Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Jeff Van Gully]

You guys acting like I made this up. Idk just telling what he told me I don't even want Winslow my first choice is Russell if he drop Super Mario mudiay then Winslow

no, we're acting like you're amazingly naive.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I would prefer Russell-Butler-Melo as the brand new big 3 legggooooo wake up Philomena

l'd max jimmy butler right out. soon as i got the "no" from gasol/aldridge.

chicago would match, and take their sweet time doing it.

We will need JimB to make an ultimatum to Bulls, more unlikely things has happened right?

sure. but those cheap asses know they have to match.

[DickGrayson]

Well Crunch Time turns out to be right, he will look like a god on here and will freely teabag anyone who doubted him.
But we have to wait until workouts, sometimes I wish the draft was this week. Not sure if I can wait.

[Besart19]

I don't get why people laugh and make fun of other people's draft boards..like they know who is going to be best in order already...

If someone had kawhi Leonard at the top of their board a couple years ago, everyone would have been RIPPING that dude for being an idiot and calling him a role player blah blah blah.

It's mostly out of insecurity, but it's okay that happens when everyone post their draft board. People tend to be more emotional and lash out more but that's all apart of the draft season. This isn't nothing new.

2011 Draft was tough.

Chandler Parson picked 38th
Jimmy Butler picked 30th
Kawhi Leonard picked 15th
Nikola Vučević picked 16th
Kenneth Faried picked 22nd
Nikola Mirotic picked 23rd
Reggie Jackson picked 24th



can 2015 be like 2011? I'm not sure. 2011 was really deep. Top 5 wasn't glorious, but the mid 1st round is where you wanted to be.

I also had Bismack Biyombo on my top 3 draft board and thought he would been a Ben Wallace clone by now, seems like the EBT version of him for the Hornets. It's okay to be wrong. I think people just struggle in taking it being told they're wrong and they cry out, call you a dick, douchebag, tell you have to have a nice day or report you to the mods. Some people need to grow up or go outside and get some fresh air. Weather is beautiful right now in NYC.

we got Shump instead

[TrueWarrior]

Seriously? If you count Wade and Harden as wings then Russell is too. Hes the same size as them and plays the same combo guard role. There's been plenty of better stretches than Justise's. The guy barely scored double figures, if even that, half the time down the stretch. Great all around games but come on now.

I actually like Winslow a lot and take him 5th, but you're really stretching his offense while downplaying Mudiay's. Offense will always be favored in this league as far as players to build around go. Which is why guys like Melo, Curry, and Harden are max players. Justise has nice offensive upside and nobody says he cant improve, but Mudiay has him beat everywhere on offense right now, unless you count Justise's wide open spot up threes to say he's a better shooter.

Ill keep sayin it: Give me Rose, Curry, Manu, Harden, and Westbrook over Jimmy B, Draymond, Kawhi, Ariza, and Ibaka.

he's not as good as harden, wade or durant.... i just said those were the only guys that were better as a freshman....

russell is in the discussion also... but he has his own issues.... which i'm not gonna get into... i'll just say it's close between winslow and him...

the china stats are hard to get anything meaningful out of but.. mudiay's numbers are not appreciably any better than will bynum's... for better or worse.... the brightside is that will bynum was in most years a decent bench pg in the nba... the downside is that it's will bynum... and if will bynum is shooting better inside than mudiay.. alarm bells should be ringing...

IDK why you're even trying to put Justise close to Wade, Harden, and Durant though when there have been so many wings who have had better, just as good, or almost as good freshman years than him.

Over the last 10 years we've had Russell, SJohnson, Wiggins, Jabari, AGordon, McLemore, Bennett, MKG, Beal, Barnes, Harkless, PJones, DkWilliams, Burks, Kawhi, Tobias, Wes Johnson, Aminu, PGeorge, Harden, Tyreke, Derozan, JaJohnson, Beasley, Mayo, EGordon, Rush, Durant, JGreen, Thad, Tyrus, Gay, RBrewer, and a few more, who put up better or comparable numbers. The defense is what sets Justise apart from some of them, but some of them were also very good defenders, some were much better offensively, and most didn't play with a Jahlil Okafor. Justise had a very good rookie year but nothing as nearly out of the ordinary as you're saying. 12.5 pts, 6.5 rebs, 2 asts with great D. All of the guys I listed had their good stretches too.

