2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[KnixinSix]

We're not going after KAT, I don't think.

I think the course is clear; we'll get Murray and possibly a backup center before the trade deadline, then flip Murray (and more) for Embiid or Spida this offseason once their teams hopefully/inevitably flame out in the playoffs. Once that happens, we fill out the roster with a backup guard. We'll be contenders starting with the 2024-2025 season.

I think Mitch and Fournier (and many/most of our FRPs) are gone by the end of this summer.

You absolutely could be right...Getting KAT is a risk because that contract is untradeable. You are basically 'stuck' with him for better or for worse at that point.

Murray seems like the NOW move (which won't dry up our mini treasure trove of assets) with one of Embiid, Mitchell or even Booker being the end game depending on which team underwhelms relative to expectations and their superstar becomes available.

[cgf]

We're not going after KAT, I don't think.

I think the course is clear; we'll get Murray and possibly a backup center before the trade deadline, then flip Murray (and more) for Embiid or Spida this offseason once their teams hopefully/inevitably flame out in the playoffs. Once that happens, we fill out the roster with a backup guard. And contend starting with the 2024-2025 season.

I think Mitch and Fournier (and many/most of our FRPs) are gone by the end of this summer.

There's a big difference between getting Embiid and getting Mitchell.

No kidding, Embiid is obviously the bigger prize. It's why I'm hoping for another epic failure for the Sixers this postseason.

Yeah, Embiid would be worth cracking the warchest for. But I just don't see why people are so thirsty for Mitchell. I'd love to have him or Brunson on the court at all times...but not if it cost us Grimes or any future unprotected FRPs, we need to save those for someone like Embiid.

Booker is the cutoff for me, I'm just not giving up our premium pieces for anyone who's not as good as Booker.

[KnixinSix]

We're not going after KAT, I don't think.

I think the course is clear; we'll get Murray and possibly a backup center before the trade deadline, then flip Murray (and more) for Embiid or Spida this offseason once their teams hopefully/inevitably flame out in the playoffs. Once that happens, we fill out the roster with a backup guard. And contend starting with the 2024-2025 season.

I think Mitch and Fournier (and many/most of our FRPs) are gone by the end of this summer.

There's a big difference between getting Embiid and getting Mitchell.

No kidding, Embiid is obviously the bigger prize. It's why I'm hoping for another epic failure for the Sixers this postseason.

Nurse is a very good coach but that team needs a bit more to beat Celts and/or Bucks.

[Ursusamericanus]

We're not going after KAT, I don't think.

I think the course is clear; we'll get Murray and possibly a backup center before the trade deadline, then flip Murray (and more) for Embiid or Spida this offseason once their teams hopefully/inevitably flame out in the playoffs. Once that happens, we fill out the roster with a backup guard. We'll be contenders starting with the 2024-2025 season.

I think Mitch and Fournier (and many/most of our FRPs) are gone by the end of this summer.

You absolutely could be right...Getting KAT is a risk because that contract is untradeable. You are basically 'stuck' with him for better or for worse at that point.

Murray seems like the NOW move (which won't dry up our mini treasure trove of assets) with one of Embiid, Mitchell or even Booker being the end game depending on which team underwhelms relative to expectations and their superstar becomes available.

I'd love to get Embiid or Booker. Spida is great but I'm less enthused about his fit.

[KnixinSix]

There's a big difference between getting Embiid and getting Mitchell.

No kidding, Embiid is obviously the bigger prize. It's why I'm hoping for another epic failure for the Sixers this postseason.

Yeah, Embiid would be worth cracking the warchest for. But I just don't see why people are so thirsty for Mitchell. I'd love to have him or Brunson on the court at all times...but not if it cost us Grimes or any future unprotected FRPs, we need to save those for someone like Embiid.

Booker is the cutoff for me, I'm just not giving up our premium pieces for anyone who's not as good as Booker.

Agreed Embiid is the crown jewel that would fit our roster and system perfectly with Brunson.

