Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Capn'O]

Hmmmm

Spoiler:

Or maybe I go Bol Bol folks, Bol Bol

I know you're being facetious at 5 but if you're in the 10-12 range you basically have to take him if he's there.

[2010]

he's like a frank with more hype.

Ok, now you buggin. RJ has pitbull in him offensively. Straight dawg.

Frank? This is Frank's response to our concerns about him offensively:

Spoiler:

i mean cam. rj is too much pit bull offensively.

cam lacks aggression and lift, like frank.

Oh ok, I agree with you on that take.

[Clyde_Style]

I want a Tacko Fall Bol Bol ball team

[taj2133]

look like kemba staying in charlotte if he gets super max he made all nba third team today

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[BowlRips]

look like kemba staying in charlotte if he gets super max he made all nba third team today

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Its actually good.
MJ not dumb enough to hand Kemba Walker a $211 million contract, especially after seeing what happened with the Wizards and Wall.
His unwillingness to offer the contract going to create animosity between them and hell look to leave.

Wish Beal got All-NBA, then he wouldv'e qualified for a $191 million contract and the Wizards were not about to have a two $200mil contracts on the books. Would've forced a trade

[newyorker4ever]

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Would love to be able to get this kid but he's gonna go around the middle of the draft.

[taj2133]

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Would love to be able to get this kid but he's gonna go around the middle of the draft.

I think the celtics are going to pick him with 14 or the 20 pick.

[taj2133]

look like kemba staying in charlotte if he gets super max he made all nba third team today

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Its actually good.
MJ not dumb enough to hand Kemba Walker a $211 million contract, especially after seeing what happened with the Wizards and Wall.
His unwillingness to offer the contract going to create animosity between them and hell look to leave.

Wish Beal got All-NBA, then he wouldv'e qualified for a $191 million contract and the Wizards were not about to have a two $200mil contracts on the books. Would've forced a trade

Never say never with mj he is hel bent on signing kemba i would not rule it out completely and beal didn't make all nba team today.

[newyorker4ever]

If he had RJ’s mindset this past season, he’d probably be the #2 pick of the draft. He’s so talented

Well that’s the whole thing though. He doesn’t have RJ’s mindset and people are questioning his “motor” and RJ has dog so I’m taking the dog. We already have Knox as our low motor project but even he’s more aggressive at least

Yeah, I only would have seriously entertained taking the gamble on Cam at pick #5. But 4-Culver | 3-RJ | 2-Morant |1-Zion.

I have D.Hunter and D.Garland ahead of Culver and Cam. I do like both of them, Culver for his play on both sides of the ball and Cam because that intrigue is there that he can be the guy everyone thought he would be in college but it seems like not many on here are all that high on D.Hunter because i don't see him get talked about much on here but i'm a big fan and i think Garland is gonna be real good and would love to have his shooting from the PG spot.

[2010]

Well that’s the whole thing though. He doesn’t have RJ’s mindset and people are questioning his “motor” and RJ has dog so I’m taking the dog. We already have Knox as our low motor project but even he’s more aggressive at least

Yeah, I only would have seriously entertained taking the gamble on Cam at pick #5. But 4-Culver | 3-RJ | 2-Morant |1-Zion.

I have D.Hunter and D.Garland ahead of Culver and Cam. I do like both of them, Culver for his play on both sides of the ball and Cam because that intrigue is there that he can be the guy everyone thought he would be in college but it seems like not many on here are all that high on D.Hunter because i don't see him get talked about much on here but i'm a big fan and i think Garland is gonna be real good and would love to have his shooting from the PG spot.

I like Hunter. But the concern is if he has a high floor but low ceiling.

[stuporman]

Wiggle? Isn't this fan base the ones who hate on any player who ISOs? Well, isn't wiggle a term used to describe a facet of the face up game in reference to isolation play? So, why is it a desirable trait now?

In my opinion wiggle is great and all that but it's not the most important trait of a dribble driver. They have to have a great handle for their wiggle to mean anything, if the ball isn't under control it's not going to effectively be put to use no matter how much wiggle one has.

There's also seeing the team defense concept being played and using the dribble to manipulate the defender out of position. Then being able to exploit that positioning either through getting to the basket, finding an open player to pass to or shooting the ball is the point of it.