It's hard to judge young guys playing overseas. Brandon Jennings was absolutely horrid and then put up a 50 pt game in the second week of his rookie year, which made this board EXPLODE since we passed on him for Hill. Oh lord I can remember Pharm now . Who knows how Winslow would have done in Mudiay's place, but I imagine Mudiay with Okafor would have been pretty good. This is what scouts get paid to assess, but to my eyes Mudiay is clearly a more skilled offensive player with nice defensive upside, and held his own as an 18 year old over there.

With all that said I actually think we have Winslow higher than Mudiay, because as the Knicks we always have to get cute in the draft and never get who the fans want. There's too much talk about the triangle, Mudiay "not fitting it", Winslow chilling with Melo, and all this junk. I think Winslow can be a great player, but he has much longer to go offensively than Mudiay. Most favor offense for guards/wings this high in the draft unless we're talking about a completely putrid defensive player or a dominant defensive 7 footer, which Winslow is not. If Mudiay didn't have defensive potential himself I'd lean towards Winslow, but that's not the case and again they're almost the same size.

There's no more ways I can say that I just think Mudiay is a better overall prospect. You disagree. That's cool.

[Juggynaut]

Winslow is Jimmy Butler which isn't bad. I wouldn't mind it, but I really hope we trade down if we aren't picking Mudiay.

[sims]

I wouldn't believe any of this schit. Trust me I have a way closer connection to Phil Jackson than this guy does and trust me when I say they're new age hippies who don't follow basketball and could give a fuq about the upcoming NBA draft.

can you elaborate? who is "they"?

[god4gives]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulSWLjUeOQ[/youtube]

C--- Koufos / Ajinca / Bachynski
PF---- Greg Monroe / Kaminsky / JSmith or Bargnani for vet minimum
SF---- Melo / Thomas / Early
SG---- Wes Matthews / Hardaway / Thanasis
PG---- Galloway / Calderon / Jerian Grant

[El Poochio]

l'd max jimmy butler right out. soon as i got the "no" from gasol/aldridge.

chicago would match, and take their sweet time doing it.

We will need JimB to make an ultimatum to Bulls, more unlikely things has happened right?

sure. but those cheap asses know they have to match.

Even Linsanity changed teams as a restricted fa, who is Jimmy Butler?

[2010]

out of all the names i've seen associated I think Kidd might be the closest. its gonna be hard to find everything you're looking for to match the comp completely.

Yeah man. I'm just throwing it out there cuz I feel like some of us are underrated the package of physical attributes Mudiay brings to the table. People keep throwing out he doesn't have Wall/Westbrook/Rose explosiveness, but those dudes don't have his height, strength, power game, and ability to post up. Usually the explosive types are very wiry and lean (Westbrook, Wall, Rose) with not as much potential as a post option. Usually guys that are Mudiay's height and bigger (Magic, Kidd, Penny, young Shaun Livingston) are great post options but lack the above the rim athleticism and dexterity Mudiay possesses. Then when you throw in his understanding of pace, changing speeds, and poise and I firmly believe he is a unique set of physical tools. We're basically looking at a bigger, stronger, more athletic Stephon Marbury with better mental makeup and a more willing passer. If he gets his shot together this kid may end up being right there with Towns in franchise changing upside.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I was going to make a thread on this after we got the 4th pick because I was so sick of people bitching that we slipped to 4th but people got over it quickly and started realizing Mudiay is the real deal. I have never seen that combo of speed, quickness, size and power in a PG. The kid is currently 203 pounds and 4% body fat, he's built like a rock. and he's only going to get stronger. he probably fills out to 210-215 when he hits his prime.

