2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[jvsimonetti0514]

We could potentially end up with the 10th pick.

I don't think i could survive that.

It’s less than 1% chance of that happening

[TheGreenArrow]

We could potentially end up with the 10th pick.

I don't think i could survive that.

It’s less than 1% chance of that happening

we are the knicks my man. that 1% may as well be 100%.

[RHODEY]

Yeah I know, this kid has an annoying voice....but hey its slow...

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Still feel like Rose will find a way to get LaMelo Ball.

But if not, should be other guys to target whereever we end up.

1. Ball
2. Hayes
3. Edwards
4. Haliburton
5. Cole

[jvsimonetti0514]

Still feel like Rose will find a way to get LaMelo Ball.

But if not, should be other guys to target whereever we end up.

1. Ball
2. Hayes
3. Edwards
4. Haliburton
5. Cole

I really don’t expect us to make either of our late round picks because they’ll be used to get LaMelo. That all depends, If we stay at 6 or jump up to 3 or 4. I can expect Lamar to make enough of a stink that a deal will get done. If we fall back to 7 or 8, we’d probably need to use a Mavs pick and our later round picks to move up. I’d hope Rose would be smart enough not to use 3 first rounders to move up to get Ball but who knows.

I said it a few pages back, as much as I’d prefer Hayes or Halliburton the connection with Cole is just way too strong. The normie fan base will be clamoring for him. The wiretape say we’re looking for back court shooting. Even though Halliburton has better percentages, he’s got a funky release and can’t really shoot off the dribble. This could be overblown like the questions with Ja’s off the dribble game but Halliburton isn’t the same type of athlete. Cole doesn’t really have any of those shooting issues.

[moocow007]

Yeah I know, this kid has an annoying voice....but hey its slow...

Watch on YouTube

I agree with most everything this kid says.

He's right on with Haliburton. Trust me guys, Haliburton is NOT the type of player the Knicks need. His college performance is getting over inflated and he will NOT be able to get anywhere near what he's doing in college especially NOT on a team that has no system and mish-mosh of talent. Fans will use his college play, build him up to be something he's not and then he'll get absolutely crucified when, not surprisingly, he can't replicate that type of production in the NBA. He'll be the next Ntilikina in terms of creating a divide among the fanbase (one group that will hold fast he needs to be given a shot, the other, that he's crap...all the while he's producing very little relative to his draft position while he's on the floor).

LaMelo Ball IS the guy that the Knicks need the most out of the point guards. He is built for the NBA and his skill will absolutely make it easier for the main go forward guys (Barrett, Robinson, Knox, etc.) to get easier shots on offense. He'll even be able to make Randle much more effective and efficient. Yes absolutely more so than the way popular "we need a shooter" mantra. Barrett, Robinson and Knox need someone that can create shot opportunities for them cause they can't themselves. Just shooter isn't going to create easy shots for them since they will still have to try to create shots (the shooter only acts to force defenders from focusing on them, but the reality is that none of them are innate shot creators themselves so the problem is even before the shooter comes into play).

Kilian Hayes IS the other PG that should be the choice if avaialble and Ball is not available, regardless of if anyone lists Hayes in a mock. Why? Cause Hayes is like Ball. His best skills are the skills that create easy shot opportunities for everyone else. In a lot of ways he's like a scaled down version of Ball but without the potential drama.

Deni Avdija has a lot of talent but yes, it would not be advisable to take him if Ball or Hayes is available. But yes, if all the PG's are gone, then taking basically BPA and waiting for 2021 draft for a PG would make sense. The Knicks will suck again next season. It's what it is. You don't want to reach for a position.

And yes, they have no need for Jahmi'us Ramsey. They already have Barrett (who they still seem insistent to play at SG), Trier, Dotson AND (most likely) Reggie Bullock (for at least one more season).

