OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

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[robillionaire]

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious

One is perhaps the greatest liar of all time, the other isn't. Is this really where we're at?

biden in the primary said he got arrested on the streets of soweto trying to see nelson mandela, rated pants on fire by politifact, give him some time he'll come up with a few whoppers too. still not on trump's level though

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious

Here's how I would debate Trump.

Biden: You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you won't show us your taxes, so we would know that you're not the money launderer and financial criminal that that the Deutsche Bank whistle-blowers, not to mention your former lawyer, Michael Cohen, say you are. It's four years - you can't still be being audited. Show us all your taxes - or we will be forced to conclude that you are indeed a criminal, and thus anything but a "law and order" president.

You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you refuse agree to submit DNA evidence to E. Jean Carroll to disprove her claim that you're the man who raped her, and whose semen is on her coat, from 20 years ago. If you were innocent, why wouldn't you gladly submit that evidence? If you were innocent, what could you possibly have to hide?

And I would take it further from there. Trump would likely lose his cool, explode - and maybe even walk off the stage. If there were no debates after that...hey, who needs them.

[HarthorneWingo]

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious

One is perhaps the greatest liar of all time, the other isn't. Is this really where we're at?

biden in the primary said he got arrested on the streets of soweto trying to see nelson mandela, rated pants on fire by politifact, give him some time he'll come up with a few whoppers too. still not on trump's level though

Oh riiiiiiiiight. Thanks for reminding me and GONYK.

[robillionaire]

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious

Here's how I would debate Trump.

Biden: You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you won't show us your taxes, so we would know that you're not the money launderer and financial criminal that that the Deutsche Bank whistle-blowers, not to mention your former lawyer, Michael Cohen, say you are. It's four years - you can't still be being audited. Show us all your taxes - or we will be forced to conclude that you are indeed a criminal, and thus anything but a "law and order" president.

You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you refuse agree to submit DNA evidence to E. Jean Carroll to disprove her claim that you're the man who raped her, and whose semen is on her coat, from 20 years ago. If you were innocent, why wouldn't you gladly submit that evidence? If you were innocent, what could you possibly have to hide?

And I would take it further from there. Trump would likely lose his cool, explode - and maybe even walk off the stage. If there were no debates after that...hey, who needs them.

those are good points but when they say "law and order" no matter which party it is they don't really mean following laws, certainly not for themselves, it's actually just a dog whistle coded language that they will uphold white supremacy, and he's followed through on that, so his base likely won't care about his personal criminal actions

[GONYK]

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The meme that Trump is more cogent than Biden or would win a debate hands down is very dubious

Here's how I would debate Trump.

Biden: You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you won't show us your taxes, so we would know that you're not the money launderer and financial criminal that that the Deutsche Bank whistle-blowers, not to mention your former lawyer, Michael Cohen, say you are. It's four years - you can't still be being audited. Show us all your taxes - or we will be forced to conclude that you are indeed a criminal, and thus anything but a "law and order" president.

You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you refuse agree to submit DNA evidence to E. Jean Carroll to disprove her claim that you're the man who raped her, and whose semen is on her coat, from 20 years ago. If you were innocent, why wouldn't you gladly submit that evidence? If you were innocent, what could you possibly have to hide?

And I would take it further from there. Trump would likely lose his cool, explode - and maybe even walk off the stage. If there were no debates after that...hey, who needs them.

those are good points but when they say "law and order" no matter which party it is they don't really mean following laws, certainly not for themselves, it's actually just a dog whistle coded language that they will uphold white supremacy, and he's followed through on that, so his base likely won't care about his personal criminal actions

Yes, as Atwater explained, abstract concepts like "law and order" are dog whistles

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That being said, that line of attack wouldn't be for Trump's base. Those people are lost, electorally speaking (or literally dead from his mismanagement of Covid). It would be for everyone else.

[robillionaire]

Here's how I would debate Trump.