Agreed Booker would be the better get over Mitchell.

I really like Mitchell though and while I'd prefer the other 2, now with OG , Hart,DDV I think we have enough defense to compensate.

[Ursusamericanus]

There's a big difference between getting Embiid and getting Mitchell.

No kidding, Embiid is obviously the bigger prize. It's why I'm hoping for another epic failure for the Sixers this postseason.

Yeah, Embiid would be worth cracking the warchest for. But I just don't see why people are so thirsty for Mitchell. I'd love to have him or Brunson on the court at all times...but not if it cost us Grimes or any future unprotected FRPs, we need to save those for someone like Embiid.

Booker is the cutoff for me, I'm just not giving up our premium pieces for anyone who's not as good as Booker.

Yeah, I'm less enthused about Spida than I am about Booker and especially Embiid. Embiid is a seriously big fish if we net him... and I think he has the right play style and personality for our squad and for NY media. Especially now that he's matured a bit and is very much in win-now mode. About to be 30.

[cgf]

No kidding, Embiid is obviously the bigger prize. It's why I'm hoping for another epic failure for the Sixers this postseason.

Yeah, Embiid would be worth cracking the warchest for. But I just don't see why people are so thirsty for Mitchell. I'd love to have him or Brunson on the court at all times...but not if it cost us Grimes or any future unprotected FRPs, we need to save those for someone like Embiid.

Booker is the cutoff for me, I'm just not giving up our premium pieces for anyone who's not as good as Booker.

Agreed Embiid is the crown jewel that would fit our roster and system perfectly with Brunson.

Agreed Booker would be the better get over Mitchell.

I really like Mitchell though and while I'd prefer the other 2, now with OG , Hart,DDV I think we have enough defense to compensate.

Mitchell just isn't good enough to turn us into contenders. I wouldn't say no to him on the cheap for the same reasons I'm down for Lavine, but Mitchell is not gunna be cheap. And it would really suck if we missed out on someone like Embiid or Luka...who could turn us contenders...because we blew our wad on someone like Mitchell.

[nykballa2k4]

To me its the opposite, I think Murray looks taller..because he is in fact longer. 6'10" wingspan versus 6'8" wingspan.

I mean, when I've seen them play, I've felt Grimes looked like a thinner Butler whereas Murray always looked like a combo guard size. But wingspan doesn't always show in height. Maybe Grimes has a taller torso and that has me biased?

Longer winpspan = taller. I win the end!

lol, lies! functionally you are correct. For the most part in the NBA your real size is your standing reach and your weight. But when it comes to the TV and how matchups look... Grimes looks taller. He always has that like super upright posture though...

[Ursusamericanus]

We play the Sixers on Friday, might be a good chance to impress Embiid.

[TrueWarrior]

If the main plan for getting Dejounte is to eventually flip him for a better player then I wouldnt hate that.

So trade Grimes, Fournier, and a couple picks for Dejounte, then package Dejounte and any remaining firsts for Embiid, Booker, DMitchell or whoever (with Embiid as the main target). Maybe throw Mitch or Julius in there to save picks.

I just doubt these other teams really covet Dejounte that much, especially since his impact on winning and attitude are certainly questionable. Seems better to save our picks since theyd be more valuable to a team whod want to rebuild, and see if Donte and Grimes can hold the 2 spot down.

[RHODEY]

I mean, when I've seen them play, I've felt Grimes looked like a thinner Butler whereas Murray always looked like a combo guard size. But wingspan doesn't always show in height. Maybe Grimes has a taller torso and that has me biased?

Longer winpspan = taller. I win the end!

lol, lies! functionally you are correct. For the most part in the NBA your real size is your standing reach and your weight. But when it comes to the TV and how matchups look... Grimes looks taller. He always has that like super upright posture though...

Grimes looks shorter because he is fatter. Murray is longer and stronger.