Also, yeah, the same way they moved up to get Iggy cause they really liked him, if you really like someone say later on in the 1st and you think he can be gone a few picks before the Clippers, try to move up. Jalen Smith, for example, a guy that is slipping under the radar, honestly would be a great fit with the Knicks. Smith has shown vast improvements in his ability to shoot the ball from freshman to sophomore seasons (not just the 3 but his FT%) which tells me he can get even better (and has the makeup to improve). He's tall, quick, aggressive, athletic, rebounds and blocks shots real well. Moves well without the ball. If the plan is to eventually move on from Randle, Smith would be a great fit. You can even slide him over to C right away to play with Randle if the game calls forces the Knicks to try and spread the floor. So a trade up for a guy like Jalen Smith in the 20-25 range should be considered if they like Smith.

You can find "shooters" in free agency (see Reggie Bullock). You cannot find the type of guys that can create easy shot opportunities for his teammates like a Ball or Hayes can near as easy. You focus on shot creators. It's also easier to learn to shoot than to learn to create shots. So no, absolutely not, I would not hold Ball's lack of a 3 against him. Heck, you just need to look at his brother to see how not just a similar type PG an learn to shoot, but one that shares the same type of genes, mentality and style. Ball should absolutely be the 1st PG on the Knicks draft list. A 6'7" (potentially 6'8" when all's said and done) shotcreator that has the ball on a string and the game built for the bright lights is absolutely exactly what this team (of all teams) need especially if it's very likely that his shooting will improve (again see brother Lonzo).

And yep, like I said before, Cole Anthony has aspects of his game (toughness, leadership, fight, etc.) that are great. It's just the question about is he really more of a SG in a PG's body from my standpoint (and exceed what you expect a PG to be able to do for your team to make you better, instead of what a SG be able to do to do the same). If he was 2-3" taller he'd be a SG and probably then 1st overall pick cause his pure scoring skills may be better than Antman's. But his size forces him to be a PG which changes the whole value/usefulness perspective. Anthony is not a good fit with Barrett in the backcourt. Barret's game is not a spot up shooter game. That's what Cole Anthony would work well with, paired with a strong shooting SG on a team where he can just focus on attacking and scoring. Similar to what Derrick Rose had in his early days in Chicago and Westbrook had in OKC after KD left (and Cole Anthony is not near as talented as either MVP Rose or Westbrook). That's the type of team Cole Anthony needs. That is neither the Knicks now, nor what appears to be their team building vision going forward.

[RHODEY]

Yeah I know, this kid has an annoying voice....but hey its slow...

Watch on YouTube

I agree with most everything this kid says.

He's right on with Haliburton. Trust me guys, Haliburton is NOT the type of player the Knicks need. His college performance is getting over inflated and he will NOT be able to get anywhere near what he's doing in college especially NOT on a team that has no system and mish-mosh of talent. Fans will use his college play, build him up to be something he's not and then he'll get absolutely crucified when, not surprisingly, he can't replicate that type of production in the NBA. He'll be the next Ntilikina in terms of creating a divide among the fanbase (one group that will hold fast he needs to be given a shot, the other, that he's crap...all the while he's producing very little relative to his draft position while he's on the floor).

LaMelo Ball IS the guy that the Knicks need the most out of the point guards. He is built for the NBA and his skill will absolutely make it easier for the main go forward guys (Barrett, Robinson, Knox, etc.) to get easier shots on offense. He'll even be able to make Randle much more effective and efficient. Yes absolutely more so than the way popular "we need a shooter" mantra. Barrett, Robinson and Knox need someone that can create shot opportunities for them cause they can't themselves. Just shooter isn't going to create easy shots for them since they will still have to try to create shots (the shooter only acts to force defenders from focusing on them, but the reality is that none of them are innate shot creators themselves so the problem is even before the shooter comes into play).

Kilian Hayes IS the other PG that should be the choice if avaialble and Ball is not available, regardless of if anyone lists Hayes in a mock. Why? Cause Hayes is like Ball. His best skills are the skills that create easy shot opportunities for everyone else. In a lot of ways he's like a scaled down version of Ball but without the potential drama.

Deni Avdija has a lot of talent but yes, it would not be advisable to take him if Ball or Hayes is available. But yes, if all the PG's are gone, then taking basically BPA and waiting for 2021 draft for a PG would make sense. The Knicks will suck again next season. It's what it is. You don't want to reach for a position.

