Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[3toheadmelo]

Someone with more size who is a better scorer/shooter would be a better fit over DSJ. He’s not a bad backup pg just wouldn’t be a priority since we have limited assets.

Not sure what assets have to do with this since DSJ is a free agent tho. I'm sure we can scoop him on a 1-2 year deal for pretty cheap. No one is saying DSJ is a savior or anything but it would be nice to have a bench defensive backcourt of him and Deuce. Would also allow Deuce to thrive in a 3 and D role.

Plus he got the Ron artest stamp on defense. Gotta acknowledge that deez!!!

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I would just let Deuce develop and get better as our backup PG. It was basically his first year getting consistent playing time. He improved a ton.

Otherwise, Deuce, DSJ, Brunson, Hart, Donte... That's 5 guys 6'4" and under. We would be better off bringing in a wing especially for OG insurance.

As it stands now Mitch, Bogey, Hart, Deuce is our bench.
Hart is going to get a ton of minutes off the bench and compliments Deuce since he can handle and facilitate too. Bogey can score. I dont see any minutes or need for DSJ unless he's replacing Deuce. And Deuce just had a better season then DSJ in basically his first year. Really doesn't make sense unless DSJ is an 11th man out of the rotation

I just don't see the PG skills in Deuce. It seems pretty clear to me he's a 3 and D guard. Knicks shouldn't force him to be something he isn't. We tried to make Frank a PG early on too and it was clear that wasn't his role (although he wasnt a good 3 and d guard either). Let's not do that again.

Also this season for Deuce isn't as good as DSJ's 2nd year. Not even close. Or rookie year too. But this is irrelevant so not sure why you are bringing this up to compare them, when once again the point is to pair them up.

When we were at full strength we had Grimes next to Deuce. With Grimes gone and Deuce replacing his role, there is a need for a backup PG. Not trying to watch Burks be the ball handler off the bench.

[thebuzzardman]

Is Frank still available?

[3toheadmelo]

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

I need someone to answer this though.

Who has Mikal ever locked up in the playoffs? I seen him get torched by Ingram and Luka while he was on the Suns.

There's actually a article about his defense falling off a cliff in the playoffs.
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/08/15/mikal-bridges-phoenix-suns-defense/

Those are the guys we have OG for. Mikal is better with shooting wings.

In any event, if the price is Randle+ it's a hard no from me.

We can agree here. I won't be against getting Mikal if the price is very cheap but the Nets want a major haul in return so I don't see any deal happening anytime soon.

[3toheadmelo]

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

You were pounding the table saying he would get benched which never happened.

I understand what you're saying, but it was his first year and he will get better. The bigger issue is we were missing our #2 scorer and other players like Bogey, OG, etc. Of course things fell apart when Brunson sat because the drop off to our 2nd best player was so drastic. Every other team staggers in a #2 or #3 player, but ours were hurt.

Someone like DSJ would not help this at all. Hes not carrying an offense. We need a legit scorer which can really be any position, and we actually have... Just too many injuries.

But Deuce did a good job and played really well all things considered. When we are healthy we will have Deuce, Hart, Bogey, Mitch off the bench which should be a really good unit... Especially when we stagger in Randle, OG, or Brunson.

uh


I dont ever remember saying that.



but dsjs job isn't to carry any offense.


it's literally to dribble the ball, which he is competent at. Mcbride couldn't even bring up the ball in the playoffs vs full court, forcing Thibs multiple times to early sub in brunson with timeouts.



mcbride isn't a pg no matter how badly u want him to be

And he got torched all series long by TJ McConnell. Bringing in a great defender in DSJ should def help us.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Not sure what assets have to do with this since DSJ is a free agent tho. I'm sure we can scoop him on a 1-2 year deal for pretty cheap. No one is saying DSJ is a savior or anything but it would be nice to have a bench defensive backcourt of him and Deuce. Would also allow Deuce to thrive in a 3 and D role.