Taking great angles, body control, using space and screens/picks, change of direction, footwork, finishing the play are all part of how a player uses the dribble to create plays. So, 'wiggle' isn't the be all of it, it may be the flashiest aspect but without the rest it's really nothing.

There have been plenty of players who don't have great wiggle but have the rest of the skills so thrive and there are plenty of guys who have all sorts of wiggle yet don't succeed in the league.

[Clyde_Style]

Wiggle? Isn't this fan base the ones who hate on any player who ISOs? Well, isn't wiggle a term used to describe a facet of the face up game in reference to isolation play? So, why is it a desirable trait now?

In my opinion wiggle is great and all that but it's not the most important trait of a dribble driver. They have to have a great handle for their wiggle to mean anything, if the ball isn't under control it's not going to effectively be put to use no matter how much wiggle one has.

There's also seeing the team defense concept being played and using the dribble to manipulate the defender out of position. Then being able to exploit that positioning either through getting to the basket, finding an open player to pass to or shooting the ball is the point of it.

Taking great angles, body control, using space and screens/picks, change of direction, footwork, finishing the play are all part of how a player uses the dribble to create plays. So, 'wiggle' isn't the be all of it, it may be the flashiest aspect but without the rest it's really nothing.

There have been plenty of players who don't have great wiggle but have the rest of the skills so thrive and there are plenty of guys who have all sorts of wiggle yet don't succeed in the league.

I always knew you had it in you to write an essay on Wiggle.

Congrats

[GONYK]

Wiggle? Isn't this fan base the ones who hate on any player who ISOs? Well, isn't wiggle a term used to describe a facet of the face up game in reference to isolation play? So, why is it a desirable trait now?

In my opinion wiggle is great and all that but it's not the most important trait of a dribble driver. They have to have a great handle for their wiggle to mean anything, if the ball isn't under control it's not going to effectively be put to use no matter how much wiggle one has.

There's also seeing the team defense concept being played and using the dribble to manipulate the defender out of position. Then being able to exploit that positioning either through getting to the basket, finding an open player to pass to or shooting the ball is the point of it.

Taking great angles, body control, using space and screens/picks, change of direction, footwork, finishing the play are all part of how a player uses the dribble to create plays. So, 'wiggle' isn't the be all of it, it may be the flashiest aspect but without the rest it's really nothing.

There have been plenty of players who don't have great wiggle but have the rest of the skills so thrive and there are plenty of guys who have all sorts of wiggle yet don't succeed in the league.

Well, it speaks to a couple of things. It is a combo of fluidity of movement, body control, point to point burst, as well as the handle. So it's not something that relates to ISO's as much as it is something that is looked at for people who are deemed ballhandlers/playmakers.

In RJ's case, his athleticism is very good, but it's not fluid. His movements are sorta choppy bursts, and he plays upright, which makes his bursts more straight line than edging around corners.

On top of that, his handle is pretty loose and his right hand is borderline atrocious for a top player in the draft, so he's not manipulating defenders through ballhandling skill. He spent most of his time going through people rather than around them.

Some of this is correctable, some will probably persist. It's not a fatal flaw, but it is worth noting.

[2010]

I get where stuperman is going with this though. Most guys with wiggle are ball-dominant guys who iso and need to be in rhythm to be effective. A straight-line driver like RJ may be ball-dominant but he does make quick decisions with the ball. His movements have effort, decisiveness, and conviction. Sure he has looked off guys before. But he is not the type to stand at the top of the key dancing with the dribble, lulling guys to sleep like Melo, CP3, Harden, Crawford, Trier, to the detriment of ball movement. I get it. It's a nice take. And it is a stance that can make RJ's perceived weakness almost become a positive in the concept of team play and quick-decisions.

Which takes me to this comp. RJ is a straight-line driver, an attacker, who excels in the open floor. Dude has a motor and some dog in him. He has some concerns about advanced ballhandling and legit long range 3pt consistency. Sounds to me like he is a 2-inch bigger Latrell Sprewell. Another guy who was a straight-line driver, an attacker, excelled in the open floor, who had motor offensively and some dog in him. Another guy who was criticized for not having advanced ballhandling and took a while to develop a consistent 3pt shot. He ended up being a great pull-up midrange shooter though. I see no reason RJ can't become a bigger, left-handed Spree.

[Huey Freeman]

Does Kawhi have “wiggle”?

