2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3

[Spree2Houston]

we're not getting embiid and we may not get donovan either. but we aint gonna be a contender by trading multiple young players/picks for bench help. so what is the point ?

miami got terry but this is it for them now. they don't have enough picks to trade for any stars now (they barely did before). if this is not enough they're kind of screwed. worrying about this year is the short view. we're not winning it all this year with any rumored guy we could get. the knicks need to continue to think long term. if they can get some help cheap that's fine. otherwise it's not worth it.

I think the Knicks’ mindset is to flip Fournier, Grimes and some protected pick(s) for a high end starter. Then in the off-season, use our unprotected picks and swaps for a star. Randle leaving CAA is no coincidence. RJ left CAA last year and he got traded away this year. Randle, Mitch and their unprotected picks is the package they’ll try to use to get a star. I think it’s going to be Embiid but I could be wrong. It could be another guy. But this off-season were going to make the big trade.

[mpharris36]

we're not getting embiid and we may not get donovan either. but we aint gonna be a contender by trading multiple young players/picks for bench help. so what is the point ?

miami got terry but this is it for them now. they don't have enough picks to trade for any stars now (they barely did before). if this is not enough they're kind of screwed. worrying about this year is the short view. we're not winning it all this year with any rumored guy we could get. the knicks need to continue to think long term. if they can get some help cheap that's fine. otherwise it's not worth it.

nah.. they can’t really afford to think long term. i prefer they try their best to go hard after a chip each year while we have brunson in his prime years

but that's the point. nothing they can do will make them able to go after a chip right now. they're not that close that if we got terry rozier instead it would shift the balance of power.

you think we are that far off from maybe competing for a eastern conference championship? I mean we already have the #1 DEF. Lets say we get Mitch back up an running before the playoffs...that will only improve our defense even more...who do you really fear? BOS probably is the best team but we can beat Philly in a series...MIL with Doc coaching is winnable IMO. Giannis is a handful but we have OG now...that could change things.

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I mean I am not suggesting trade from our "top tier" picks...but we can move a protected pick or two or something like that and not really change our package for a star anyway as long as you keep the 2026-2028-2030 and pick swaps in between...that is ultimately where our trade value lies.

The Dallas pick this year is looking decent...top 20ish...MIL pick is ok too since its only top 4 protected....the Washington and DET picks aren't going to have much value in a star trade...but maybe you can get some decent bench depth.

[mpharris36]

we're not getting embiid and we may not get donovan either. but we aint gonna be a contender by trading multiple young players/picks for bench help. so what is the point ?

miami got terry but this is it for them now. they don't have enough picks to trade for any stars now (they barely did before). if this is not enough they're kind of screwed. worrying about this year is the short view. we're not winning it all this year with any rumored guy we could get. the knicks need to continue to think long term. if they can get some help cheap that's fine. otherwise it's not worth it.

I think the Knicks’ mindset is to flip Fournier, Grimes and some protected pick(s) for a high end starter. Then in the off-season, use our unprotected picks and swaps for a star. Randle leaving CAA is no coincidence. RJ left CAA last year and he got traded away this year. Randle, Mitch and their unprotected picks is the package they will try to use to get a star. I think it’s going to be Embiid but I could be wrong. It could be another guy. But this off-season we will make the big trade.

if we want it to Embiid we need to do our best to eliminate him from the playoffs...that is the best chance of him asking out.

[Spree2Houston]

we're not getting embiid and we may not get donovan either. but we aint gonna be a contender by trading multiple young players/picks for bench help. so what is the point ?

miami got terry but this is it for them now. they don't have enough picks to trade for any stars now (they barely did before). if this is not enough they're kind of screwed. worrying about this year is the short view. we're not winning it all this year with any rumored guy we could get. the knicks need to continue to think long term. if they can get some help cheap that's fine. otherwise it's not worth it.

I think the Knicks’ mindset is to flip Fournier, Grimes and some protected pick(s) for a high end starter. Then in the off-season, use our unprotected picks and swaps for a star. Randle leaving CAA is no coincidence. RJ left CAA last year and he got traded away this year. Randle, Mitch and their unprotected picks is the package they will try to use to get a star. I think it’s going to be Embiid but I could be wrong. It could be another guy. But this off-season we will make the big trade.

if we want it to Embiid we need to do our best to eliminate him from the playoffs...that is the best chance of him asking out.