Plus he got the Ron artest stamp on defense. Gotta acknowledge that deez!!!

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I would just let Deuce develop and get better as our backup PG. It was basically his first year getting consistent playing time. He improved a ton.

Otherwise, Deuce, DSJ, Brunson, Hart, Donte... That's 5 guys 6'4" and under. We would be better off bringing in a wing especially for OG insurance.

As it stands now Mitch, Bogey, Hart, Deuce is our bench.
Hart is going to get a ton of minutes off the bench and compliments Deuce since he can handle and facilitate too. Bogey can score. I dont see any minutes or need for DSJ unless he's replacing Deuce. And Deuce just had a better season then DSJ in basically his first year. Really doesn't make sense unless DSJ is an 11th man out of the rotation

I just don't see the PG skills in Deuce. It seems pretty clear to me he's a 3 and D guard. Knicks shouldn't force him to be something he isn't. We tried to make Frank a PG early on too and it was clear that wasn't his role (although he wasnt a good 3 and d guard either). Let's not do that again.

Also this season for Deuce isn't as good as DSJ's 2nd year. Not even close. Or rookie year too. But this is irrelevant so not sure why you are bringing this up to compare them, when once again the point is to pair them up.

When we were at full strength we had Grimes next to Deuce. With Grimes gone and Deuce replacing his role, there is a need for a backup PG. Not trying to watch Burks be the ball handler off the bench.

When we are healthy we have Hart off the bench next to Deuce. Thibs is gonna stagger and play him a ton. .I mean, who's minutes is DSJ going to take?

Deuce just had a more efficient season then DSJ ever had and did it on a really good team...had some big games in the playoffs. DSJ put up some empty stats but bad efficiency. He wasn't really good.

Just in the 14 games Deuce started he avg's 18ppg, 4apg, 1 TO, on 46% fg, 41% 3, 61% TS....

I mean what are we even talking about here?? We are really trying to bury him down the depth chart for DSJ??

This is crazy talk

[Capn'O]

...Burks...

We're entering a phase as a very strong but high salaried team. We're going to need to make low cost moves at the margins for depth.

I'm hoping we don't forego the draft in this regard.


DSJ could make sense. I'd like to see what we have in Jokubaitis.

[3toheadmelo]

I would just let Deuce develop and get better as our backup PG. It was basically his first year getting consistent playing time. He improved a ton.

Otherwise, Deuce, DSJ, Brunson, Hart, Donte... That's 5 guys 6'4" and under. We would be better off bringing in a wing especially for OG insurance.

As it stands now Mitch, Bogey, Hart, Deuce is our bench.
Hart is going to get a ton of minutes off the bench and compliments Deuce since he can handle and facilitate too. Bogey can score. I dont see any minutes or need for DSJ unless he's replacing Deuce. And Deuce just had a better season then DSJ in basically his first year. Really doesn't make sense unless DSJ is an 11th man out of the rotation

I just don't see the PG skills in Deuce. It seems pretty clear to me he's a 3 and D guard. Knicks shouldn't force him to be something he isn't. We tried to make Frank a PG early on too and it was clear that wasn't his role (although he wasnt a good 3 and d guard either). Let's not do that again.

Also this season for Deuce isn't as good as DSJ's 2nd year. Not even close. Or rookie year too. But this is irrelevant so not sure why you are bringing this up to compare them, when once again the point is to pair them up.

When we were at full strength we had Grimes next to Deuce. With Grimes gone and Deuce replacing his role, there is a need for a backup PG. Not trying to watch Burks be the ball handler off the bench.

When we are healthy we have Hart off the bench next to Deuce. Thibs is gonna stagger and play him a ton. .I mean, who's minutes is DSJ going to take?

Deuce just had a more efficient season then DSJ ever had and did it on a really good team...had some big games in the playoffs. DSJ put up some empty stats but bad efficiency. He wasn't really good.