[GONYK]

I get where stuperman is going with this though. Most guys with wiggle are ball-dominant guys who iso and need to be in rhythm to be effective. A straight-line driver like RJ may be ball-dominant but he does make quick decisions with the ball. His movements have effort, decisiveness, and conviction. Sure he has looked off guys before. But he is not the type to stand at the top of the key dancing with the dribble, lulling guys to sleep like Melo, CP3, Harden, Crawford, to the detriment of ball movement. I get it. It's a nice take. And it is a stance that can make RJ's perceived weakness almost become a positive in the concept of team play and quick-decisions.

Which takes me to this comp. RJ is a straight-line driver, an attacker, who excels in the open floor. Dude has a motor and some dog in him. He has some concerns about advanced ballhandling and legit long range 3pt consistency. Sounds to me like he is a 2-inch bigger Latrell Sprewell. Another guy who was a straight-line driver, an attacker, excelled in the open floor, who had motor offensively and some dog in him. Another guy who was criticized for not having advanced ballhandling and took a while to develop a consistent 3pt shot. He ended up being a great pull-up midrange shooter though. I see no reason RJ can't become a bigger, left-handed Spree.

Offensively speaking, that can be a development path for RJ.

I don't think the lack of wiggle is all that detrimental to RJ, but I do think it takes the Harden type comps that have been floating around off the table.

[nykinoz]

In your eyes, whats on the Lakers to pair with #4 for our #3 that would satisfy you?

[Tron Carter]

look like kemba staying in charlotte if he gets super max he made all nba third team today

Read on Twitter

Its actually good.
MJ not dumb enough to hand Kemba Walker a $211 million contract, especially after seeing what happened with the Wizards and Wall.
His unwillingness to offer the contract going to create animosity between them and hell look to leave.

Wish Beal got All-NBA, then he wouldv'e qualified for a $191 million contract and the Wizards were not about to have a two $200mil contracts on the books. Would've forced a trade

you’re giving mj waaay too much credit.

[stuporman]

Wiggle? Isn't this fan base the ones who hate on any player who ISOs? Well, isn't wiggle a term used to describe a facet of the face up game in reference to isolation play? So, why is it a desirable trait now?

In my opinion wiggle is great and all that but it's not the most important trait of a dribble driver. They have to have a great handle for their wiggle to mean anything, if the ball isn't under control it's not going to effectively be put to use no matter how much wiggle one has.

There's also seeing the team defense concept being played and using the dribble to manipulate the defender out of position. Then being able to exploit that positioning either through getting to the basket, finding an open player to pass to or shooting the ball is the point of it.

Taking great angles, body control, using space and screens/picks, change of direction, footwork, finishing the play are all part of how a player uses the dribble to create plays. So, 'wiggle' isn't the be all of it, it may be the flashiest aspect but without the rest it's really nothing.

There have been plenty of players who don't have great wiggle but have the rest of the skills so thrive and there are plenty of guys who have all sorts of wiggle yet don't succeed in the league.

I always knew you had it in you to write an essay on Wiggle.

Congrats

Well, I got a couple more of them about wiggle but not on basketball.....

[Clyde_Style]

Wiggle? Isn't this fan base the ones who hate on any player who ISOs? Well, isn't wiggle a term used to describe a facet of the face up game in reference to isolation play? So, why is it a desirable trait now?

In my opinion wiggle is great and all that but it's not the most important trait of a dribble driver. They have to have a great handle for their wiggle to mean anything, if the ball isn't under control it's not going to effectively be put to use no matter how much wiggle one has.

There's also seeing the team defense concept being played and using the dribble to manipulate the defender out of position. Then being able to exploit that positioning either through getting to the basket, finding an open player to pass to or shooting the ball is the point of it.

Taking great angles, body control, using space and screens/picks, change of direction, footwork, finishing the play are all part of how a player uses the dribble to create plays. So, 'wiggle' isn't the be all of it, it may be the flashiest aspect but without the rest it's really nothing.

There have been plenty of players who don't have great wiggle but have the rest of the skills so thrive and there are plenty of guys who have all sorts of wiggle yet don't succeed in the league.

I always knew you had it in you to write an essay on Wiggle.

Congrats

Well, I got a couple more of them about wiggle but not on basketball.....

In that case:

Get a wiggle room!