Preach my dude! This is why I am adamant about Phil not trading our pick or reaching for a lower ceiling guy (WCS, Winslow) or trading down for one of the Euros (Porzingis, Hezonja). We really just need to sit tight and draft whoever falls to us out of Mudiay/Russell. But the more I think on it and evaluate Mudiay's skillset and physical tools, the more I begin to realize he has the package that can redefine the PG position.

[2010]

Interesting that Minny fans are only locked in a (heated) debate between Towns and Okafor wherein we would have been fully engaged with the KAT, OK4 and Russell discussions if we had won the top pick. Flip though has said otherwise and will be looking at all options. Even some Minny fans have said that Flip does not care and could go against the norm.

At present the TWolves depth chart look like this heading into the draft and offseason and armed with very little cap space:

C - Pekovic / Dieng / Hamilton
PF - KG / Bennett / Payne / Hummel
SF - Wiggins / Shabazz/ Budginger
SG - KMart
PG - Rubio / LaVine

They have very little guards and PF is their deepest yet weakest position. Flip will get bashed if he trades down to get Porzingis but doing this and engaging in a trade to get backcourt depth might be the smart move to make.

Assuming a theoretical trade with us:

Minny out: #1 pick, Bennett ($6mil), Budginger ($5mil expiring)
Knicks out: #4 pick, Calderon, THJr, Thanasis + Sweeteners

Minny would be freeing up about $4mil in cap space with this trade as well as filling up their backcourt with 'serviceable' players. The key here is the sweetners and this is why I am glad I am not the GM. I would have folded and probably give up more than necessary knowing teams below us in the lottery could put up better offers as well as with me being a huge believer in what KAT could do with us especially in our system. In the end though everything hinges on how high Flip is with Porzingis or any other prospect compared to Towns/Okafor

Brah, you're buggin. Flip isn't passing up the highest potential guy in the draft in Towns for a long-term project in Porzingis + Knicks trash (Calderon/Hardaway). It's not happening bro. Just fact the reality. We aren't getting Towns.

I know man, that's why I have been busy hyping myself up for Mudiay and even getting open-minded with DickGrayson's pitch for Winslow.

Thank you for bringing me back to reality though.

No doubt fam. If we get Towns by some miracle, I'll tip my hat to Phil but I'm not counting on it. Now as for Dick Grayson and this Winslow ordeal...lets just say that's one of the few things that he and I disagree on.

[El Poochio]

Winslow is Jimmy Butler which isn't bad. I wouldn't mind it, but I really hope we trade down if we aren't picking Mudiay.

And1-ing your posts feels like smacking that ass. And I didnt even wanna do that.

[beasonu]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

[DaGawd]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

[beasonu]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulSWLjUeOQ[/youtube]

C--- Koufos / Ajinca / Bachynski
PF---- Greg Monroe / Kaminsky / JSmith
SF---- Melo / Thomas / Early
SG---- Wes Matthews / Hardaway / Thanasis
PG---- Galloway / Calderon / Jerian Grant

Koufos as the starting center over Ajinca.
You want Kaminsky.
You want Monroe.
You want jason Smith back.


Im dead lol.

[beasonu]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

When Phil drafts one of the non four we will lol.

[aq_ua]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulSWLjUeOQ[/youtube]

C--- Koufos / Ajinca / Bachynski
PF---- Greg Monroe / Kaminsky / JSmith
SF---- Melo / Thomas / Early
SG---- Wes Matthews / Hardaway / Thanasis
PG---- Galloway / Calderon / Jerian Grant

Reminds me of Channing Frye out there.

[ibraheim718]

I wouldn't believe any of this schit. Trust me I have a way closer connection to Phil Jackson than this guy does and trust me when I say they're new age hippies who don't follow basketball and could give a fuq about the upcoming NBA draft.

can you elaborate? who is "they"?

My girlfriend of 14 years grew up with his niece.

[ibraheim718]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

The Magic angle.. that was my angle.

[Marty McFly]

Not good..



F*** off Magic.

Cool. Then we get Okafor. We can't lose

I'm really dreading the day when the hype goes into overdrive, cause it's going to happen.