Biden: You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you won't show us your taxes, so we would know that you're not the money launderer and financial criminal that that the Deutsche Bank whistle-blowers, not to mention your former lawyer, Michael Cohen, say you are. It's four years - you can't still be being audited. Show us all your taxes - or we will be forced to conclude that you are indeed a criminal, and thus anything but a "law and order" president.

You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you refuse agree to submit DNA evidence to E. Jean Carroll to disprove her claim that you're the man who raped her, and whose semen is on her coat, from 20 years ago. If you were innocent, why wouldn't you gladly submit that evidence? If you were innocent, what could you possibly have to hide?

And I would take it further from there. Trump would likely lose his cool, explode - and maybe even walk off the stage. If there were no debates after that...hey, who needs them.

those are good points but when they say "law and order" no matter which party it is they don't really mean following laws, certainly not for themselves, it's actually just a dog whistle coded language that they will uphold white supremacy, and he's followed through on that, so his base likely won't care about his personal criminal actions

Yes, as Atwater explained, abstract concepts like "law and order" are dog whistles

Watch on YouTube

That being said, that line of attack wouldn't be for Trump's base. Those people are lost, electorally speaking (or literally dead from his mismanagement of Covid). It would be for everyone else.

Well I hope that's not the case because in order for him to lose some people who switched to him in 2016 are going to have to change their minds again

[GONYK]

those are good points but when they say "law and order" no matter which party it is they don't really mean following laws, certainly not for themselves, it's actually just a dog whistle coded language that they will uphold white supremacy, and he's followed through on that, so his base likely won't care about his personal criminal actions

Yes, as Atwater explained, abstract concepts like "law and order" are dog whistles

Watch on YouTube

That being said, that line of attack wouldn't be for Trump's base. Those people are lost, electorally speaking (or literally dead from his mismanagement of Covid). It would be for everyone else.

Well I hope that's not the case because in order for him to lose some people who switched to him in 2016 are going to have to change their minds again

That's not his base though. That's people who held their nose and voted for him, for any number of reasons.

His ardent base is only ~35%

[Clyde_Style]

Here's how I would debate Trump.

Biden: You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you won't show us your taxes, so we would know that you're not the money launderer and financial criminal that that the Deutsche Bank whistle-blowers, not to mention your former lawyer, Michael Cohen, say you are. It's four years - you can't still be being audited. Show us all your taxes - or we will be forced to conclude that you are indeed a criminal, and thus anything but a "law and order" president.

You claim that you're a "law and order" president. But you refuse agree to submit DNA evidence to E. Jean Carroll to disprove her claim that you're the man who raped her, and whose semen is on her coat, from 20 years ago. If you were innocent, why wouldn't you gladly submit that evidence? If you were innocent, what could you possibly have to hide?

And I would take it further from there. Trump would likely lose his cool, explode - and maybe even walk off the stage. If there were no debates after that...hey, who needs them.

those are good points but when they say "law and order" no matter which party it is they don't really mean following laws, certainly not for themselves, it's actually just a dog whistle coded language that they will uphold white supremacy, and he's followed through on that, so his base likely won't care about his personal criminal actions

Yes, as Atwater explained, abstract concepts like "law and order" are dog whistles

Watch on YouTube

That being said, that line of attack wouldn't be for Trump's base. Those people are lost, electorally speaking (or literally dead from his mismanagement of Covid). It would be for everyone else.

Here's the reasoning I'd use if I were debating Trump:

You like to call yourself the law and order president. You demonstrated your grasp of maintaining order by tear gassing peaceful demonstrators outside the WH gates just so you could cross the street and hold up a prop bible for a photo opportunity.

Perhaps if you had ever bothered to read that bible Mr. President you would take to heart Jesus' Sermon on the Mount when he declared the Golden Rule of Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If we are going to call America a nation governed by laws then the means used to enforce those laws must be exercised fairly and wisely. And to govern as the president of the United States, that leader must personally demonstrate they too respect the laws of the lands.

We shouldn't need Supreme Court rulings against a sitting president to affirm the principle that no one is above the law, but that is exactly what happened and now you have to turn over your tax returns to the district attorney of Manhattan for the grand jury that is preparing to indict you for one or multiple crimes.

