2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

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NYP barking up the wrong tree if opinion thought Trump cares how he is remembered. It drives me insane how often people try to use human logic on him.

[Dr Positivity]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

[dakomish23]

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I’ve said it in our threads and everywhere else: this is the former GOP now QAnonsense party.

Well, I was wrong on the new name.

It’s official. They are burning down the Republican Party. Good. They were happy to have this shameless obnoxious brat push through their REGRESSIVE agenda items and never thought what would happen when the beast turned on them.

We are headed to a 3 party system.

The Trump party which includes MAGAland and the self proclaimed libertarians.

The middle, which will now include a lot of Republicans.

The progressives.

We’ll see how this plays out. But good luck Mitch

[dakomish23]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

I’m a republican by registration but I believe in the green movement & healthcare for all. I also hate Trumpism.

What does that make me?

Besides 1 of 81 million

[spree2kawhi]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

If you go by the words it's very much possible. Liberalism isn't necessarily only a good thing. If you give freedom to corporations, you might pay a steep price regarding working conditions. Wherever you deregulate, someone will abuse freedoms. Elsewhere in the world, liberalism is by and large interpreted as mostly corporate thinking.

Btw, elsewhere in the world, where the reality is a high living and social security standard - think northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany) - you find progressive politics, but dogmatic or simply put stupid US conservatives prefer calling that socialist.

[Dr Positivity]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

If you go by the words it's very much possible. Liberalism isn't necessarily only a good thing. If you give freedom to corporations, you might pay a steep price regarding working conditions. Wherever you deregulate, someone will abuse freedoms. Elsewhere in the world, liberalism is by and large interpreted as mostly corporate thinking.

Btw, elsewhere in the world, where the reality is a high living and social security standard - think northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany) - you find progressive politics, but dogmatic or simply put stupid US conservatives prefer calling that socialist.

I would argue the cancel culture people are illiberal progressives. Censorship is illiberal but they also desire change.

I feel using the words liberals and conservatives as opposites is now outdated, it's really progressive vs conservative that are opposites. You could argue MAGA is a liberal conservative movement.

[spree2kawhi]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

If you go by the words it's very much possible. Liberalism isn't necessarily only a good thing. If you give freedom to corporations, you might pay a steep price regarding working conditions. Wherever you deregulate, someone will abuse freedoms. Elsewhere in the world, liberalism is by and large interpreted as mostly corporate thinking.

Btw, elsewhere in the world, where the reality is a high living and social security standard - think northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany) - you find progressive politics, but dogmatic or simply put stupid US conservatives prefer calling that socialist.

I would argue the cancel culture people are illiberal progressives. Censorship is illiberal but they also desire change.

I feel using the words liberals and conservatives as opposites is now outdated, it's really progressive vs conservative that are opposites. You could argue MAGA is a liberal conservative movement.

However, you should argue that MAGA is an egocentric, immature, xenophobic-idiot movement.

[thebuzzardman]

It's real Orwellian stuff when they do that, just talking crap completely devoid of context, historical context. I actually find it frightening, when it's not pissing me off.

It's all based on the assumption that "I'm a good person," which I think all or nearly all people have

Like, most everyone agrees racism is bad. Therefore, if you are a racist or support racists, you're a bad person. But since you know you're a good person, that means you can't be racist, or you can't support racism

It's the same way flat-earthers or any other cult-like belief works. Start with the conclusion (the earth is flat, I'm a good person therefore not racist), and then find evidence that supports that while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. Instead of the scientific method which would be asking, is the earth flat or am I actually being racist, and look at all the evidence before coming to a conclusion

There's a saying in Germany, that if you walk into a room with 11 people sitting at a table all conversing together, and one of them is a Nazi, there are 11 Nazis at the table. For those who don't understand the point, it's that when you allow those who are intolerant (Nazis, white supremacists, etc) into your group and allow them to participate, you're giving tacit approval of their ideas. Paradox of tolerance, if you want to read more

Not all racists are Republicans, I'm sure there are some racist Dems. In fact, I know that to be so. But only one party actively invites racists and neo-Nazis into their ranks with open arms while knowing exactly who they are, and burying your head in the sand and voting for that party regardless makes one complicit.

This is how racism rears its ugly head in an everyday context. Check out the fallout in this case. Good for her or was it over the top?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=US%20News

A Racial Slur, a Viral Video, and a Reckoning
A white high school student withdrew from her chosen college after a three-second video caused an uproar online. The classmate who shared it publicly has no regrets.

