right now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah anyone with a little espn insider with a breakdown of what he had to say?

I have the athletic not ESPN


we can share notes

it's really just as the title suggests.

-advanced analytics cases for sustainability of haliburton's productivity
-he is MR. intangibles, including leadership and team building
-the better, more functional a team is, the better his production will appear at first. he would thrive in GS.
-haliburton takes exception to the low ceiling suggestion. he agrees he has the highest floor.

pretty good read, actually. and i am nowhere near as down on haliburton as lots of us are. i'd welcome him with open arms, especially if we're not passing on someone i feel strongly about. honestly, at 8, there isn't anyone that makes me feel like picking haliburton would be some kind of huge mistake. we'd have to pass on like, ball or wiseman for me to feel that way. i'd be shocked if they passed on killian for him, but i'd suspect they'd have reason.

if a FO with walt perrin takes hali and runs at 8, i'm living with that.

As you can see below in my sig I am not down on Haliburton either. It sounds they are saying he is a more souped up frank on offense. Even though frank isn't good on offense yet it just seems like the offense run well with him. He gets us into our sets and gets the ball where it needs to go. He just doesn't have the firer power that it looks Haliburton has on the offensive end.

Yea, I really like Haliburton. Think people def underrate his upside a little bit too.

[TheGreenArrow]

Hawks guy says thibs is in love with okoro.

[Juco24]

Nevermind... ATL dude said Thibs is in love with Butler part deux ie Okoro

[Jeff Van Gully]

I'd love to get Okoro, he's one of my three at 8 since the beginning. As long as you know you need patience with him, he's an excellent pick. He'd bring perimeter defense that we desperately need, good off the ball movement and just brings energy. It's easy to envision him, Frank and Mitch on the floor putting clamps on opposing teams, we'd just really to need to score in transition or pair them with someone whose a good iso scorer.

shoot. RJ too. that's a nightmare defense.

if you went youth, you'd desperately need all three (frank, okoro, RJ) to hit open jumpers. and you need a release valve stretch 4. not sure how fixable randle's long-range shooting is. but i'd also give knox a shot at that role. give them all the thibs juice.

that's if FVV doesn't want to sign on. i'd just keep the bread and let thibs beat the hell out of these kids for a year.

[thebuzzardman]

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[thebuzzardman]

Why wouldn't the GSW's just take Okoro to be a young Iggy replacement?

[DOT]

Maybe it's just me... but why is the assumption that we reached out to Cleveland for Okoro @ 5 when it's a 50/50 that he'll be there for us @ 8. All the report stated was that the 2 teams have been in talks of a trade with Okoro being the target. Could it be that the Cavaliers are thinking Okoro will be there @ 8 and are trying to get assets from the Knicks to move up to #5?
Most mocks have the same top 5 Deni, Hayes or Toppin to go along with the big 3. Many mocks like SI https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/10/14/nba-mock-draft-projections-post-finals

have Okoro being available.... I (my .02) just can't see why NY would move up just 3 spots to take someone who might be there at 8. Just makes more sense for Cleveland... they want Okoro- just not @ 5.

If that is truly the case... I wonder who NY would target @ 5. I find those 2 talking as weird

My guess (or maybe hopes) is that the Knicks want Deni or Hayes.

[mpharris36]

I know people will say jimmy butler but okoro to me ceiling is More so Andre iguodala which is still high praise of a player comp. prime dala on the sixers was a beast. Every year somebody is crowned the next jimmy butler or kawhi its no different than every tall athletic Euro with a 3 pointer getting crowned the next porzingis.

i see where iggy comes in. i like that comp to a degree. i think he is stylistically a mix of both guys on offense. he doesn't purport to shoot the three with the confidence (even if misguided) that iggy did early in his career. but he has that athleticism.

i think he would try to eat inside and midrange like butler does. but he's got more wiggle and bounce, a la young iggy. this kid is a hell of an athlete and strong as a damn bull. combine that with his mentality... i don't recommend passing on this guy once you get past that 5 or so pick.

insane moter too. He will be able to check 1-3. And he is a sneaky good playmaker and good finisher too. Just get that 3 into the low to mid 30's and he will be a big time player in the NBA. Tough wont be afraid of playing in the garden either.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

Hawks guy says thibs is in love with okoro.