That is the rule of law in action. In your case, Donald Trump, the legal system is demonstrating that you are the one that needs to be educated on matters of law and on how to keep order. As president, I will make it 100% clear that no man is above the law because a president is a servant of the people.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[HarthorneWingo]

Yes, as Atwater explained, abstract concepts like "law and order" are dog whistles

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That being said, that line of attack wouldn't be for Trump's base. Those people are lost, electorally speaking (or literally dead from his mismanagement of Covid). It would be for everyone else.

Well I hope that's not the case because in order for him to lose some people who switched to him in 2016 are going to have to change their minds again

That's not his base though. That's people who held their nose and voted for him, for any number of reasons.

Right. After 8 years of Obama/Biden. That’s who they held their nose for.

His ardent base is only ~35%

[GONYK]

Joe Biden, the candidate, will never be for M4A. There is no political reason to.

Joe Biden, the President 3 years from now? Maybe.

[Phish Tank]

Joe Biden, the candidate, will never be for M4A. There is no political reason to.

Joe Biden, the President 3 years from now? Maybe.

Reemphasizing the 2nd sentence.

[Clyde_Style]

Joe Biden, the candidate, will never be for M4A. There is no political reason to.

Joe Biden, the President 3 years from now? Maybe.

In a race to see who is the first one to have a stroke, heart attack or just be sent to the glue factory due to dementia, I'd put big money on Trump winning that competition. The guy looks horrific. It must be getting more and more difficult for the WH make-up team to apply orange greasepaint to the jowly, diseased pumpkin head of that clown.

[Clyde_Style]

Joe Biden builds 5-point lead over Donald Trump in red Texas as some voters sour on handling of virus

Amid rollbacks of the state’s COVID-19 reopenings, Gov. Greg Abbott has also lost some luster. And in the past seven days, 82% of Texans wore a mask, a new DMN/UT-Tyler poll finds

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/07/12/joe-biden-builds-lead-over-donald-trump-in-reliably-red-texas-as-voters-sour-on-handling-of-virus/

This is fairly extraordinary. Texas is officially a swing state now. Praying Biden takes every swing state and the Dem ticket crushes the GOP.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Joe Biden, the candidate, will never be for M4A. There is no political reason to.

Joe Biden, the President 3 years from now? Maybe.

In a race to see who is the first one to have a stroke, heart attack or just be sent to the glue factory due to dementia, I'd put big money on Trump winning that competition. The guy looks horrific. It must be getting more and more difficult for the WH make-up team to apply orange greasepaint to the jowly, diseased pumpkin head of that clown.

Biden is a nursing home candidate himself. I would bet on Biden.

[Clyde_Style]

Joe Biden, the candidate, will never be for M4A. There is no political reason to.

Joe Biden, the President 3 years from now? Maybe.

In a race to see who is the first one to have a stroke, heart attack or just be sent to the glue factory due to dementia, I'd put big money on Trump winning that competition. The guy looks horrific. It must be getting more and more difficult for the WH make-up team to apply orange greasepaint to the jowly, diseased pumpkin head of that clown.

Biden is a nursing home candidate himself. I would bet on Biden.

Trump is morbidly obese and growing before our eyes, wears a girdle to hold in his gut and support his back, was rushed to the hospital under mysterious circumstances last Fall and has been slurring his words ever since. He can't walk down a slight incline without taking baby steps or drink a glass of water with one arm just like a stroke victim.

Biden has given half hour long public speeches recently that were coherent and without a script. Trump goes to a rally in Tulsa and spends twenty minutes of that time babbling about being able to walk and drink a glass of water without once addressing the covid crisis. Biden's mind is still in the game. Trump's mind never was in the game and it is receding even further rapidly.

Biden was recently shown jogging and looked more than capable at it. Trump's exercise is driving a golf cart which he can just barely get in and out of. Seen Trump walk up and down the stairs to Air Force One lately? Moves like a wounded bigfoot.

What is the basis for you betting on Biden being incapacitated sooner?