Just in the 14 games Deuce started he avg's 18ppg, 4apg, 1 TO, on 46% fg, 41% 3, 61% TS....

I mean what are we even talking about here?? We are really trying to bury him down the depth chart for DSJ??

This is crazy talk

At full strength in January we had Deuce and Grimes taking up minutes at the back court. Deuce was getting minutes since we traded IQ. Hart was still getting a lot of mins. So if Grimes can get minutes next to Deuce and Hart, why can't DSJ?

Also idk why you're still trying to compare Deuce and DSJ. Idc who you think was the better player in their rookie year or whatever lol. The DSJ hate is strong within you

You're the one making it a much bigger thing than it is. We're just saying to bring DSJ on a 1-2 year deal for cheap off the bench for a couple of mins to handle the ball and play defense. No one is saying to bury deuce down the depth chart. You're just making things up now fam

[3toheadmelo]

...Burks...

We're entering a phase as a very strong but high salaried team. We're going to need to make low cost moves at the margins for depth.

I'm hoping we don't forego the draft in this regard.


DSJ could make sense. I'd like to see what we have in Jokubaitis.

Yep DSJ is just a low cost move. Nothing crazy. Haven't kept up with Joku but if i remember correctly he can handle the ball a bit too so I wouldn't mind him too.

I think Draftexpress said we're looking to move our picks. So there's that

[Capn'O]

...Burks...

We're entering a phase as a very strong but high salaried team. We're going to need to make low cost moves at the margins for depth.

I'm hoping we don't forego the draft in this regard.


DSJ could make sense. I'd like to see what we have in Jokubaitis.

Yep DSJ is just a low cost move. Nothing crazy. Haven't kept up with Joku but if i remember correctly he can handle the ball a bit too so I wouldn't mind him too.

I think Draftexpress said we're looking to move our picks. So there's that

If we do that I hope it's not just knee jerk. I can see us viewing the salary slots as liabilities THIS offseason... but there are a few guys in the 20s range who intrigue me and ostensibly fit our needs.

That said, I'm avoiding this draft like the plague in BAF and have barely watched a minute so who am I to talk in my defense I don't have scouts!

[Capn'O]

From what I've seen from Rokas he's stylistically similar to Brunson... lite lite lite... but he could provide relief where our style of play remains consistent and I think Thibs would like that.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I just don't see the PG skills in Deuce. It seems pretty clear to me he's a 3 and D guard. Knicks shouldn't force him to be something he isn't. We tried to make Frank a PG early on too and it was clear that wasn't his role (although he wasnt a good 3 and d guard either). Let's not do that again.

Also this season for Deuce isn't as good as DSJ's 2nd year. Not even close. Or rookie year too. But this is irrelevant so not sure why you are bringing this up to compare them, when once again the point is to pair them up.

When we were at full strength we had Grimes next to Deuce. With Grimes gone and Deuce replacing his role, there is a need for a backup PG. Not trying to watch Burks be the ball handler off the bench.

When we are healthy we have Hart off the bench next to Deuce. Thibs is gonna stagger and play him a ton. .I mean, who's minutes is DSJ going to take?

Deuce just had a more efficient season then DSJ ever had and did it on a really good team...had some big games in the playoffs. DSJ put up some empty stats but bad efficiency. He wasn't really good.

Just in the 14 games Deuce started he avg's 18ppg, 4apg, 1 TO, on 46% fg, 41% 3, 61% TS....

I mean what are we even talking about here?? We are really trying to bury him down the depth chart for DSJ??

This is crazy talk

At full strength in January we had Deuce and Grimes taking up minutes at the back court. Deuce was getting minutes since we traded IQ. Hart was still getting a lot of mins. So if Grimes can get minutes next to Deuce and Hart, why can't DSJ?