And yes, they have no need for Jahmi'us Ramsey. They already have Barrett (who they still seem insistent to play at SG), Trier, Dotson AND (most likely) Reggie Bullock (for at least one more season).

Also, yeah, the same way they moved up to get Iggy cause they really liked him, if you really like someone say later on in the 1st and you think he can be gone a few picks before the Clippers, try to move up. Jalen Smith, for example, a guy that is slipping under the radar, honestly would be a great fit with the Knicks. Smith has shown vast improvements in his ability to shoot the ball from freshman to sophomore seasons (not just the 3 but his FT%) which tells me he can get even better (and has the makeup to improve). He's tall, quick, aggressive, athletic, rebounds and blocks shots real well. Moves well without the ball. If the plan is to eventually move on from Randle, Smith would be a great fit. You can even slide him over to C right away to play with Randle if the game calls forces the Knicks to try and spread the floor. So a trade up for a guy like Jalen Smith in the 20-25 range should be considered if they like Smith.

You can find "shooters" in free agency (see Reggie Bullock). You cannot find the type of guys that can create easy shot opportunities for his teammates like a Ball or Hayes can near as easy. You focus on shot creators. It's also easier to learn to shoot than to learn to create shots. So no, absolutely not, I would not hold Ball's lack of a 3 against him. Heck, you just need to look at his brother to see how not just a similar type PG an learn to shoot, but one that shares the same type of genes, mentality and style. Ball should absolutely be the 1st PG on the Knicks draft list. A 6'7" (potentially 6'8" when all's said and done) shotcreator that has the ball on a string and the game built for the bright lights is absolutely exactly what this team (of all teams) need especially if it's very likely that his shooting will improve (again see brother Lonzo).

And yep, like I said before, Cole Anthony has aspects of his game (toughness, leadership, fight, etc.) that are great. It's just the question about is he really more of a SG in a PG's body from my standpoint (and exceed what you expect a PG to be able to do for your team to make you better, instead of what a SG be able to do to do the same). If he was 2-3" taller he'd be a SG and probably then 1st overall pick cause his pure scoring skills may be better than Antman's. But his size forces him to be a PG which changes the whole value/usefulness perspective. Anthony is not a good fit with Barrett in the backcourt. Barret's game is not a spot up shooter game. That's what Cole Anthony would work well with, paired with a strong shooting SG on a team where he can just focus on attacking and scoring. Similar to what Derrick Rose had in his early days in Chicago and Westbrook had in OKC after KD left (and Cole Anthony is not near as talented as either MVP Rose or Westbrook). That's the type of team Cole Anthony needs. That is neither the Knicks now, nor what appears to be their team building vision going forward.

And if Ball and Hayes are gone when we pick. Who you got assuming Cole, Deny, Haliburton, Obi are still on the table? I'm inclined to go for OBI just for the excitement factor and the ability to produce from day one. Sure his defense has been called trash but I think I'd still take that over the alternatives...

We could then get a sleeper guard at 26 (Kira Lewis?) and call it a day.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Still feel like Rose will find a way to get LaMelo Ball.

But if not, should be other guys to target whereever we end up.

1. Ball
2. Hayes
3. Edwards
4. Haliburton
5. Cole

I really don’t expect us to make either of our late round picks because they’ll be used to get LaMelo. That all depends, If we stay at 6 or jump up to 3 or 4. I can expect Lamar to make enough of a stink that a deal will get done. If we fall back to 7 or 8, we’d probably need to use a Mavs pick and our later round picks to move up. I’d hope Rose would be smart enough not to use 3 first rounders to move up to get Ball but who knows.

I said it a few pages back, as much as I’d prefer Hayes or Halliburton the connection with Cole is just way too strong. The normie fan base will be clamoring for him. The wiretape say we’re looking for back court shooting. Even though Halliburton has better percentages, he’s got a funky release and can’t really shoot off the dribble. This could be overblown like the questions with Ja’s off the dribble game but Halliburton isn’t the same type of athlete. Cole doesn’t really have any of those shooting issues.