If playoffs started today, Philly would play Miami in the 1st rd and they would lose. Embiid is going to ask out.

[god shammgod]

nah.. they can’t really afford to think long term. i prefer they try their best to go hard after a chip each year while we have brunson in his prime years

but that's the point. nothing they can do will make them able to go after a chip right now. they're not that close that if we got terry rozier instead it would shift the balance of power.

you think we are that far off from maybe competing for a eastern conference championship? I mean we already have the #1 DEF. Lets say we get Mitch back up an running before the playoffs...that will only improve our defense even more...who do you really fear? BOS probably is the best team but we can beat Philly in a series...MIL with Doc coaching is winnable IMO. Giannis is a handful but we have OG now...that could change things.

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I mean I am not suggesting trade from our "top tier" picks...but we can move a protected pick or two or something like that and not really change our package for a star anyway as long as you keep the 2026-2028-2030 and pick swaps in between...that is ultimately where our trade value lies.

The Dallas pick this year is looking decent...top 20ish...MIL pick is ok too since its only top 4 protected....the Washington and DET picks aren't going to have much value in a star trade...but maybe you can get some decent bench depth.

i think the most likely outcome is that we lose in the 1st round this year. we could end up in the 4/5 match-up again and beat the cavs again if that happens. i think we'd rightfully be favored. i'm not sure we would beat the heat. and that's about it. we will be the underdog vs any of the top 3 and have to win on the road if we land at 6.

and if they trade 1 protected pick for bench help that's fine. i said if it doesn't cost much they can improve the bench. but i don't see the point otherwise. i don't think it'll change much for us in the playoffs.

[mpharris36]

but that's the point. nothing they can do will make them able to go after a chip right now. they're not that close that if we got terry rozier instead it would shift the balance of power.

you think we are that far off from maybe competing for a eastern conference championship? I mean we already have the #1 DEF. Lets say we get Mitch back up an running before the playoffs...that will only improve our defense even more...who do you really fear? BOS probably is the best team but we can beat Philly in a series...MIL with Doc coaching is winnable IMO. Giannis is a handful but we have OG now...that could change things.

Watch on YouTube

I mean I am not suggesting trade from our "top tier" picks...but we can move a protected pick or two or something like that and not really change our package for a star anyway as long as you keep the 2026-2028-2030 and pick swaps in between...that is ultimately where our trade value lies.

The Dallas pick this year is looking decent...top 20ish...MIL pick is ok too since its only top 4 protected....the Washington and DET picks aren't going to have much value in a star trade...but maybe you can get some decent bench depth.

i think the most likely outcome is that we lose in the 1st round this year. we could end up in the 4/5 match-up again and beat the cavs again if that happens. i think we'd rightfully be favored. i'm not sure we would beat the heat. and that's about it. we will be the underdog vs any of the top 3 and have to win on the road if we land at 6.

and if they trade 1 protected pick for bench help that's fine. i said if it doesn't cost much they can improve the bench. but i don't see the point otherwise. i don't think it'll change much for us in the playoffs.

Why is the most likely outcome a loss in the 1st round? We were better than CLE last year and we are better then them again this year.

we can be the underdog, thats fine but that doesn't mean you just give up. If any team matches up well against Philly its us...we have legit size at center. We have the #1 defense...I'm sure no one is interested in playing us in the 1st or 2nd round if you ask me.

[god shammgod]

you think we are that far off from maybe competing for a eastern conference championship? I mean we already have the #1 DEF. Lets say we get Mitch back up an running before the playoffs...that will only improve our defense even more...who do you really fear? BOS probably is the best team but we can beat Philly in a series...MIL with Doc coaching is winnable IMO. Giannis is a handful but we have OG now...that could change things.

Watch on YouTube

I mean I am not suggesting trade from our "top tier" picks...but we can move a protected pick or two or something like that and not really change our package for a star anyway as long as you keep the 2026-2028-2030 and pick swaps in between...that is ultimately where our trade value lies.