Also idk why you're still trying to compare Deuce and DSJ. Idc who you think was the better player in their rookie year or whatever lol. The DSJ hate is strong within you

You're the one making it a much bigger thing than it is. We're just saying to bring DSJ on a 1-2 year deal for cheap off the bench for a couple of mins to handle the ball and play defense. No one is saying to bury deuce down the depth chart. You're just making things up now fam

Because Bogey already took Grimes minutes. And Thibs will probably stick with a 9 man rotation especially since he will play Hart a lot.

Besides that, DSJ is 6'2" where Grimes was 6'4", Bogey 6'7". If we are adding to the rotation it should be a bigger wing type for OG, Randle, Bogey insurance

Basically this is our 9 man rotation. I don't see whos minutes DSJ would take. For injury insurance or in case of trade it's fine if he's ok with not playing regularly. But guessing DSJ can find a backup spot. But if you're saying he'll take all the backup PG minutes, it really does not leave minutes for Deuce. That is the part that doesn't make sense to me...

It's not that I hate DSJ. I just love Deuce

iHart
Randle
OG
Donte
Brunson

Mitch
Bogey
Hart
Deuce

[3toheadmelo]

We're entering a phase as a very strong but high salaried team. We're going to need to make low cost moves at the margins for depth.

I'm hoping we don't forego the draft in this regard.


DSJ could make sense. I'd like to see what we have in Jokubaitis.

Yep DSJ is just a low cost move. Nothing crazy. Haven't kept up with Joku but if i remember correctly he can handle the ball a bit too so I wouldn't mind him too.

I think Draftexpress said we're looking to move our picks. So there's that

If we do that I hope it's not just knee jerk. I can see us viewing the salary slots as liabilities THIS offseason... but there are a few guys in the 20s range who intrigue me and ostensibly fit our needs.

That said, I'm avoiding this draft like the plague in BAF and have barely watched a minute so who am I to talk in my defense I don't have scouts!

I think the urgency to win now is at an all time high for the Knicks so I think they're gonna punt the draft again for a vet. Shams recently said the Knicks are still looking to make that big move this summer. Probably going to try to package those picks for someone.

I have my pick in BAF but havent even scouted at all yet lol

[3toheadmelo]

When we are healthy we have Hart off the bench next to Deuce. Thibs is gonna stagger and play him a ton. .I mean, who's minutes is DSJ going to take?

Deuce just had a more efficient season then DSJ ever had and did it on a really good team...had some big games in the playoffs. DSJ put up some empty stats but bad efficiency. He wasn't really good.

Just in the 14 games Deuce started he avg's 18ppg, 4apg, 1 TO, on 46% fg, 41% 3, 61% TS....

I mean what are we even talking about here?? We are really trying to bury him down the depth chart for DSJ??

This is crazy talk

At full strength in January we had Deuce and Grimes taking up minutes at the back court. Deuce was getting minutes since we traded IQ. Hart was still getting a lot of mins. So if Grimes can get minutes next to Deuce and Hart, why can't DSJ?

Also idk why you're still trying to compare Deuce and DSJ. Idc who you think was the better player in their rookie year or whatever lol. The DSJ hate is strong within you

You're the one making it a much bigger thing than it is. We're just saying to bring DSJ on a 1-2 year deal for cheap off the bench for a couple of mins to handle the ball and play defense. No one is saying to bury deuce down the depth chart. You're just making things up now fam

Because Bogey already took Grimes minutes. And Thibs will probably stick with a 9 man rotation especially since he will play Hart a lot.

Besides that, DSJ is 6'2" where Grimes was 6'4", Bogey 6'7". If we are adding to the rotation it should be a bigger wing type for OG, Randle, Bogey insurance

Basically this is our 9 man rotation. I don't see whos minutes DSJ would take. For injury insurance or in case of trade it's fine if he's ok with not playing regularly. But guessing DSJ can find a backup spot. But if you're saying he'll take all the backup PG minutes, it really does not leave minutes for Deuce. That is the part that doesn't make sense to me...