Yeah, if we go by connections then Cole might be higher up on our list. It does seem like he could be a fall back plan just from speculation. It's hard to say what Rose is thinking or what type of moves he will make. Hopefully he can put any connections aside, and do what he thinks is best. I think thats what he will do too. It could still mean Cole. I def see potential with Cole, the inefficiencys and inconsistent play is a concern. I see him as a similiar tier as Haliburton. Cole probably has the higher ceiling, but is a little more risky imo.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah I know, this kid has an annoying voice....but hey its slow...

Watch on YouTube

I agree with most everything this kid says.

He's right on with Haliburton. Trust me guys, Haliburton is NOT the type of player the Knicks need. His college performance is getting over inflated and he will NOT be able to get anywhere near what he's doing in college especially NOT on a team that has no system and mish-mosh of talent. Fans will use his college play, build him up to be something he's not and then he'll get absolutely crucified when, not surprisingly, he can't replicate that type of production in the NBA. He'll be the next Ntilikina in terms of creating a divide among the fanbase (one group that will hold fast he needs to be given a shot, the other, that he's crap...all the while he's producing very little relative to his draft position while he's on the floor).

LaMelo Ball IS the guy that the Knicks need the most out of the point guards. He is built for the NBA and his skill will absolutely make it easier for the main go forward guys (Barrett, Robinson, Knox, etc.) to get easier shots on offense. He'll even be able to make Randle much more effective and efficient. Yes absolutely more so than the way popular "we need a shooter" mantra. Barrett, Robinson and Knox need someone that can create shot opportunities for them cause they can't themselves. Just shooter isn't going to create easy shots for them since they will still have to try to create shots (the shooter only acts to force defenders from focusing on them, but the reality is that none of them are innate shot creators themselves so the problem is even before the shooter comes into play).

Kilian Hayes IS the other PG that should be the choice if avaialble and Ball is not available, regardless of if anyone lists Hayes in a mock. Why? Cause Hayes is like Ball. His best skills are the skills that create easy shot opportunities for everyone else. In a lot of ways he's like a scaled down version of Ball but without the potential drama.

Deni Avdija has a lot of talent but yes, it would not be advisable to take him if Ball or Hayes is available. But yes, if all the PG's are gone, then taking basically BPA and waiting for 2021 draft for a PG would make sense. The Knicks will suck again next season. It's what it is. You don't want to reach for a position.

And yes, they have no need for Jahmi'us Ramsey. They already have Barrett (who they still seem insistent to play at SG), Trier, Dotson AND (most likely) Reggie Bullock (for at least one more season).

Also, yeah, the same way they moved up to get Iggy cause they really liked him, if you really like someone say later on in the 1st and you think he can be gone a few picks before the Clippers, try to move up. Jalen Smith, for example, a guy that is slipping under the radar, honestly would be a great fit with the Knicks. Smith has shown vast improvements in his ability to shoot the ball from freshman to sophomore seasons (not just the 3 but his FT%) which tells me he can get even better (and has the makeup to improve). He's tall, quick, aggressive, athletic, rebounds and blocks shots real well. Moves well without the ball. If the plan is to eventually move on from Randle, Smith would be a great fit. You can even slide him over to C right away to play with Randle if the game calls forces the Knicks to try and spread the floor. So a trade up for a guy like Jalen Smith in the 20-25 range should be considered if they like Smith.

You can find "shooters" in free agency (see Reggie Bullock). You cannot find the type of guys that can create easy shot opportunities for his teammates like a Ball or Hayes can near as easy. You focus on shot creators. It's also easier to learn to shoot than to learn to create shots. So no, absolutely not, I would not hold Ball's lack of a 3 against him. Heck, you just need to look at his brother to see how not just a similar type PG an learn to shoot, but one that shares the same type of genes, mentality and style. Ball should absolutely be the 1st PG on the Knicks draft list. A 6'7" (potentially 6'8" when all's said and done) shotcreator that has the ball on a string and the game built for the bright lights is absolutely exactly what this team (of all teams) need especially if it's very likely that his shooting will improve (again see brother Lonzo).