The Dallas pick this year is looking decent...top 20ish...MIL pick is ok too since its only top 4 protected....the Washington and DET picks aren't going to have much value in a star trade...but maybe you can get some decent bench depth.

i think the most likely outcome is that we lose in the 1st round this year. we could end up in the 4/5 match-up again and beat the cavs again if that happens. i think we'd rightfully be favored. i'm not sure we would beat the heat. and that's about it. we will be the underdog vs any of the top 3 and have to win on the road if we land at 6.

and if they trade 1 protected pick for bench help that's fine. i said if it doesn't cost much they can improve the bench. but i don't see the point otherwise. i don't think it'll change much for us in the playoffs.

Why is the most likely outcome a loss in the 1st round? We were better than CLE last year and we are better then them again this year.

we can be the underdog, thats fine but that doesn't mean you just give up. If any team matches up well against Philly its us...we have legit size at center. We have the #1 defense...I'm sure no one is interested in playing us in the 1st or 2nd round if you ask me.

i just said we could beat clevaland. but that's the only matchup i see us favored in. and who said give up. i said save your assets for a trade that could put us in the actual conversation as a contender. guys in here want to trade grimes and multiple picks for murray. then what ? is that the team ? no thanks.

[mpharris36]

i think the most likely outcome is that we lose in the 1st round this year. we could end up in the 4/5 match-up again and beat the cavs again if that happens. i think we'd rightfully be favored. i'm not sure we would beat the heat. and that's about it. we will be the underdog vs any of the top 3 and have to win on the road if we land at 6.

and if they trade 1 protected pick for bench help that's fine. i said if it doesn't cost much they can improve the bench. but i don't see the point otherwise. i don't think it'll change much for us in the playoffs.

Why is the most likely outcome a loss in the 1st round? We were better than CLE last year and we are better then them again this year.

we can be the underdog, thats fine but that doesn't mean you just give up. If any team matches up well against Philly its us...we have legit size at center. We have the #1 defense...I'm sure no one is interested in playing us in the 1st or 2nd round if you ask me.

i just said we could beat clevaland. but that's the only matchup i see us favored in. and who said give up. i said save your assets for a trade that could put us in the actual conversation as a contender. guys in here want to trade grimes and multiple picks for murray. then what ? is that the team ? no thanks.

You did also say we are LIKELY to lose in the 1st round when we probably are going to finish with a 4 or 5 seed at worst. So we will avoid the top 3 seeds in the 1st round. So I would say we are LIKELY to advance in the 1st round....We are only 2 wins behind Philly for the #3 spot...I don't know how Philly is going to manage Embiid the rest of the year but we play them 3 more times this year...lets see how we fair in those games.

I never said Murray...I don't love the fit with Murray either. I guess the logic for them is get Murray this year and trade the remaining picks with Murray in the offseason for a star....but the Murray rumors seem to have died down. It seems ATL wanted IQ and then we pivoted to move IQ to TOR to secure OG which was the right move....so now ATL probably wants our later owned 1st rounder(s) which LA seems willing to give up but we wont.

I would just look to move Fournier + Grimes + a protected pick or so and upgrade the bench that way. That does not impact our pursuit for a star next offseason.

[god shammgod]

Why is the most likely outcome a loss in the 1st round? We were better than CLE last year and we are better then them again this year.

we can be the underdog, thats fine but that doesn't mean you just give up. If any team matches up well against Philly its us...we have legit size at center. We have the #1 defense...I'm sure no one is interested in playing us in the 1st or 2nd round if you ask me.

i just said we could beat clevaland. but that's the only matchup i see us favored in. and who said give up. i said save your assets for a trade that could put us in the actual conversation as a contender. guys in here want to trade grimes and multiple picks for murray. then what ? is that the team ? no thanks.

You did also say we are LIKELY to lose in the 1st round when we probably are going to finish with a 4 or 5 seed at worst. So we will avoid the top 3 seeds in the 1st round. So I would say we are LIKELY to advance in the 1st round....We are only 2 wins behind Philly for the #3 spot...I don't know how Philly is going to manage Embiid the rest of the year but we play them 3 more times this year...lets see how we fair in those games.