It's not that I hate DSJ. I just love Deuce

iHart
Randle
OG
Donte
Brunson

Mitch
Bogey
Hart
Deuce

Nah he doesn't have to take up all the backup mins at PG. Wasn't trying to imply that. Just think DSJ can help out a little with ball handling. DSJ at like 10-15 mpg is fine with me or can even just be an injury insurance. He's a minor pick up. Not trying to replace your guy deez I promise

Im out on Bojan. Not much of a fan of his game. I think trading for him was a mistake and would rather let Hart eat all his minutes.

[DaGawd]

if the rockets are really serious about trading the 3rd pick for bridges .. mikal might be headed to houston if they nets are really about that slow build life

[newyorker4ever]

Yeah a lot of people haven't kept up with him but he's become a really good defender since he left the Knicks. Wouldn't mind seeing him be that ball handler off the bench while Deuce can be that 3 and d guy.

Yeah I was gonna say DSJ Stan … no I’m kidding. He has become very solid. I’ve actually watched the Nets a lot and not just recaps so I could see their intriguing, yet trash roster. I like Lonnie Walker and also Cam Johnson, but DSJ has become pretty impressive. Bridges is the one guy to get though. I won’t say no to Johnson, Walker, DSJ, Schroeder, Finney-Smith and/or Claxton, but it isn’t going to happen.

I have a feeling that a deal for Bridges will likely be done. Let’s hope we get somebody to go with him for all those picks it’ll cost.

Don’t let Melo brainwash you guys on DSJ. Deuce is ready better than him. DSJ shot 29% from 3 last season. He scored 6.6 points per game in 19 minutes/gm. What’s so impressive about that?

People see what a average player is doing on a horrific team and think he can do that on a good team but he can't and has proven that on more than one good team.

[3toheadmelo]

if the rockets are really serious about trading the 3rd pick for bridges .. mikal might be headed to houston if they nets are really about that slow build life

Rockets are super thirsty for him. If Mikal is to ever get traded, it's going to be to Houston. They already offered Jalen Green and picks. Knicks would have to give up mad assets to match what the Rockets are offerring.

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[newyorker4ever]

Ppl here don’t know ball if they think McBride is a backup pg

Meanwhile you have been dead wrong about Deuce so far. He will just continue to prove you wrong

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

Do people on here actually think he's a PG? I haven't seen anyone say that but i'm not in every thread going through every post. I'd still take him over DSJ.

[DaGawd]

if the rockets are really serious about trading the 3rd pick for bridges .. mikal might be headed to houston if they nets are really about that slow build life

Rockets are super thirsty for him. If Mikal is to ever get traded, it's going to be to Houston. They already offered Jalen Green and picks. Knicks would have to give up mad assets to match what the Rockets are offerring.

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for sure.. and you couldn’t really even say it’s the nets overtaxing the knicks because of a some rivalry. the rockets just have legitimately more enticing offers for the nets than we do

[newyorker4ever]

Mikal's defense has suffered because he's been asked to be a first option and he's not a first option.

They stopped using him as a 1st option for a while now and his defense is still very bad

Guys don't just forget how to play defense. Even LeBron can still lock down for possessions. Get him in the right role again and he'll be back to his defensive minded efficient self. I'm not even saying us.

People are using stats to judge whether Mikal is a good defender which is ridiculous. The eye test will always be a better way to judge a player over stats that in many cases lie about what a player is or isn't doing in games.

[aggo]

Meanwhile you have been dead wrong about Deuce so far. He will just continue to prove you wrong

Dead wrong about what?

I’ve only ever said his best position is SG or off ball c+s 3.


He’s not a pg. can’t initiate offense

Do people on here actually think he's a PG? I haven't seen anyone say that but i'm not in every thread going through every post. I'd still take him over DSJ.

yes


because the entire point of getting a backup PG isn't to replace McBrides minutes....


it's to put mcbride in offball c+s 3.


the entire point of DSJ is to play him next to mcbride