[nykballa2k4]

Longer winpspan = taller. I win the end!

lol, lies! functionally you are correct. For the most part in the NBA your real size is your standing reach and your weight. But when it comes to the TV and how matchups look... Grimes looks taller. He always has that like super upright posture though...

Grimes looks shorter because he is fatter. Murray is longer and stronger.

Very well then

[Jalen Bluntson]

If the main plan for getting Dejounte is to eventually flip him for a better player then I wouldnt hate that.

So trade Grimes, Fournier, and a couple picks for Dejounte, then package Dejounte and any remaining firsts for Embiid, Booker, DMitchell or whoever (with Embiid as the main target). Maybe throw Mitch or Julius in there to save picks.

I just doubt these other teams really covet Dejounte that much, especially since his impact on winning and attitude are certainly questionable. Seems better to save our picks since theyd be more valuable to a team whod want to rebuild, and see if Donte and Grimes can hold the 2 spot down.

Save our picks for what? The draft this year? I didn't know DJM was an attitude problem type of player. That shyt won't fly here. Still, he consolidates what we need from Grimes and Deuce with possibly better production.

I'm concerned with flipping Evans expiring salary into the future, getting a backup 4/5 with actual talent and, we have to use this years draft picks. Whoever makes the most sense that we can get, do it. I'm ok with drafting at least one player this year too. There's plenty of ways to go about this but, this season cannot be punted either. Fix the holes to stay in the playoffs before we slide to play in territory or worse because we ignore the glaring holes we have trying to cheap out.

[Big Chan]

To pull off big trades you need big contracts, there has to be salary ballast. Once we dump Fournier we won’t have any of these contracts unless we want to trade Hart or Dvo which will piss off Jalen and be bad for team morale.

It’s important to get a player WITH Dejounte if we trade for him. I would target Bey and re-sign him so we have his contract to use in a future trade as well. Maybe like 15M a season?

Fournier
Grimes
NYK 2024 pick top 10 protected
Was pick
Mil pick

Murray
Bey

[TrueWarrior]

If the main plan for getting Dejounte is to eventually flip him for a better player then I wouldnt hate that.

So trade Grimes, Fournier, and a couple picks for Dejounte, then package Dejounte and any remaining firsts for Embiid, Booker, DMitchell or whoever (with Embiid as the main target). Maybe throw Mitch or Julius in there to save picks.

I just doubt these other teams really covet Dejounte that much, especially since his impact on winning and attitude are certainly questionable. Seems better to save our picks since theyd be more valuable to a team whod want to rebuild, and see if Donte and Grimes can hold the 2 spot down.

Save our picks for what? The draft this year? I didn't know DJM was an attitude problem type of player. That shyt won't fly here. Still, he consolidates what we need from Grimes and Deuce with possibly better production.

I'm concerned with flipping Evans expiring salary into the future, getting a backup 4/5 with actual talent and, we have to use this years draft picks. Whoever makes the most sense that we can get, do it. I'm ok with drafting at least one player this year too. There's plenty of ways to go about this but, this season cannot be punted either. Fix the holes to stay in the playoffs before we slide to play in territory or worse because we ignore the glaring holes we have trying to cheap out.

First we need to see if Grimes and Donte can rise to the occasion. Wouldnt be smart to rush into a trading some of our last real assets for a borderline guy like Dejounte when maybe they can do the job more than well enough.

Why is Dejounte being moved twice in less than 2 years, with his teams being bad, if hes so good? Would he be happy being a 3rd option/6th man here also? And yeah he has some mentality issues. See the quotes cgf has posted the last few pages from Spurs and Hawks posters who watch him play. He does and says some weird stuff that doesnt fit into our style, so hed have to change.

Ill have to see what Leon cooks up before caring about this too much. All I know is Dejounte and OG obviously arent enough. OG is a winning type player though, while Im unsure about Dejounte.