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[Jalen Bluntson]

In a race to see who is the first one to have a stroke, heart attack or just be sent to the glue factory due to dementia, I'd put big money on Trump winning that competition. The guy looks horrific. It must be getting more and more difficult for the WH make-up team to apply orange greasepaint to the jowly, diseased pumpkin head of that clown.

Biden is a nursing home candidate himself. I would bet on Biden.

Trump is morbidly obese and growing before our eyes, wears a girdle to hold in his gut and support his back, was rushed to the hospital under mysterious circumstances last Fall and has been slurring his words ever since. He can't walk down a slight incline without taking baby steps or drink a glass of water with one arm just like a stroke victim.

Biden has given half hour long public speeches recently that were coherent and without a script. Trump goes to a rally in Tulsa and spends twenty minutes of that time babbling about being able to walk and drink a glass of water without once addressing the covid crisis. Biden's mind is still in the game. Trump's mind never was in the game and it is receding even further rapidly.

What is the basis for you betting on Biden being incapacitated sooner?

Biden was stammering and forgetting numbers and dates quite a bit. Blurting out "get off my lawn" type comments. Then he was out of the public eye for a while. I haven't seen him recently though.

I didn't know about Trump and hospital visit. He's a stuttering prick too. A possible stroke could explain a few things. I can't stand him either way but...Biden wasn't looking any better for a while there.

[Clyde_Style]

Biden is a nursing home candidate himself. I would bet on Biden.

Trump is morbidly obese and growing before our eyes, wears a girdle to hold in his gut and support his back, was rushed to the hospital under mysterious circumstances last Fall and has been slurring his words ever since. He can't walk down a slight incline without taking baby steps or drink a glass of water with one arm just like a stroke victim.

Biden has given half hour long public speeches recently that were coherent and without a script. Trump goes to a rally in Tulsa and spends twenty minutes of that time babbling about being able to walk and drink a glass of water without once addressing the covid crisis. Biden's mind is still in the game. Trump's mind never was in the game and it is receding even further rapidly.

What is the basis for you betting on Biden being incapacitated sooner?

Biden was stammering and forgetting numbers and dates quite a bit. Blurting out "get off my lawn" type comments. Then he was out of the public eye for a while. I haven't seen him recently though.

I didn't know about Trump and hospital visit. He's a stuttering prick too. A possible stroke could explain a few things. I can't stand him either way but...Biden wasn't looking any better for a while there.

I have watched both of them more than enough to say the current version of Biden is massively more functional on both a physical and cognitive level than Trump.

Biden's mental processes always had a glitch that has put him on the blooper reel and there is no denying that. But that has nothing to do with his age. He's legendary for sometimes blurting out odd things. It is a lifelong bug in his operating system, not a sign of decline.

Biden is pretty much the same guy, just a little slower. Watch Pelosi. She's 80. She's still sharp as a tack, but at their age the verbal functions can be get impeded to some degree. Both her and Joe have marbles in their mouths sometimes that sounds like older people wearing dentures. Her delivery has slowed down a bit, but her intellect has not. She's still on point.

You've been pitched Biden's blooper reel and been sold the notion that he is close to being a vegetable. I'm not attacking you when I say it is patently false and ridiculous since I merely think you've been misinformed by people with bad intentions towards Biden.

He is going to be a one-term president and he is sane enough and wise enough to understand that. I think that speaks to his intelligence and desire to serve and then step aside. A person who was deficient mentally would not be able to ascertain the situation that clearly.

Trump, however, is mentally ill. His niece has a pH.D in Psychology and just released her book on her uncle. She knows what she speaks of when she says the man is afflicted by a wide range of mental problems.

So I have to ask:

Why this obsession with Biden's age when not only is Trump of a similar age and vastly more unhealthy when clearly it is only Trump who is afflicted with severe psychological issues?

Why is this red herring about Biden's cognitive decline being used to avoid the issue of Trump's far more serious lifelong cognitive dysfunctions that are truly destructive whereas Biden's lifelong cognitive issues are largely benign?

Do you not see the gross disparity between those two concerns?