I never said Murray...I don't love the fit with Murray either. I guess the logic for them is get Murray this year and trade the remaining picks with Murray in the offseason for a star....but the Murray rumors seem to have died down. It seems ATL wanted IQ and then we pivoted to move IQ to TOR to secure OG which was the right move....so now ATL probably wants our later owned 1st rounder(s) which LA seems willing to give up but we wont.

I would just look to move Fournier + Grimes + a protected pick or so and upgrade the bench that way. That does not impact our pursuit for a star next offseason.

i would say there's a 50/50 chance we face miami at 4/5 and a 50/50 chance we end up 6th. so it does seem likely to me that we won't get out of the 1st round. if we get the cavs again we should win. but to think that we're both locked into 4/5 right now is premature.

i don't think we'll get 3rd. this has been a real easy part of the schedule but it won't be that easy going forward. we have denver and miami next both at home. let's see how we do before we talk about contending,

[god shammgod]

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Lastly, in talking to people around the league, while Detroit may be more willing to part with veterans Bogdanović and Alec Burks than they were a year ago, the Pistons are not actively shopping either player, per league sources. Bogdanović has a team option for next season, and Burks will hit unrestricted free agency. Detroit appears more inclined to wait until the summer to make a decision on Bogdanović, whom they really value, unless a trade for a good first-round draft pick and a good player comes along. As for Burks, the Pistons believe they have a chance to retain the bucket-getting veteran this summer. But I get the sense that two really good second-round picks, at minimum, would cause Detroit to consider a move before the deadline.

[mpharris36]

i just said we could beat clevaland. but that's the only matchup i see us favored in. and who said give up. i said save your assets for a trade that could put us in the actual conversation as a contender. guys in here want to trade grimes and multiple picks for murray. then what ? is that the team ? no thanks.

You did also say we are LIKELY to lose in the 1st round when we probably are going to finish with a 4 or 5 seed at worst. So we will avoid the top 3 seeds in the 1st round. So I would say we are LIKELY to advance in the 1st round....We are only 2 wins behind Philly for the #3 spot...I don't know how Philly is going to manage Embiid the rest of the year but we play them 3 more times this year...lets see how we fair in those games.

I never said Murray...I don't love the fit with Murray either. I guess the logic for them is get Murray this year and trade the remaining picks with Murray in the offseason for a star....but the Murray rumors seem to have died down. It seems ATL wanted IQ and then we pivoted to move IQ to TOR to secure OG which was the right move....so now ATL probably wants our later owned 1st rounder(s) which LA seems willing to give up but we wont.

I would just look to move Fournier + Grimes + a protected pick or so and upgrade the bench that way. That does not impact our pursuit for a star next offseason.

i would say there's a 50/50 chance we face miami at 4/5 and a 50/50 chance we end up 6th. so it does seem likely to me that we won't get out of the 1st round. if we get the cavs again we should win. but to think that we're both locked into 4/5 right now is premature.

i don't think we'll get 3rd. this has been a real easy part of the schedule but it won't be that easy going forward. we have denver and miami next both at home. let's see how we do before we talk about contending,

A lot will depend if Ihart plays tonight...I'm not going to kill the team for losing to Jokic without either of there centers.

[spree8]

but that's the point. nothing they can do will make them able to go after a chip right now. they're not that close that if we got terry rozier instead it would shift the balance of power.

you think we are that far off from maybe competing for a eastern conference championship? I mean we already have the #1 DEF. Lets say we get Mitch back up an running before the playoffs...that will only improve our defense even more...who do you really fear? BOS probably is the best team but we can beat Philly in a series...MIL with Doc coaching is winnable IMO. Giannis is a handful but we have OG now...that could change things.

Watch on YouTube

I mean I am not suggesting trade from our "top tier" picks...but we can move a protected pick or two or something like that and not really change our package for a star anyway as long as you keep the 2026-2028-2030 and pick swaps in between...that is ultimately where our trade value lies.