By Dan Levin
Dec. 26, 2020

LEESBURG, Va. — Jimmy Galligan was in history class last school year when his phone buzzed with a message. Once he clicked on it, he found a three-second video of a white classmate looking into the camera and uttering an anti-Black racial slur.

The slur, he said, was regularly hurled in classrooms and hallways throughout his years in the Loudoun County school district. He had brought the issue up to teachers and administrators but, much to his anger and frustration, his complaints had gone nowhere.

So he held on to the video, which was sent to him by a friend, and made a decision that would ricochet across Leesburg, Va., a town named for an ancestor of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee and whose school system had fought an order to desegregate for more than a decade after the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling.

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Ah Loudoun county. About 20 minutes due north of me. VERY privileged area. Traveled there for football games with my son. Lots of 2nd trophy wives, snotty white kids, real d*cks on the playing field.

Beautiful country though. Col Mosby enjoyed it for all the guerilla war he could wage from there.

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NYP barking up the wrong tree if opinion thought Trump cares how he is remembered. It drives me insane how often people try to use human logic on him.

Once the malignant cancer is finally removed from the Whitehouse the media needs to do a very detailed post mortem about how they completely **** up covering Trump.

Like the people who voted for him, it’s hard for people to admit they got conned including all the people in the media that attributed Trump’s win to anything other than racism, tribalism, disinformation and general apathy.

[dakomish23]

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[dakomish23]

They call Dems communists but quote Stalin?

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[Pointgod]

Desperate

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Louie Gohmert the dumbest member of Congress had signed onto this lawsuit. It’s destined to fail.

[dakomish23]

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Louie Gohmert the dumbest member of Congress had signed onto this lawsuit. It’s destined to fail.

Why are Dems placating these children? Time to light them up

[Pointgod]

A question for people here... do you think it's possible to be an illiberal progressive?

If you go by the words it's very much possible. Liberalism isn't necessarily only a good thing. If you give freedom to corporations, you might pay a steep price regarding working conditions. Wherever you deregulate, someone will abuse freedoms. Elsewhere in the world, liberalism is by and large interpreted as mostly corporate thinking.

Btw, elsewhere in the world, where the reality is a high living and social security standard - think northern Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany) - you find progressive politics, but dogmatic or simply put stupid US conservatives prefer calling that socialist.

I would argue the cancel culture people are illiberal progressives. Censorship is illiberal but they also desire change.

I feel using the words liberals and conservatives as opposites is now outdated, it's really progressive vs conservative that are opposites. You could argue MAGA is a liberal conservative movement.

There is no such thing as cancel culture. If you’re an Ass hope and I call you an **** that’s not cancel culture

[Pointgod]

Keep in mind Trump still hasn’t said anything.....

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[Oscirus]

They call Dems communists but quote Stalin?

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If only gore knew of such things

[Pointgod]

They call Dems communists but quote Stalin?

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I wonder if polling aggregators like 538 will ever include Rasmussen and Trafalgar Group in their polls moving forward. It’s hard to position yourself as a serious operation when you’ve shown a disgusting amount of bias (Trafalger) and you’re supporting the actual subversion of Democracy (Rasmussen)

[HarthorneWingo]

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Shazam!

[Clyde_Style]

They call Dems communists but quote Stalin?

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I wonder if polling aggregators like 538 will ever include Rasmussen and Trafalgar Group in their polls moving forward. It’s hard to position yourself as a serious operation when you’ve shown a disgusting amount of bias (Trafalger) and you’re supporting the actual subversion of Democracy (Rasmussen)

Good question. The whole giving equal time to fascist aholes rule did not work out so well for publications like the NY Times and it should have no role in polling reports like 538.

Rassmussen was not credible before, but quoting Stalin and partaking in sedition does more than discredit them. It's disgusting.

[dakomish23]

They call Dems communists but quote Stalin?

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I wonder if polling aggregators like 538 will ever include Rasmussen and Trafalgar Group in their polls moving forward. It’s hard to position yourself as a serious operation when you’ve shown a disgusting amount of bias (Trafalger) and you’re supporting the actual subversion of Democracy (Rasmussen)

Good question. The whole giving equal time to fascist aholes rule did not work out so well for publications like the NY Times and it should have no role in polling reports like 538.

Rassmussen was not credible before, but quoting Stalin and partaking in sedition does more than discredit them. It's disgusting.

At least the primary model isn’t full blown hysterical despite their desperation to ignore the context that President Trump went uncontested