And yep, like I said before, Cole Anthony has aspects of his game (toughness, leadership, fight, etc.) that are great. It's just the question about is he really more of a SG in a PG's body from my standpoint (and exceed what you expect a PG to be able to do for your team to make you better, instead of what a SG be able to do to do the same). If he was 2-3" taller he'd be a SG and probably then 1st overall pick cause his pure scoring skills may be better than Antman's. But his size forces him to be a PG which changes the whole value/usefulness perspective. Anthony is not a good fit with Barrett in the backcourt. Barret's game is not a spot up shooter game. That's what Cole Anthony would work well with, paired with a strong shooting SG on a team where he can just focus on attacking and scoring. Similar to what Derrick Rose had in his early days in Chicago and Westbrook had in OKC after KD left (and Cole Anthony is not near as talented as either MVP Rose or Westbrook). That's the type of team Cole Anthony needs. That is neither the Knicks now, nor what appears to be their team building vision going forward.

I def prefer Ball or Hayes too and agree 100% on them. They are the top 2 guys I want for the Knicks

And yeah, Haliburton looks like he may be more of a role player, although I would not close the book on that as sometimes there is sneaky upside. But if we end up drafting around 7 to 10 in this draft it will be tough to find a star. May not even be many stars in this draft overall. If we can find someone that can be a solid starter/player in that range that would be a win and I would take that. He does have a lot of tools that if they pan out could help us a lot (shoot, pass, play smart, solid defense, good size/athletscm). He may never be a big scorer or star, but think he will end up being a very productive all-around type player.

[mpharris36]

are you guys planning on going into the season with Ball, RJ, Randle, and Mitch starting?

I just don't see that being successful. Literally no one can shoot with that team. It wouldn't be a good look. Playmaking only works if you have proper spacing. If teams don't respect your shooting they won't allow you to get into the paint.

[Deeeez Knicks]

are you guys planning on going into the season with Ball, RJ, Randle, and Mitch starting?

I just don't see that being successful. Literally no one can shoot with that team. It wouldn't be a good look. Playmaking only works if you have proper spacing. If teams don't respect your shooting they won't allow you to get into the paint.

No matter who we draft Randle has to go, we need to add more shooters, and upgrade the roster. I would roll with a core of Ball/RJ/Mitch. Add some shooters and take it from there. Probably not gonna be good, but hope they can develop into something over time.

Even if we draft someone like Hayes, Edwards, Cole...it's a similiar situation. They aren't guaranteed great shooters and have some work to do. We most likely wont be good with them either. Granted, they project as better shooters then LaMelo, but I would not let that be the deciding factor...that can burn teams like if you pass on Ja, SGA, Fox, Mitchell if they don't project to be great shooters. Just have to take who you think is the best player. It's possible that isn't Ball either as there is some risk.

[F N 11]

RJ
Frank
Mitch

Replace Randle with a stretch 4 and a point guard who can shoot.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Still feel like Rose will find a way to get LaMelo Ball.

But if not, should be other guys to target whereever we end up.

1. Ball
2. Hayes
3. Edwards
4. Haliburton
5. Cole

I really don’t expect us to make either of our late round picks because they’ll be used to get LaMelo. That all depends, If we stay at 6 or jump up to 3 or 4. I can expect Lamar to make enough of a stink that a deal will get done. If we fall back to 7 or 8, we’d probably need to use a Mavs pick and our later round picks to move up. I’d hope Rose would be smart enough not to use 3 first rounders to move up to get Ball but who knows.

I said it a few pages back, as much as I’d prefer Hayes or Halliburton the connection with Cole is just way too strong. The normie fan base will be clamoring for him. The wiretape say we’re looking for back court shooting. Even though Halliburton has better percentages, he’s got a funky release and can’t really shoot off the dribble. This could be overblown like the questions with Ja’s off the dribble game but Halliburton isn’t the same type of athlete. Cole doesn’t really have any of those shooting issues.

Yeah, if we go by connections then Cole might be higher up on our list. It does seem like he could be a fall back plan just from speculation. It's hard to say what Rose is thinking or what type of moves he will make. Hopefully he can put any connections aside, and do what he thinks is best. I think thats what he will do too. It could still mean Cole. I def see potential with Cole, the inefficiencys and inconsistent play is a concern. I see him as a similiar tier as Haliburton. Cole probably has the higher ceiling, but is a little more risky imo.