The Dallas pick this year is looking decent...top 20ish...MIL pick is ok too since its only top 4 protected....the Washington and DET picks aren't going to have much value in a star trade...but maybe you can get some decent bench depth.

i think the most likely outcome is that we lose in the 1st round this year. we could end up in the 4/5 match-up again and beat the cavs again if that happens. i think we'd rightfully be favored. i'm not sure we would beat the heat. and that's about it. we will be the underdog vs any of the top 3 and have to win on the road if we land at 6.

and if they trade 1 protected pick for bench help that's fine. i said if it doesn't cost much they can improve the bench. but i don't see the point otherwise. i don't think it'll change much for us in the playoffs.

I dunno, I think we can beat anybody any given night in the East. Especially if Mitch comes back, and we make a trade for Brogdon while keeping Grimes in hopes that he gets it together after the deadline.

Brunson | Brogdon | Deuce
Donte | Grimes
OG | Hart
Randle | Achiuwa
iHart | Mitch

At full health is legit and can wear teams out over a 7 game series. I don't think Miami can beat us now especially after losing Lowry who made huge key plays against us, and Mitch out for revenge plus the additions of OG and Donte. Yea they got Herro back and JJ, but I still think we're better. I'm confident against Philly too and the Bucks...they're falling apart as we speak. Provided we don't fuq up at the deadline, the East is ours damnit

[mpharris36]

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Lastly, in talking to people around the league, while Detroit may be more willing to part with veterans Bogdanović and Alec Burks than they were a year ago, the Pistons are not actively shopping either player, per league sources. Bogdanović has a team option for next season, and Burks will hit unrestricted free agency. Detroit appears more inclined to wait until the summer to make a decision on Bogdanović, whom they really value, unless a trade for a good first-round draft pick and a good player comes along. As for Burks, the Pistons believe they have a chance to retain the bucket-getting veteran this summer. But I get the sense that two really good second-round picks, at minimum, would cause Detroit to consider a move before the deadline.

I don't see a way Burks fits in financially...you can't trade Fournier for him (because Burks is expiring). And we don't have small contracts that add up to him. And Burks makes more than our TPE.

[god shammgod]

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Lastly, in talking to people around the league, while Detroit may be more willing to part with veterans Bogdanović and Alec Burks than they were a year ago, the Pistons are not actively shopping either player, per league sources. Bogdanović has a team option for next season, and Burks will hit unrestricted free agency. Detroit appears more inclined to wait until the summer to make a decision on Bogdanović, whom they really value, unless a trade for a good first-round draft pick and a good player comes along. As for Burks, the Pistons believe they have a chance to retain the bucket-getting veteran this summer. But I get the sense that two really good second-round picks, at minimum, would cause Detroit to consider a move before the deadline.

I don't see a way Burks fits in financially...you can't trade Fournier for him (because Burks is expiring). And we don't have small contracts that add up to him. And Burks makes more than our TPE.

can they extend burks ?

[G_K_F]

We traded way first round picks to dump the Burks contract. Trading any type of picks to get him back a year and a half later is actually pathetic.

[Wildcat]

i just said we could beat clevaland. but that's the only matchup i see us favored in. and who said give up. i said save your assets for a trade that could put us in the actual conversation as a contender. guys in here want to trade grimes and multiple picks for murray. then what ? is that the team ? no thanks.

You did also say we are LIKELY to lose in the 1st round when we probably are going to finish with a 4 or 5 seed at worst. So we will avoid the top 3 seeds in the 1st round. So I would say we are LIKELY to advance in the 1st round....We are only 2 wins behind Philly for the #3 spot...I don't know how Philly is going to manage Embiid the rest of the year but we play them 3 more times this year...lets see how we fair in those games.

I never said Murray...I don't love the fit with Murray either. I guess the logic for them is get Murray this year and trade the remaining picks with Murray in the offseason for a star....but the Murray rumors seem to have died down. It seems ATL wanted IQ and then we pivoted to move IQ to TOR to secure OG which was the right move....so now ATL probably wants our later owned 1st rounder(s) which LA seems willing to give up but we wont.