.

makes too much sense. that dude is a thibs dream come true. wouldn't be surprised in the slightest or disappointed.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd love to get Okoro, he's one of my three at 8 since the beginning. As long as you know you need patience with him, he's an excellent pick. He'd bring perimeter defense that we desperately need, good off the ball movement and just brings energy. It's easy to envision him, Frank and Mitch on the floor putting clamps on opposing teams, we'd just really to need to score in transition or pair them with someone whose a good iso scorer.

shoot. RJ too. that's a nightmare defense.

if you went youth, you'd desperately need all three (frank, okoro, RJ) to hit open jumpers. and you need a release valve stretch 4. not sure how fixable randle's long-range shooting is. but i'd also give knox a shot at that role. give them all the thibs juice.

that's if FVV doesn't want to sign on. i'd just keep the bread and let thibs beat the hell out of these kids for a year.

[3toheadmelo]

it's really just as the title suggests.

-advanced analytics cases for sustainability of haliburton's productivity
-he is MR. intangibles, including leadership and team building
-the better, more functional a team is, the better his production will appear at first. he would thrive in GS.
-haliburton takes exception to the low ceiling suggestion. he agrees he has the highest floor.

pretty good read, actually. and i am nowhere near as down on haliburton as lots of us are. i'd welcome him with open arms, especially if we're not passing on someone i feel strongly about. honestly, at 8, there isn't anyone that makes me feel like picking haliburton would be some kind of huge mistake. we'd have to pass on like, ball or wiseman for me to feel that way. i'd be shocked if they passed on killian for him, but i'd suspect they'd have reason.

if a FO with walt perrin takes hali and runs at 8, i'm living with that.

As you can see below in my sig I am not down on Haliburton either. It sounds they are saying he is a more souped up frank on offense. Even though frank isn't good on offense yet it just seems like the offense run well with him. He gets us into our sets and gets the ball where it needs to go. He just doesn't have the firer power that it looks Haliburton has on the offensive end.

i think it's fair to say haliburton has already actualized a lot of frank's offensive package potential. haliburton also has the killer instinct you wish you saw from frank. like, he's coming into the league with a chip on his shoulder and ready for the smoke. i know he can't wait to let it fly early. and the league is more suited to a player like him than we think.

frank's defensive package is on some other schidt. haliburton is a willing defender, but doesn't have frank's talent and physical tools here. i do see why they're compared though.

Yeah he’s a lot better than Frank in so many ways. I wouldn’t mind him as the pick. I would rock with a DSJ x Haliburton back court for the season and see what happens. Let Frank get backup minutes at the 1 and 2 (should be like 20-25).

[Juco24]

Hawks guy says thibs is in love with okoro.

Beat me to it. Lol

[Capn'O]

Cade Cunningham

I liked the Rondo rumor, if he is amenable. His current talent level isn't enough to push us from the rebuilding path but if he is willing to take on a mentorship role it could be a great asset to the rebuild. He has already sealed his playing legacy as a major contributor towards two championships. This could be a path towards life after playing aka coaching.

Even though I'm a huge Hayes fan, I could get on board with an Okoro pick even if we have to move up to do it. Honestly, if there's a guy we feel is at that level at Pick 5 we have the assets to not let him get away. Just get him.

You don’t think Rondo stays with the Lakers?

Dunno. But that's how I'd try to sell him on not doing it.

[stuporman]

I'm going over to youtube to watch the Okoro highlights to for the 5th time in the last 3 weeks.

His jump shot doesn't get any better the more you watch....