[RHODEY]

To pull off big trades you need big contracts, there has to be salary ballast. Once we dump Fournier we won’t have any of these contracts unless we want to trade Hart or Dvo which will piss off Jalen and be bad for team morale.

It’s important to get a player WITH Dejounte if we trade for him. I would target Bey and re-sign him so we have his contract to use in a future trade as well. Maybe like 15M a season?

Nice and Bey would give us a backup wing...but now I'm hearing that if the Hawks get Siakim, Murray isn't going anywhere.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If the main plan for getting Dejounte is to eventually flip him for a better player then I wouldnt hate that.

So trade Grimes, Fournier, and a couple picks for Dejounte, then package Dejounte and any remaining firsts for Embiid, Booker, DMitchell or whoever (with Embiid as the main target). Maybe throw Mitch or Julius in there to save picks.

I just doubt these other teams really covet Dejounte that much, especially since his impact on winning and attitude are certainly questionable. Seems better to save our picks since theyd be more valuable to a team whod want to rebuild, and see if Donte and Grimes can hold the 2 spot down.

Save our picks for what? The draft this year? I didn't know DJM was an attitude problem type of player. That shyt won't fly here. Still, he consolidates what we need from Grimes and Deuce with possibly better production.

I'm concerned with flipping Evans expiring salary into the future, getting a backup 4/5 with actual talent and, we have to use this years draft picks. Whoever makes the most sense that we can get, do it. I'm ok with drafting at least one player this year too. There's plenty of ways to go about this but, this season cannot be punted either. Fix the holes to stay in the playoffs before we slide to play in territory or worse because we ignore the glaring holes we have trying to cheap out.

First we need to see if Grimes and Donte can rise to the occasion. Wouldnt be smart to rush into a trading some of our last real assets for a borderline guy like Dejounte when maybe they can do the job more than well enough.

Why is Dejounte being moved twice in less than 2 years, with his teams being bad, if hes so good? Would he be happy being a 3rd option/6th man here also? And yeah he has some mentality issues. See the quotes cgf has posted the last few pages from Spurs and Hawks posters who watch him play. He does and says some weird stuff that doesnt fit into our style, so hed have to change.

Ill have to see what Leon cooks up before caring about this too much. All I know is Dejounte and OG obviously arent enough. OG is a winning type player though, while Im unsure about Dejounte.

You have to hope whoever you want is still around in a month if those two don't get it done. This team still desperately needs a backup 4/5. So assets will be used for something. IDGAF if it's DJM or DJ Jazzy Jeff. We need to make another move this year. The bench is a mess and Randle/iHart need productive backup help. Unless you think Taj/Precious/Sims are the answer. I don't.

[stuporman]

Fan says Shams will always say the Knicks have interest in KAT because Knicks for clicks and Shams is just that...many shams.

So sick of the KAT and Knicks potential connection.

I don't even think it's recent, there may have been in previous seasons but as the Knicks have continued to be a good team with Randle very productive there is no way they will throw away the financial prudence they have been operating with for a marginal upgrade if it is an upgrade at all for an exorbitant price.

This is just media muppets running with what they think is a good soundbite to keep the viewer believing they have any information and relevant in any way. I have a hard time seeing the Knicks FO pursuing players they think would hamper their cap situation that badly, they have the cap gurus that know better.

[stuporman]

Brunson ability to make the team better >>>>> Young ability to make a team better

If people are going to postulate that Murray looks good this season because Young is getting him open shots then it's tough to suggest that would change with Brunson doing it.

Now consider the rest of the team around him would be better fitting than the one he currently is on then we can't just assume he'd revert to a previously lesser form in NY.

Then if he looks good in contributing to a winning team then his value goes up in any potential deal for the final piece if he's a part of that possible deal.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on getting him, I'm just looking at the known facts about it and the possibilities if it were to happen.

[cgf]

We play the Sixers on Friday, might be a good chance to impress Embiid.

What happens to the NBA world when Joel comes out after the game and demands to play with the Js & OG?