I would just look to move Fournier + Grimes + a protected pick or so and upgrade the bench that way. That does not impact our pursuit for a star next offseason.

i would say there's a 50/50 chance we face miami at 4/5 and a 50/50 chance we end up 6th. so it does seem likely to me that we won't get out of the 1st round. if we get the cavs again we should win. but to think that we're both locked into 4/5 right now is premature.

i don't think we'll get 3rd. this has been a real easy part of the schedule but it won't be that easy going forward. we have denver and miami next both at home. let's see how we do before we talk about contending,

I think we may be having a different conversation in a month. If I had to put money on it, I'd say the Knicks are a 3/4 seed. And I think the luck on the current Miami team has run out. Terry doesn't move the needle for them I think embracing the moniker of "Heat Culture" is going to blow up in their face. But hey, it's selling the merc, though.

[mpharris36]

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I don't see a way Burks fits in financially...you can't trade Fournier for him (because Burks is expiring). And we don't have small contracts that add up to him. And Burks makes more than our TPE.

can they extend burks ?

yeah but then you wouldn't be able to trade him until the middle of the season...and all accounts are they want to make a move in the offseason.

Also is Burks going to sign a 1 year extension? If you sign him for anything more he doesn't become a very sought after contract.

Brogdon financially makes way more sense. Gotta look to acquire someone with a 2 year deal or a club option for next year.

[mpharris36]

You did also say we are LIKELY to lose in the 1st round when we probably are going to finish with a 4 or 5 seed at worst. So we will avoid the top 3 seeds in the 1st round. So I would say we are LIKELY to advance in the 1st round....We are only 2 wins behind Philly for the #3 spot...I don't know how Philly is going to manage Embiid the rest of the year but we play them 3 more times this year...lets see how we fair in those games.

I never said Murray...I don't love the fit with Murray either. I guess the logic for them is get Murray this year and trade the remaining picks with Murray in the offseason for a star....but the Murray rumors seem to have died down. It seems ATL wanted IQ and then we pivoted to move IQ to TOR to secure OG which was the right move....so now ATL probably wants our later owned 1st rounder(s) which LA seems willing to give up but we wont.

I would just look to move Fournier + Grimes + a protected pick or so and upgrade the bench that way. That does not impact our pursuit for a star next offseason.

i would say there's a 50/50 chance we face miami at 4/5 and a 50/50 chance we end up 6th. so it does seem likely to me that we won't get out of the 1st round. if we get the cavs again we should win. but to think that we're both locked into 4/5 right now is premature.

i don't think we'll get 3rd. this has been a real easy part of the schedule but it won't be that easy going forward. we have denver and miami next both at home. let's see how we do before we talk about contending,

I think we may be having a different conversation in a month. If I had to put money on it, I'd say the Knicks are a 3/4 seed. And I think the luck on the current Miami team has run out. Terry doesn't move the needle for them I think embracing the moniker of "Heat Culture" is going to blow up in their face. But hey, it's selling the merc, though.

OG changes so much...are we really concerned about Jimmy Butler with OG guarding him all series...

[DOT]

i would say there's a 50/50 chance we face miami at 4/5 and a 50/50 chance we end up 6th. so it does seem likely to me that we won't get out of the 1st round. if we get the cavs again we should win. but to think that we're both locked into 4/5 right now is premature.

i don't think we'll get 3rd. this has been a real easy part of the schedule but it won't be that easy going forward. we have denver and miami next both at home. let's see how we do before we talk about contending,

I think we may be having a different conversation in a month. If I had to put money on it, I'd say the Knicks are a 3/4 seed. And I think the luck on the current Miami team has run out. Terry doesn't move the needle for them I think embracing the moniker of "Heat Culture" is going to blow up in their face. But hey, it's selling the merc, though.

OG changes so much...are we really concerned about Jimmy Butler with OG guarding him all series...

I think it's foolish to say we shouldn't be concerned about anyone even with OG.

[nyknicks8016]

We traded way first round picks to dump the Burks contract. Trading any type of picks to get him back a year and a half later is actually pathetic.

They traded a 2nd round pick to get rid of Burks and Noel..

I dont want Burks either but they did not trade away a first