I think Moo really nails it with his Frank comparison for Haliburton. It's been something I've also been thinking about that for a day or two as well. They both kinda give us the same thing, they can defend and play some pick and roll. They're both not guys that can be the engine of an offense. Why draft a guy that's similar to someone you've got on the roster already? I definitely agree with you that they're same tier but I still think you take a swing at the guy that you think has the higher upside.

[robillionaire]

are you guys planning on going into the season with Ball, RJ, Randle, and Mitch starting?

I just don't see that being successful. Literally no one can shoot with that team. It wouldn't be a good look. Playmaking only works if you have proper spacing. If teams don't respect your shooting they won't allow you to get into the paint.

Sounds good to me. We need to tank again

[mpharris36]

RJ
Frank
Mitch

Replace Randle with a stretch 4 and a point guard who can shoot.

Like I said if you replaced Randle with Wood and draft Hayes. I think that would be a really solid core.

Would love to get a Saddiq/Nesmith type guy with that 2nd 1st round pick to add additional shooting.

[Zenzibar]

Yeah I know, this kid has an annoying voice....but hey its slow...

Watch on YouTube

I agree with most everything this kid says.

He's right on with Haliburton. Trust me guys, Haliburton is NOT the type of player the Knicks need. His college performance is getting over inflated and he will NOT be able to get anywhere near what he's doing in college especially NOT on a team that has no system and mish-mosh of talent. Fans will use his college play, build him up to be something he's not and then he'll get absolutely crucified when, not surprisingly, he can't replicate that type of production in the NBA. He'll be the next Ntilikina in terms of creating a divide among the fanbase (one group that will hold fast he needs to be given a shot, the other, that he's crap...all the while he's producing very little relative to his draft position while he's on the floor).

LaMelo Ball IS the guy that the Knicks need the most out of the point guards. He is built for the NBA and his skill will absolutely make it easier for the main go forward guys (Barrett, Robinson, Knox, etc.) to get easier shots on offense. He'll even be able to make Randle much more effective and efficient. Yes absolutely more so than the way popular "we need a shooter" mantra. Barrett, Robinson and Knox need someone that can create shot opportunities for them cause they can't themselves. Just shooter isn't going to create easy shots for them since they will still have to try to create shots (the shooter only acts to force defenders from focusing on them, but the reality is that none of them are innate shot creators themselves so the problem is even before the shooter comes into play).

Kilian Hayes IS the other PG that should be the choice if avaialble and Ball is not available, regardless of if anyone lists Hayes in a mock. Why? Cause Hayes is like Ball. His best skills are the skills that create easy shot opportunities for everyone else. In a lot of ways he's like a scaled down version of Ball but without the potential drama.

Deni Avdija has a lot of talent but yes, it would not be advisable to take him if Ball or Hayes is available. But yes, if all the PG's are gone, then taking basically BPA and waiting for 2021 draft for a PG would make sense. The Knicks will suck again next season. It's what it is. You don't want to reach for a position.

And yes, they have no need for Jahmi'us Ramsey. They already have Barrett (who they still seem insistent to play at SG), Trier, Dotson AND (most likely) Reggie Bullock (for at least one more season).

Also, yeah, the same way they moved up to get Iggy cause they really liked him, if you really like someone say later on in the 1st and you think he can be gone a few picks before the Clippers, try to move up. Jalen Smith, for example, a guy that is slipping under the radar, honestly would be a great fit with the Knicks. Smith has shown vast improvements in his ability to shoot the ball from freshman to sophomore seasons (not just the 3 but his FT%) which tells me he can get even better (and has the makeup to improve). He's tall, quick, aggressive, athletic, rebounds and blocks shots real well. Moves well without the ball. If the plan is to eventually move on from Randle, Smith would be a great fit. You can even slide him over to C right away to play with Randle if the game calls forces the Knicks to try and spread the floor. So a trade up for a guy like Jalen Smith in the 20-25 range should be considered if they like Smith.

You can find "shooters" in free agency (see Reggie Bullock). You cannot find the type of guys that can create easy shot opportunities for his teammates like a Ball or Hayes can near as easy. You focus on shot creators. It's also easier to learn to shoot than to learn to create shots. So no, absolutely not, I would not hold Ball's lack of a 3 against him. Heck, you just need to look at his brother to see how not just a similar type PG an learn to shoot, but one that shares the same type of genes, mentality and style. Ball should absolutely be the 1st PG on the Knicks draft list. A 6'7" (potentially 6'8" when all's said and done) shotcreator that has the ball on a string and the game built for the bright lights is absolutely exactly what this team (of all teams) need especially if it's very likely that his shooting will improve (again see brother Lonzo).

And yep, like I said before, Cole Anthony has aspects of his game (toughness, leadership, fight, etc.) that are great. It's just the question about is he really more of a SG in a PG's body from my standpoint (and exceed what you expect a PG to be able to do for your team to make you better, instead of what a SG be able to do to do the same). If he was 2-3" taller he'd be a SG and probably then 1st overall pick cause his pure scoring skills may be better than Antman's. But his size forces him to be a PG which changes the whole value/usefulness perspective. Anthony is not a good fit with Barrett in the backcourt. Barret's game is not a spot up shooter game. That's what Cole Anthony would work well with, paired with a strong shooting SG on a team where he can just focus on attacking and scoring. Similar to what Derrick Rose had in his early days in Chicago and Westbrook had in OKC after KD left (and Cole Anthony is not near as talented as either MVP Rose or Westbrook). That's the type of team Cole Anthony needs. That is neither the Knicks now, nor what appears to be their team building vision going forward.

And if Ball and Hayes are gone when we pick. Who you got assuming Cole, Deny, Haliburton, Obi are still on the table? I'm inclined to go for OBI just for the excitement factor and the ability to produce from day one. Sure his defense has been called trash but I think I'd still take that over the alternatives...

We could then get a sleeper guard at 26 (Kira Lewis?) and call it a day.

If Lamelo and Hayes are gone, then I will pay to get this kid on the team and draft best player available.

[3toheadmelo]

Bumping this again. If we get 1 of these 3, I think we'll be in good shape. They have the most star potential imo.

Just hope we get a chance to draft one of Wiseman/Edwards/Lamelo

[mpharris36]

are you guys planning on going into the season with Ball, RJ, Randle, and Mitch starting?

I just don't see that being successful. Literally no one can shoot with that team. It wouldn't be a good look. Playmaking only works if you have proper spacing. If teams don't respect your shooting they won't allow you to get into the paint.

No matter who we draft Randle has to go, we need to add more shooters, and upgrade the roster. I would roll with a core of Ball/RJ/Mitch. Add some shooters and take it from there. Probably not gonna be good, but hope they can develop into something over time.

Even if we draft someone like Hayes, Edwards, Cole...it's a similiar situation. They aren't guaranteed great shooters and have some work to do. We most likely wont be good with them either. Granted, they project as better shooters then LaMelo, but I would not let that be the deciding factor...that can burn teams like if you pass on Ja, SGA, Fox, Mitchell if they don't project to be great shooters. Just have to take who you think is the best player. It's possible that isn't Ball either as there is some risk.

I think long term if the guy we draft and RJ are going to be our center pieces we need one with a translatable shot. The NBA is so much about shooting it would really concern me if we have our two best young players along with Mitch with suspect to zero shooting.

Hayes projects as a much better fit next to RJ longterm IMO.

Also we need to be realistic about where we pick as well. We got nearly a 60% at picking 6,7, and 8.

So we are probably going to be in Hayes, Haliburton, Okoro range.

More so then LaMelo, Edwards, Deni range.

[mpharris36]

Bumping this again. If we get 1 of these 3, I think we'll be in good shape. They have the most star potential imo.

Just hope we get a chance to draft one of Wiseman/Edwards/Lamelo

the odds aren't in favor going that high. Better have a backup plan.

[sol537]

#1) Sign Jerami Grant
#2) Sign FVV
#3) Draft BPA PG to be groomed off the bench for 1-2 seasons
#4) Dump Randle for peanuts

We'd get into the playoffs with that young and exciting (and well fitting!) core.